Battery Info & Safety Sticky

[burns_erin]

A telescopic mod is more likely to have stacked batteries placed in it then most other mods. That is one reason why people buy them.

Single battery mods have not exploded but most mods do have hot springs. Like I said...I had a P+ hot spring collapse on me. I also had a Galileo Telescopic mod that I had a collapsed hot spring on. Grimm Green just had a shorted vivi nova take out two batteries.

All single battery instances, user saved by safety measures.

There are no excuses, there are no "it's not likely" statements. Nothing will convince me that sealing up the battery like this, in an all mechanical mod, with no electronic safety measure, could ever be safe. It's a gamble, do you have faith that your battery and charger are working just fine? By all means...go for it.

Any argument against adding safety measures to this device, or arguing that it's safe as it's sold, are off base pandering to GotVapes and SmokTech.

Support your favorite venders, but this is not a discussion..this is not a debate, this is not an opinion, this is not safe.

Wow, just got to ask, in all seriousness, no sarcasm. Do you have a laptop. Do you sit with it plugged in and work from your lap? People take risks everyday. You are kind of being an alarmist in my opinion. This is obviously a hot button issue for you, and you feel very strongly about it obviously. But to be perfectly honest, by this point you are coming off a touch over strong and beginning to sound quite condescending. You CHOSE to be uncomfortable with this. But those of us who see where the risks are, limit them, and feel comfortable with that risk value...well honestly I think you are off base calling those of us who are comfortable panderers and saying we have no right to our opinions.

 

[me1969]

It has nothing to do about supporting a vender it has to do with you trying to state your opinion as fact and trying to sway other people from not getting it based on your opinions.

 

[Briar]

I don't know about safety police (and that may not be such a bad thing, considering that most vapers don't have a clue about safety, and don't have a clue that they don't have a clue, making it kinda difficult to know that you are supposed to learn something), but here comes the "niceness" police.

It's none of my business, in principle, but can we tone it down just a little? This discussion is getting a tad tense, and it's giving me a tension headache now. I'm a sensitive old lady, have pity on me - let's hold the sarcasm and the zealotry to a minimum. Everyone is entitled to an opinion - but this is an important general discussion (less related to the Telescope at this point than at general safety measures), and I'd hate to see it degenerate into useless nastiness.

Cheers.

 

[rdsok]

I agree with Briar... It's one thing to discuss safety concerns and what they are based on... and another to state that your opinion on those concerns is a fact...

 

[Drew_]

Seems like a hot spring in the next batch might be the way to go, worked for the galileo according to Sense. Vent holes I'm not sure about; I was actually looking at the Uranos' vent hole and it gets covered up (because you have one tube inside another) when the mod is in "compact" mode.

 

[LordDavon]

Well, I just played with how I hold it, with two size batts (18650 and 18490), and one way or another, there is no place to put the vents where your hand wouldn't get burned that I can see. That's probably true for any mod...

So might as well put them towards the bottom away from the face - in the case of the Telescope more smallish holes is probably better than larger slots, which would screw up the function.

What I've been thinking for awhile though is this: why not make the tube like a lattice, rather than a solid tube? Could even make it like a cut-out design, to look cool. And since the battery is not the prettiest thing in the world, put a black (or colored) purposefully soft and fragile sleeve on the inside.

My thought on the not the very bottom issue is IF (Big caps if) someone was trying to add a vent or plans for the next version to have one, if you put the vent where the pinkie should go and IFFFF you are playing unsafely, and IFFFF the worst should happen, well from my experience in the boon docks I can tell you pinkies are relatively easy to blow off IYSWIM.

I am not in any way suggesting that this thing is unsafe as it is, I am suggesting that by trying to make it safer, people might inadvertently make it more dangerous. (Did I make better sense that time?)

Two of my most favorite ladies in one post!

I have given it a lot of thought. With the current threading, and button venting, and the amount of space given by the bottom tube, I'm calling the ventilation sufficient for me to continue to comfortably use. I'm not sure I would want anything to change, except a little more venting from the threads. Loosening them a little helps this anyway. Since the gas would expel in different areas, it could balance the amount of gasses released, and although could still cause a burn, limit the amount of burning that would occur, while also avoiding "Rocket Mode". I do not -- nor will I ever -- recommend stacking batteries in an unregulated mod. This is no exception.

My only questions is, would the button blow out during a gas expulsion? It looks pretty solidly "in there", but I think Danno can get a good confirmation from Smok.

 

[Briar]

A telescopic mod is more likely to have stacked batteries placed in it then most other mods. That is one reason why people buy them.

Mayhaps. But that's not a recommended use of the product, and neither Smocktech nor GV can, or should, have to take into account every possible stupidity associated with their product, right? That could get out of hand real quick. It's probably a good idea to have warning on the page about stacking batts - it's getting more and more common with vendors at this point.

Grimm Green just had a shorted vivi nova take out two batteries.

Yes, I saw that review. My take on this aspect of the safety issue is this: Shorted cartos happen. In the past year I've had three. One fried an eGo on me, after which I started checking every single one before I put it on the batt.

Now, the question is: is it reasonable to ask an average consumer to purchase a meter and check the resistance of every single cartomizer? I don't believe so. We can take care of our batts until we are blue in the face, but we have no control over cartomizer defects. So, logically, imho, every battery device aimed at average user should have some kind of protection against shorts. Again, this is just my opinion, I might be wrong, but any PV I get will either have that built-in, or I will put the fuse in it.

Support your favorite venders, but this is not a discussion..this is not a debate, this is not an opinion, this is not safe.

Well, yes, it is an opinion... Everything is a gamble - that is a fact. The question for the individual user is how much of a gamble is acceptable, and making the decision based on fact.

I am, myself, obsessed with safety, but even I have to be realistic: absolute safety is only possible if we do absolutely nothing, and probably not even then.

I can only reiterate that, for my paranoid sensibilities, this PV with a fuse it it is well within my comfort level.

 

[badkolo]

i cant say the viv shorted his silver bullets, it happened twice on the same unit and nothing else, do you we know it was not his batteries, do we know it was not a defect with the ss he was using.

 

[dannoman]

Sense there is NOT tons of glue there, you exagerrate my man just as you stated above that Grimm Green stated a ViVi Nova shorted an old silver bullet he had...he DID NOT state that...he used the Novas on other PVs with no problem, he was just 'suspicious' my friend...now on the bottom firing pin if you notice there is a plastic catch for the firing pin and any over heating softens it and the firing pin drops and you do have huge vent hole.

There isn't a mod out there, taking into account anything you say that what you say doesn't also apply to it so I think this type of discussion is fine but it is hijacking this thread. We'll move any discussion of 'general' PV and battery safety discussion as soon as I get the gazillion of orders we received today from the new releases out and with that...I.....MUST...BE...offfffffffff

Hey Dan,

The bottom button has TONS of glue on the inside. There is no vending happening there. The firing pin is a tiny hole with next to no play. There is no huge vent hole.

 

[dannoman]

Thread for discussion all things batetries, chargers and battery/PV/APV/Mod safety...

 

[Ctor]

I took a good look at the spring, it doesn't look collapsable. It's glued in, so if it did collapse, which I don't think it will, the mod would be rendered useless.

In order for a collapsable (Hot Spring) to actually work, I believe it has to be in contact with the battery. This spring is not in contact with the battery. There is a plastic spacer on top of the spring. I've never seen a hot spring set up like this.

Looking closer at the mod itself, the spring is irrelevant as it's not really part of the circuit, plastic piece or not. Even if the spring were to vaporize, the plunger pin on the switch could still hold the battery in contact with the positive contact on top and complete the circuit. A fuse or some form of electronic short protection would seem to be in order. I can't comment on the venting capability though.

 

[thinkingaboutit]

Does anyone know how to force a battery failure? If there is someone with a safe area to fail a battery in one of these I would donate $10 towards the mod/battery/experiment...however you want to put it. I see stacking could be a huge risk, I just don't see a single batt being such a big thing.

 

[LordDavon]

Looking closer at the mod itself, the spring is irrelevant as it's not really part of the circuit, plastic piece or not. Even if the spring were to vaporize, the plunger pin on the switch could still hold the battery in contact with the positive contact on top and complete the circuit. A fuse or some form of electronic short protection would seem to be in order. I can't comment on the venting capability though.

You are correct, a hot spring wouldn't matter with this mod. It is my understanding that a hot spring stops the mod from having a connection, if the button sticks, or it forced continually on. With the Telescope, the bottom button makes the connection, and the sprint just holds the battery in tighter, but doesn't make the circuit connection.

What Dan is saying, is that the metal post on the button, the one that makes the connection, is triggered to disconnect/break, in the case of overheating. I haven't looked into this enough to comment on it yet, so I haven't. But, if this works, then it would be "hot spring" for this style mod.

 

[CDnerds]

Sense there is NOT tons of glue there, you exagerrate my man just as you stated above that Grimm Green stated a ViVi Nova shorted an old silver bullet he had...he DID NOT state that...he used the Novas on other PVs with no problem, he was just 'suspicious' my friend...now on the bottom firing pin if you notice there is a plastic catch for the firing pin and any over heating softens it and the firing pin drops and you do have huge vent hole.

There isn't a mod out there, taking into account anything you say that what you say doesn't also apply to it so I think this type of discussion is fine but it is hijacking this thread. We'll move any discussion of 'general' PV and battery safety discussion as soon as I get the gazillion of orders we received today from the new releases out and with that...I.....MUST...BE...offfffffffff

Looks like a whole lot of glue to me... Im just pointing out what I see..


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[badkolo]

yes, there is glue , there, holding the spring, dont see a issue with that pertaining to the mod

 

[Ctor]

You are correct, a hot spring wouldn't matter with this mod. It is my understanding that a hot spring stops the mod from having a connection, if the button sticks, or it forced continually on. With the Telescope, the bottom button makes the connection, and the sprint just holds the battery in tighter, but doesn't make the circuit connection.

What Dan is saying, is that the metal post on the button, the one that makes the connection, is triggered to disconnect/break, in the case of overheating. I haven't looked into this enough to comment on it yet, so I haven't. But, if this works, then it would be "hot spring" for this style mod.

It looks like a brass pin. and held in place by a c ring too.

I saw Sense's video. There are a few problems with his conclusions, but what it does show is that the body has at the very least extremely limited venting capability (I wouldn't go as far as airtight based on a balloon).

Somebody seems to be blowing vapor up somewhere with regard to this mod. I'm personally not interested in buying one regarless of the safety issue, but I would like to see how what appears to be very dangerous design flaws are fully exposed and handled by all parties involved. So far I'm far less than pleased with how it has been handled.

 

[CDnerds]

yes, there is glue , there, holding the spring, dont see a issue with that pertaining to the mod

Well im pointing it out because Dan is screaming at Sense saying there isnt "gobs of glue" when clearly.. there are. They also said the "bottom firing assembly is in itself a huge vent hole, making other vent holes redundant". Thats where the issue of the glue came in to begin with. Now we are hearing there is a "plastic" pin on the bottom that releases upon venting.. well people have tried to pull it out - they cant.. and it turns out its metal. So the more you scratch the worse it gets it seems.

 

[LordDavon]

It looks like a brass pin. and held in place by a c ring too.

I saw Sense's video. There are a few problems with his conclusions, but what it does show is that the body has at the very least extremely limited venting capability (I wouldn't go as far as airtight based on a balloon).

Somebody seems to be blowing vapor up somewhere with regard to this mod. I'm personally not interested in buying one regarless of the safety issue, but I would like to see how what appears to be very dangerous design flaws are fully exposed and handled by all parties involved. So far I'm far less than pleased with how it has been handled.

Just so you know, my unit was directly from Smoktech, and not GotVapes, so I can understand a little difference. Mine could be from an earlier design. They've done that too me before. I could see there being some difference due to this, but so far, I can't tell any.

Looking in mine, I can't see down far enough to tell how the pin is being held on the base, so I can't really say how it would react. Not really sure I would know, if I could see something. I do know some mod makers, and can talk with them. I've also asked Dan to do some extra testing.

As for the venting, the more the mod seems to be tightened, the less the airflow seems to be. There seems to always be some type of venting from the top, but not so sure there is always at the bottom. I need to test this more.

One thing that came to mind, is that the metal in the sleeve (the center tube holding everything together) is a very thin metal. I wonder if this would split, with the extra pressure, or how else it would react (good or bad).

Anyway, I am going to keep testing this. I haven't had much time to spend with this thing today, since I've been working so many hours, and why the review is so late.

ADD: I wonder if the cotter pin (sp?) is what would melt. If that does, would the pin itself fall right out of the mod?

 

[CDnerds]

Just so you know, my unit was directly from Smoktech, and not GotVapes, so I can understand a little difference. Mine could be from an earlier design. They've done that too me before. I could see there being some difference due to this, but so far, I can't tell any.

Looking in mine, I can't see down far enough to tell how the pin is being held on the base, so I can't really say how it would react. Not really sure I would know, if I could see something. I do know some mod makers, and can talk with them. I've also asked Dan to do some extra testing.

As for the venting, the more the mod seems to be tightened, the less the airflow seems to be. There seems to always be some type of venting from the top, but not so sure there is always at the bottom. I need to test this more.

One thing that came to mind, is that the metal in the sleeve (the center tube holding everything together) is a very thin metal. I wonder if this would split, with the extra pressure, or how else it would react (good or bad).

Anyway, I am going to keep testing this. I haven't had much time to spend with this thing today, since I've been working so many hours, and why the review is so late.

ADD: I wonder if the cotter pin (sp?) is what would melt. If that does, would the pin itself fall right out of the mod?

Your so calm... Your videos your very calm... even your typing seems calm lol.

 

[dannoman]

Because of the voiced safety concerns, whether we differ or not to what level these should be raised, I certainly respect the rationale of anyone bringing them up - it has gotten to the point of a bit of hysteria. On another venue, very distasteful and malevolent statements and ill will were expressed that quite frankly alarmed me that someone may stage something or do something to drive home a point.

So at this point I am in contact with SMOKtech (it is their weekend so I may be waiting all weekend) to see what their answer is to the concerns. In the meantime I have zeroed out the inventory. Any Telescope orders placed today will not be fulfilled and anyone who has purchased a Telescope we would like you to return and we will provide you a credit for any other product in our store equal to the amount you paid for your mod plus an additional $25.00 for the inconvenience. If you would rather have a credit card refund we will do that also and you will still be issued the store credit of $25.00 for any inconvenince and hassle in sending the item back, plus whatever shipping charges you may have incurred (I'd ask you to please do not send your unit back express mail : )

I was assured, as well as Chris, the fully threaded tube provides more than enough venting and that the firing pin where it enters the tube also provides space to vent as heat generated in a breakdown of a battery would liquify any glue that is at the base and provide a large vent hole. I was also under the impression the catch was a hard plastic but this is not what SMOKtech told me, I came to that conclusion from eyeballing it, but I was wrong.

I do not believe a balloon test entirely is an adequate simulation of what kind of venting would accur, room temperature versus the force of a thermal breakdown. But that is a moot point at this stage. Enough concern has been raised. This is probably a good thing, many people are becoming much more educated on battery safety whether some of us feel it may have been overblown a bit much.

For those of you who have purchased this item please return to:

GotVapes - Daniel
10715 Buckeye Furnace
Sugar Land, TX 77498

Once received I will issue you a store credit or credit card refund (your choice). You will also be given a $25.00 store credit for your inconvenice and to that will be added your cost of shipping the unit back.

Unless SMOKtech provides us redress in either modifying the tubes or sending us tubes that aleviate any saftey concerns we will probably have to count this as a loss and that is plenty ok. Chris and I DO care ALOT about everyone and we want you completely comfortable about making purchases at GotVapes.com.

I will keep everyone informed as to SMOKtech's response as soon as I find out.

Thanks much to everyone and to the wonderful ECF community and it is meant from my heart and I am sure Chris also.