BBC: E-cigarettes "help smokers quit"

[Tom Servo]

I still find it odd that the UK, which has a very hands-on approach to government, is very accepting of e-cigs. Yet the United States, which is generally known for being laissez-faire, is rushing to quash them.

 

[Katya]

I still find it odd that the UK, which has a very hands-on approach to government, is very accepting of e-cigs. Yet the United States, which is generally known for being laissez-faire, is rushing to quash them.

 

[Pictor]

I still find it odd that the UK, which has a very hands-on approach to government, is very accepting of e-cigs. Yet the United States, which is generally known for being laissez-faire, is rushing to quash them.

I thought that too when I first read of them being banned in parts of the US.
Plenty of time yet though! I think they're just sitting back and watching the rest of the world and the actual users of e-cigs. Remains to be seen what happens.

I could be wrong, but I do think they will interfere at some point. Call me sceptical
Seeing positive reports though may dilute any thoughts of being too restrictive - can but hope.

 

[Just Me]

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[Katya]

Happy Birthday, Just Me!

 

[zoiDman]

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Happy Birthday Just Me.

 

[Stosh]

Happy Birthday Just Me.....you have to have birthdays more often, keep the good news coming....

 

[Bobbilly]

I thought that too when I first read of them being banned in parts of the US.
Plenty of time yet though! I think they're just sitting back and watching the rest of the world and the actual users of e-cigs. Remains to be seen what happens.

I could be wrong, but I do think they will interfere at some point. Call me sceptical
Seeing positive reports though may dilute any thoughts of being too restrictive - can but hope.

From what I see they are way ahead of anyone on harm reduction. They actually are looking to have people quit smoking.

 

[rothenbj]

I can speak from experience—they write about what's handed to them from credible sources or sources who have developed a relationship with the reporter. Health news in particular is just a vehicle for various industry groups and non-profits to get their message out.

Is coffee good for heart health? The coffee industry group prewrote the story and put it in the reporters email.

Will food coloring give your child ADHD? Frequent contributor Center for Science in the Public Interest handed the news outlet a mostly completed story.

All the reporter needs to do is call a second source and boom. Done. A big reason you'll see the same names over and over again (e.g. Stan Glantz) is because they've proven themselves reliable and timely with their responses.

CASAA has proven itself ineffective at building this kind of relationship and will not be considered a resource for the media.

Okay, now you've provided a rant on what someone else is doing wrong in this fight. How about joining in and providing the expertise in how to do it better?

 

[e-pipeman]

I still find it odd that the UK, which has a very hands-on approach to government, is very accepting of e-cigs. Yet the United States, which is generally known for being laissez-faire, is rushing to quash them.

One reason might be that here in the UK we do not grow tobacco commercially.

 

[Tom Servo]

One reason might be that here in the UK we do not grow tobacco commercially.

That could very well be a factor, though we've yet to see proof of tobacco-company interference.

Most of the meddling we're seeing here appears to be driven by the pharmaceutical companies who make competing smoking-cessation products.

 

[e-pipeman]

That could very well be a factor, though we've yet to see proof of tobacco-company interference.

Most of the meddling we're seeing here appears to be driven by the pharmaceutical companies who make competing smoking-cessation products.

Interesting. Many years ago I tried a "smoking cessation wonder drug" called Zyban, prescribed for me to help smoking cessation. That didn't work - but it did spark off a severe depressive episode. Thankfully it is now banned over here. The only "smoking cessation product" that I will ever use from now on is my trusty e-cig. It works and is enjoyable to boot.

 

[Pictor]

That could very well be a factor, though we've yet to see proof of tobacco-company interference.

Most of the meddling we're seeing here appears to be driven by the pharmaceutical companies who make competing smoking-cessation products.

Our government seems to be planning on putting it in the hands of the pharmaceutical companies in 2016.

Interesting. Many years ago I tried a "smoking cessation wonder drug" called Zyban, prescribed for me to help smoking cessation. That didn't work - but it did spark off a severe depressive episode.

I remember seeing our local pharmacist years ago and asking him about Zyban ..he said not to even think about taking it. He'd had a colleague who tried it and started having seizures while taking it.

 

[sonicdsl]

That could very well be a factor, though we've yet to see proof of tobacco-company interference.

Most of the meddling we're seeing here appears to be driven by the pharmaceutical companies who make competing smoking-cessation products.

BT has been interfering in state regulations, off the top of my head, in NC & OK, encouraging passage of excise taxes (perhaps some other things as well, can't recall atm).

 

[Bobbilly]

That could very well be a factor, though we've yet to see proof of tobacco-company interference.

Most of the meddling we're seeing here appears to be driven by the pharmaceutical companies who make competing smoking-cessation products.

They are meddling. They don't care if the FDA deems. Vuse has already addressed most concerns such as tamper proof cartridges. No flavours except menthol ( great for dual using) only going to be sold at retailers. Even to see their site you have to literally apply.

They likely have started approval documents too.

"See how cooperative BT is"

 

[Tom Servo]

BT has been interfering in state regulations, off the top of my head, in NC & OK, encouraging passage of excise taxes (perhaps some other things as well, can't recall atm).

Sonic, can you point me towards any sources for that? It'll be a useful argument for me, but I'd like to have some proof.

 

[Stosh]

North Carolina to consider new e-cigarette tax

and Winston-Salem based tobacco giant Reynolds America essentially asked for it.

The tax rate would be applied by volume, at 5 cents per milliliter of the liquid used in e-cigarette cartridges; significantly less than current tax rates on traditional tobacco products.

Reynolds America, based in Winston-Salem, is the nation’s second-largest cigarette producer and has historically opposed higher state cigarette taxes.

“I promise you, you’ve never heard me or anyone in any other industry stand up and ask for their products to be taxed, but yes, ma'am, we are (asking to be taxed,)” said company Vice President David Powers.

 

[sonicdsl]

Thanks Stosh! Was at work earlier, had no time for searching.


For Oklahoma, here's the post:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-approved-sales-minors-taxes.html#post8870894

Excerpt (emphasis mine):

SB 802 is an RJ Reynolds sponsored bill that would:
- ban the sale of e-cigarettes, dissolvables and other new smokefree alternatives to youth,
- require all vapor containing e-cigarette products sold in OK to list the weight of the e-liquid in the product,
- require every e-cigarette dealer (i.e retailer) and wholesaler in OK to obtain a state tobacco wholesaler/retailer license ($250/year),
- require all vapor containing e-cigarette products (i.e. those containing e-liquid) to be stored behind the retailer's counter (requiring purchase assistance from a clerk),
- ban youth from possessing, using or purchasing e-cigarettes, with $100 fine for violators,
- impose a $.05 tax on all vapor containing e-cigarette product up to an ounce (i.e. the weight of the e-liquid), and
- preempt local governments in OK from different licensing, sales to minors bans or taxes on e-cigarettes.

 

[Bobbilly]

Thanks Stosh! Was at work earlier, had no time for searching.


For Oklahoma, here's the post:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-approved-sales-minors-taxes.html#post8870894

Excerpt (emphasis mine):

Why the heck aren't politicians being slain for getting in bed with tobacco companies? And publicly showing support for them. I don't get it.

 

[Stosh]

Why the heck aren't politicians being slain for getting in bed with tobacco companies? And publicly showing support for them. I don't get it.

It's really quite simple....(done in the voice of an old time snake-oil salesman)

"Gather round people and let Senator FullOf-It tell you how we're going to lower your taxes, free money for everybody. Now all we need to do is enact this excise tax on the evil devil induced habit of smoking (only 20% of voters smoke) and all you good folk (the 80%) will see manna from heaven. That's right I'm going to lower your taxes with no pain, no loss of government programs, quick and simple, just let the other guy pay for everything. No more potholes, no need for red-light cameras, the earth will cool, and the lion will lie down with the lamb"

"Can I have an Amen, and don't forget to vote for Senator FullOf-It"