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[Faethe]

Well I just ordered a couple cans of Odin's.

Gonna try this out. With the luck of I'm having with my atomizers, I am guessing that this won't kill them any faster (and hoping too!). Maybe making my own juice will free up some dollars that can be spent on more hardware... that'd be great (as Tony the Tiger says it).

Now to just wait for it's arrival.

The reason why I used a fine mesh metal strainer after the snu juice was ready is that I read here somewhere that coffee filters take some of the other stuff out. Like flavor. I'm not sure. I know my strainer *appears* to have got everything?

I also need to do the candle test thing to see what kind of residue I get from snu juice - like someone else started up thread.

And thank you so much for all the tobacco info and links, people! I think we all are looking for alternative where we can brew this stuff up ourselves Awesome

 

[let_there_be_vaping]

I also need to do the candle test thing to see what kind of residue I get from snu juice - like someone else started up thread.

I missed that. Mind giving a brief description of it? Hold the juice in front of a candle and observe? What? lol<< at self

 

[Faethe]

I missed that. Mind giving a brief description of it? Hold the juice in front of a candle and observe? What? lol<< at self

Lol there's a thread in here somewhere from a while ago where someone tested different liquids for residue. You put a bit of liquid on a spoon then hold the spoon over a lighter or a candle. As the liquid burns off, it can leave a residue. This is what clogs atomizers. So yeah - you can do it with anything you have.

 

[let_there_be_vaping]

Lol there's a thread in here somewhere from a while ago where someone tested different liquids for residue. You put a bit of liquid on a spoon then hold the spoon over a lighter or a candle. As the liquid burns off, it can leave a residue. This is what clogs atomizers. So yeah - you can do it with anything you have.

Oh yeah. I did see that, and promptly forgot about it, since well... I hadn't fully decided to do this.

Thanks for the reminder! It is a good thing to do.

I think I'll re-read the thread to see what other good ideas I neglected to remember, and or make a note of.

 

[duncantiv]

I don't trust my unsteady hands, so I used a small pan on the oven for my residue test. That way you maintain a uniform distance between metal and heat no matter how many times you run the test. The more variables you eliminate, the more you can trust your results, IMO.

If anybody out there knows any reason why this small change could skew the results, please speak up!

 

[let_there_be_vaping]

I don't trust my unsteady hands, so I used a small pan on the oven for my residue test. That way you maintain a uniform distance between metal and heat no matter how many times you run the test. The more variables you eliminate, the more you can trust your results, IMO.

If anybody out there knows any reason why this small change could skew the results, please speak up!

Seems like your method would yield more accurate readings from test to test due to the uniformity.

How did your tests turn out?

Just in case you might know... earlier it was mentioned that coffee filters removes too much of something, maybe flavor. I've re-read this entire thread and didn't find mention of what coffee filters removed besides the possibility of flavor. Have you read anything on this, and know what is being removed?

Thanks!

 

[duncantiv]

Let,There,Be,Vaping, here ya go...

For the second test, I took a small pot, maybe 1 quart size, and put five drops of each liquid on either side of the pan, about the same distance from the center. The homemade juice evaporated much more quickly, leaving a light residue over the entire area the 'puddle' had sat. The RY4 surprised me, though. It took a LOT longer to cook off all the liquid, and when it was all done, I was left with a deep brown "scab" that took up maybe 25% of the area the liquid initially occupied. After letting the pot cool for a bit, I ran hot water into the pot, and like the spoon, the homemade juice residue rinsed away almost completely with just water, but I had to go in with a scrubber brush to get rid of the RY4 scab. It was relatively easy to get rid of the scab, but my fingers are currently crossed that I haven't ruined my favourite Ramen pot! 8-o (Damn, just realized I should have taken some pictures of the results. Sometimes I'm SUCH a .....!)

I still need to find my camera and repeat the experiment.

Faethe's post is the first I've heard about coffee filters removing flavour. Given she's probably got more experience in this than I do, I'm inclined to trust her word. Given how much flavour I've been getting from a 24+ hour soak, though, I'm not overly worried about it. When I have a few extra bucks, I will probably go get myself a strainer though, just in case.

If you want to go back to page 11 of this thread, you should find the start of the documentation of my experiments with soaking Snus in PG. So far, all the results have looked positive.

 

[Pratch]

Truly it's a small world, Faethe.

Haven't been active as part of the FHS in a few years, but you'd know me as El B over on Fark.

Looking into the DIY fluid, so this thread has been an interesting read.

 

[Faethe]

Truly it's a small world, Faethe.

Haven't been active as part of the FHS in a few years, but you'd know me as El B over on Fark.

Looking into the DIY fluid, so this thread has been an interesting read.

Oh hey I know you I moved over to Bannination.com. A lot of fark people went there after the first design change

yeah isn't this crazy I love this stuff!

By the way people - about the leaving out the coffee filter bit - don't. Use a coffee filter. I happily almost aced my Janty atomizer because it filled up with fungee (fungee being the technical name for snu juice residue). I soaked my atomizers in Pepsi, rinsed them in a weak vinegar rinse, blew them out, all is well.

Forgive me! I tried the steel mesh but it's just not straining enough. I think someone recommended dropping the coffee filter thing because it absorbs stuff as much as it strains. Well, that's OK. If that's the case, everybody just going to have to compensate for that prior to straining it through the filter. Because if you do not, the fungee is righteous.

 

[WerkIt]

I am interested in vaping as an alternative to the various cancerous chemicals that are included in tobacco, these home extraction methods of commercial tobacco products just seem to provide a different way of getting those same nasty chemicals into the system. Am i missing something here?

Stick with Swedish snus (not Camel SNUS) if you wish to avoid the cancer causing TSNAs. Explanation with supporting documentation found here.

 

[WerkIt]

Has anyone tried this method with loose snus? I assume one could do the same with loose, provided the end result was strained through a coffee filter?

 

[duncantiv]

Stick with Swedish snus (not Camel SNUS) if you wish to avoid the cancer causing TSNAs. Explanation with supporting documentation found here.

See my questions on that other thread. I'd bring them here, but best to keep the topics seperate.

Regarding your question about loose Snus, I haven't even thought about trying them yet. The whole Snu-world is all new to me, so I've been sticking to familiar territory. (i.e. packaged Snus) Other than manufacturing standards, what's the difference between loose Snus and chewing tobacco?

By the way, I received my Swedish Camel Snus, as well as a can of Oden high nicotine stuff! Unfortunately, my last atomizer died, so I have to wait for new parts before I can start testing. I hope they taste good, the price when ordering in quantity was pretty damn sweet!

 

[WerkIt]

See my questions on that other thread. I'd bring them here, but best to keep the topics seperate.

Already answered.

what's the difference between loose Snus and chewing tobacco?

The ingredients are listed on loose snus and are usually very simple: tobacco, herbs, carbonate (to freebase the nicotine in the baccy), PG, VG, salt, there might be more than that, but not much more. US chewing tobaccos are often sweet, containing sugar or molasses. I have yet to taste a Swedish snus that was either sweet or contained molasses. I am not sure that such a product would be welcomed. It certainly wouldn't be good for one's teeth to have them soaked with sugar loaden tobaccos off and on throughout the day.

 

[Faethe]

Already answered.



The ingredients are listed on loose snus and are usually very simple: tobacco, herbs, carbonate (to freebase the nicotine in the baccy), PG, VG, salt, there might be more than that, but not much more. US chewing tobaccos are often sweet, containing sugar or molasses. I have yet to taste a Swedish snus that was either sweet or contained molasses. I am not sure that such a product would be welcomed. It certainly wouldn't be good for one's teeth to have them soaked with sugar loaden tobaccos off and on throughout the day.

Hey - are you Swedish? You seem like you know a lot about Swedish Snus We need some advice here about them!

 

[duncantiv]

The ingredients are listed on loose snus and are usually very simple: tobacco, herbs, carbonate (to freebase the nicotine in the baccy), PG, VG, salt, there might be more than that, but not much more. US chewing tobaccos are often sweet, containing sugar or molasses. I have yet to taste a Swedish snus that was either sweet or contained molasses. I am not sure that such a product would be welcomed. It certainly wouldn't be good for one's teeth to have them soaked with sugar loaden tobaccos off and on throughout the day.

Ok, so the major difference between chewing tobacco and Swedish Snus is the preparation method. I'm not sure about the "Frost" flavour of American Camel Snus, but the honey flavour of the "Mellow" would seem to support your assumption that American Camel Snus are just prepackaged chewing tobacco. It is, however, just an assumption.

On a related note, I have started soaking an Oden high-nic in PG per my usual method, though I'm only doing one pouch in 0.5 oz of PG, so I should end up with a more reasonably sized test sample. (I'm not quite ready to try making a tincture yet, so for now I'll be sticking with the soak method) After about 20 hours, the flavour seems reasonable, with decent throat hit, but with none of the sweet tang from the American Camel Snus. I think I felt a bit of a nic rush, but my atomizer is barely functional (at best) so until I get a new one, regard my conclusions as tentative. I am pretty certain about the lack of sweet flavour though, so I'm guessing you're probably correct, WerkIt.

Once it's completely done brewing, I'll do a residue test, and see how that compares to the American Camel Snus. This time, though, I'll take pictures!

 

[duncantiv]

If anybody is interested, the part numbers at containerandpackaging.com are L500 for the dropper lid (25 cents ea) and B439 for the 0.5oz/14.8mL HDPE bottle (10 cents ea). Bulk discounts are available.

I almost forgot to mention this! I got my first samples of the abovementioned parts, and they work pretty darn well! The dropper lid is a tad messier than the bottles I've gotten from BestECig, but are acceptable. The bottle is translucent, making it easy to track fluid levels too. Given the assortment of Snus available on BuySnus.com, I'm going to order 10 or 20 more of each, as the 0.5oz size makes for a great testing size. I'll probably order a larger size to make bigger quantities of "approved" liquids, and then re-use the small ones for day-to-day use or even to experiment with adding other flavour. (I so hope a chocolate mint flavour works well!)

For reference, these items are available from containerandpackaging.com using the part numbers I detailed above.

 

[tescela]

test test test

 

[bearscreek]

I have a quick question and then maybe an observation. First, the thing I don't really understand about this is the nicotine content. If I have 6 Camel Snus and 20 mL of PG or VG, the nicotine content per mL is very, very small. That would be fine for people who are vaping very low nicotine juices, but it seems to me that it would be pretty hard to get something equivalent to 18 mg or 24 mg juice (even with Swedish Snus).

For my observation, I'll just say that I am soaking 6 Camel Snus in a mixture of PG and VG. I was running a little bit low on PG, so I thought I would mix them, but I didn't want to use straight VG because I might be a little sensitive to it. Just coincidentally, I put the PG in first and then the VG on top. When I put the Snus in, I noticed that the top VG layer was turning very dark, and the PG layer on the bottom wasn't doing anything. Apparently the VG was MUCH better at getting the Snus juice out. Of course, the whole mixture is dark brown now, since I tipped the glass in order to mix them.

 

[Faethe]

I have a quick question and then maybe an observation. First, the thing I don't really understand about this is the nicotine content. If I have 6 Camel Snus and 20 mL of PG or VG, the nicotine content per mL is very, very small. That would be fine for people who are vaping very low nicotine juices, but it seems to me that it would be pretty hard to get something equivalent to 18 mg or 24 mg juice (even with Swedish Snus).

For my observation, I'll just say that I am soaking 6 Camel Snus in a mixture of PG and VG. I was running a little bit low on PG, so I thought I would mix them, but I didn't want to use straight VG because I might be a little sensitive to it. Just coincidentally, I put the PG in first and then the VG on top. When I put the Snus in, I noticed that the top VG layer was turning very dark, and the PG layer on the bottom wasn't doing anything. Apparently the VG was MUCH better at getting the Snus juice out. Of course, the whole mixture is dark brown now, since I tipped the glass in order to mix them.

The overall nicotine content in 36mg e-juice is only 3.6% (I may be off a bit here by a .1 or so). Camel snus have (I think) 11mg per packet. So 6 packets have a maximum of 66mg that can be transferred. This is the way I have been figuring it.

Obviously, you are not going to transfer every bit of nicotine out of the snus so you go for a 'hoped for' amount. Your maximum potential here is 66mg of nicotine in 20ml of juice.

Please don't ask me to do the math

PG is not as good of an extractor as alcohol or VG, VG being the more superior. This is a time intensive thing. I let mine ferment for 20 days (or so ) before uncapping and straining it. You have to shake the bottle or container holding the snus solution once a day.

I do not have this down to a repeatable performance yet. When I do I guess I will have a definitive recipe. BTW I also throw in a tiny bit of citric acid (vitamin C crystals) into whatever solution I am making. This acts as a very weak acid/preservative. Does not appear to mess with flavor at all.

 

[wegster]

I've nothing to add to this thread at the moment, but just wanted to say - this is good stuff, I look forward to reading more on it! (especially if 36mg dries up..)