best of ECF not so best
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Some people think that new vapers will do exactly that, see all the #1 on ECF and assume that that is where one should buying their liquid.
Nicoticket is not outselling the big names, not by a long shot, but because they are soliciting votes they are going to stand out and not on their merit, but on their fan base.
I actually don't have beef with them specifically. I guess I just thought it was kinda sucky to use a contest that could be fun and fair and interesting to read the votes from into a popularity rally.
It seems manipulative. I know vendors who are on ECF are supposed to be very careful about what they do and don't do on here, in light of that, this seems to be pushing the line of the gray area.
Nicoticket is not outselling the big names, not by a long shot, but because they are soliciting votes they are going to stand out and not on their merit, but on their fan base.
I actually don't have beef with them specifically. I guess I just thought it was kinda sucky to use a contest that could be fun and fair and interesting to read the votes from into a popularity rally.
It seems manipulative. I know vendors who are on ECF are supposed to be very careful about what they do and don't do on here, in light of that, this seems to be pushing the line of the gray area.
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Pretty good odds they are not the only vendor mentioning it. Other good odds is that there are vendors out there that could care less about the "ECF Best of" (I really do not mean anything by that just pointing something out)
NT has a HUGE following, they did not get that following by soliciting votes for a forum survey thingy. While their juice is not my thing it is not bad by any means, and their customer service is legendary.
I remember MBV making their customers aware of a few of these things, but the only thing that they have worth vaping is Hawksauce.
There are hundreds if not thousands of e-liquid vendors out there, all of whom have different strategies in trying to gain market share. Nicotickets approach has been to foster strong ties to their customer base by providing excellent customer care and making them feel part of a family. Kent is extremely active on his thread and communicates with and listens to his customers more than any other vendor i know of. The result has been an extremely loyal and committed fan base who proselytize for him and bring him new customers daily. If they are using this poll as a marketing tool on their site, so be it. I think its a smart and inexpensive strategy.
Personally i think it's a little tacky to be honest. The "ECF poll" is not a scientific poll and i'm sure even the most dedicated and fanatic Nicoticketers would not say it's representative of the general vaping community. After all Nicoticket could not have a 95 % market share !!
Finally it should be obvious that a large group of people love this juice and feel strongly enough that they want the whole world to know it too. That has to be an accomplishment. Bottom line, Nicoticket fans care a lot more about this poll than others.
Personally i think it's a little tacky to be honest. The "ECF poll" is not a scientific poll and i'm sure even the most dedicated and fanatic Nicoticketers would not say it's representative of the general vaping community. After all Nicoticket could not have a 95 % market share !!
Finally it should be obvious that a large group of people love this juice and feel strongly enough that they want the whole world to know it too. That has to be an accomplishment. Bottom line, Nicoticket fans care a lot more about this poll than others.
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I personally liked the reminder to vote, otherwise I would not have.
Nic got some of my votes but not all of them - that they reminded me did not influence what I voted one.
I will say this, their presence here (all the fans) did prompt me to try their juice...and I am glad I did!
Nic got some of my votes but not all of them - that they reminded me did not influence what I voted one.
I will say this, their presence here (all the fans) did prompt me to try their juice...and I am glad I did!
For the record, I am not at all angry. I do notice that people here these days, ( took a long break from ECF and recently returned), seem to assume every post is out of anger or outrage. I did not use all caps, I did not use exclamation marks, I did use inflammatory language. Why assume I'm angry?
I'm just posing thoughts I have, in order to enter in discussions with my fellow vapers.
But, in retrospect, in my last thread, when I sort of veered with the conversation, I ended up sort of cheering on one of my favorite vendors, and was kind of heavily criticized for that. So, if I start a thread about liquids and decide to talk about my favorite and why I think it's better that's not cool and I'm, I don't know, I don't want to go back and find what I was accused of verbatim but you get the point, and now I remark here in this thread that the whole contest has turned into much the same situation but in a contest fom that shouldn't be skewed, and that is ok for the vendor and fans but not for me to comment on?
I'm confused about you people want to read on here. Either you're hypocrites or you just really just want to disagree for sake of disagreeing.
I'm just posing thoughts I have, in order to enter in discussions with my fellow vapers.
But, in retrospect, in my last thread, when I sort of veered with the conversation, I ended up sort of cheering on one of my favorite vendors, and was kind of heavily criticized for that. So, if I start a thread about liquids and decide to talk about my favorite and why I think it's better that's not cool and I'm, I don't know, I don't want to go back and find what I was accused of verbatim but you get the point, and now I remark here in this thread that the whole contest has turned into much the same situation but in a contest fom that shouldn't be skewed, and that is ok for the vendor and fans but not for me to comment on?
I'm confused about you people want to read on here. Either you're hypocrites or you just really just want to disagree for sake of disagreeing.
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There is no grey area.
It's not an official contest, nor is the winner 'officially' endorsed by ECF, the only place you will ever see it mentioned is on Nicotickets site, when that thread is active, or the short time Clark had it in his profile pic.
I just don't understand your issue with a paid registered vendor attempting to promote their site/business, especially when ANY other vendor can do the same thing.
If Mad Murdoch sent out an email asking for votes would that be ok/make it more fair in your mind? The simple fact is the "big names" can't be bothered with actually catering too or caring about their clients.
Speaking from first hand experience with an OLD 'big name' juice maker that makes my ADV, the 'big name' guys have semi-terrible customer service.
Also for the record, i'm not really a Nicoticket fanboy, but i do enjoy some of the juices and have immense respect for what Clark has built in such a short time, mainly due to his engagement of the community/fans and of course the quality of his juice.
Have you tried their liquid? Well I have and I think it's fantastic. I haven't voted in the past, but I think I will now.
Nicoticket has stellar customer service, good people working for them and active participation on these threads. However, their juice speaks for itself. Try it and see why all these people are voting for it.
Nicoticket has stellar customer service, good people working for them and active participation on these threads. However, their juice speaks for itself. Try it and see why all these people are voting for it.
I didn't interpret your post as anger, just a simple question is all. I think the fact that alot of people vote on NT is because they actually like it, not because they are asked to vote. i love alot of their juices, But I also love kings crown. some 5 pawns and many others. but that is how any business operates, they get the word out about what they feel is a very good product.there will be some that are swayed by the talk and I would bet probably at least half of them would buy it again. I don't feel you were knocking anyone, just an observation was made.
So, OP as a chef you have never participated in a 'best of (insert your town here)'?? Did you promote yourself or your food product??
Let's remember that this is an Internet forum. Not real life.
NT has gotten where they are for a reason IRL.
The melt that's going on is kind of fun to watch though. Thanks for the thread.
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Let's remember that this is an Internet forum. Not real life.
NT has gotten where they are for a reason IRL.
The melt that's going on is kind of fun to watch though. Thanks for the thread.
Sent from Stoooopidtalk!
Mercy !
It's a "Vote" put up by members for members to have a little fun - so....geez....have a little fun !
Either vote your favorites...or don't
It's a "Vote" put up by members for members to have a little fun - so....geez....have a little fun !
Either vote your favorites...or don't
Really? You were never a new vaper? Open to suggestion in a sea of juices? Sure it does affect new vapers and it's not fair to them. I was nee last year & when I heard "well, Nicoticket was the only company to actively solicit votes via email..." I was VERY disappointed. I felt deceived by that "Best of" award.
They're great folks, with a great product, and absolutely amazing customer service. Not too mention the freebies here and there to show his customers how much he appreciates our support, it's really like a big family over there in the NT section. And if ECF posts and asks us to vote our conscious we will do so with great enthusiasm, with or without an email.
Actually as soon as I saw a thread about the best of, I went right over to the NT forum and posted a thread for others to go vote before any emails were sent. So even if he had not sent the email I am positive the polls would still look the way they are.
Now where did I put that flame ......ant suit I use over on the gaming forums........
Actually as soon as I saw a thread about the best of, I went right over to the NT forum and posted a thread for others to go vote before any emails were sent. So even if he had not sent the email I am positive the polls would still look the way they are.
Now where did I put that flame ......ant suit I use over on the gaming forums........
The majority of posts are about how wonderful Nikoticket is, yet I haven't seen anyone state otherwise. What's the point of those posts?
Sorry but you do seem angry and have an axe to grind but that's jmo.
The e-mail didn't say vote for me, it stated the "BEST OF ECF 2014 VOTING IS NOW UP". It didn't state vote for me or anything remotely close but it did state that they would be "be humbled an honored if you took the time to head out and vote!"
That statement is simply letting people know and not pushing anyone to vote for anyone in particular, just to vote.
And should they not like the posts where people voted for them on a specific category. Your comment on that seems a bit strange. If I run a small business and people said they enjoyed my product I would shake their hands and say thank you. That is a good business decision.
They have a good product, I'm glad to see that they are smart business people, proud of their product and can use this to poll to get the pulse of the consumer. Pretty intelligent move.
I voted honestly and not every vote was for Nicoticket.
I also find ECF a real helpful and agreeable place to be, very little of the net flaming goes on at ECF. Everyone has been honest, helpful and kind.
But hell that's just me.
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So how did they grow a fan base? By being voted "Best of ECF" or by their merit?
I believe their fan base grew out of their merit. By producing a very good product and backing it up with exceptional customer service.
I don't believe people became fans and remained fans just because of a "Best of ECF" logo posted on their website.
Oh and BTW, I am on their mailing list and I did not receive any email about the vote.
After reading this thread I am now very reluctant to vote because I don't see how my vote could be fair until I have tried every single juice available on the market today. How can I honestly say one juice is better than another if I haven't tried the other?
Oh and Rebgold, while you're at it could you please tell all the politicians to stop putting solicitations in my mailbox and all over my TV because I am getting real tired of them trying to solicit my vote!
It is kind of stacking the deck BUT this option or flaw in the system is open for all to utilize.
I pay almost zero attention to these awards or reviews. he says writing this post about it
"My hypocrisy knows no bounds"
I agree that the merit of this poll is dubious at best. Based on previous years, when the "best ever!" is the liquid that gets 11 votes, as opposed to the twenty others that will get 10 votes... whee. Hardly scientific, objective or much of a point. It's a popularity contest, not any measure of quality or merits. There are a lot of things out there in the world that are popular - and overwhelmingly mediocre at the same time.
just gonna add, if you look at my post in the voting, I only voted for the juices I use. I think I voted in only 3 of the categories, so I am not inflating votes for anything that I don't use...just voting for the juices I use and personally like.
If you feel your vendor of choice should be better represented in the voting, then feel free to contact them and see how they want to go about promoting it to their customers. There is no rule that the vendor cannot promote the awards voting to their customers, in fact it is encouraged, the more voters the better
well maybe not for me cause I gotta count them all, but that's on me and the choice I made to do so
What he is doing is promoting awareness, just like CASSAA or any other group/politician out there, they promote awareness of the voting and then its your choice to vote or not for whatever juice is your favorite from whichever vendor
He actually has/is promoting the winning of the 2013 awards on his website. He was and is still very excited by that. Its still up there
As an aside, I do believe there is a thread or at least there was last year, where votes for best vendors was listed, I used that thread when I was looking for a juice to make my adv. I didn't actually go with the top one. I went with HHV which I think was in the top 10. Liked what I had from them, but then found my ADV from Nicoticket, which at that time wasn't even on that list.
sorry all I am not quoting, just commenting as I read. Don't take anything I say personally. feel free to comment on my post or attack or heck even pm me if you have any questions.
I will say though, If anybody wants to change their votes to a different juice, it should be done before I like the post. Once I like the post any changes to that post will not be counted. Once I count your votes the post will be liked.
Edit: wanted to add Clark likes every post he reads positive or negative. and that he will take any criticism into account as long as its constructive.
If you feel your vendor of choice should be better represented in the voting, then feel free to contact them and see how they want to go about promoting it to their customers. There is no rule that the vendor cannot promote the awards voting to their customers, in fact it is encouraged, the more voters the better
well maybe not for me cause I gotta count them all, but that's on me and the choice I made to do so
What he is doing is promoting awareness, just like CASSAA or any other group/politician out there, they promote awareness of the voting and then its your choice to vote or not for whatever juice is your favorite from whichever vendor
He actually has/is promoting the winning of the 2013 awards on his website. He was and is still very excited by that. Its still up there
As an aside, I do believe there is a thread or at least there was last year, where votes for best vendors was listed, I used that thread when I was looking for a juice to make my adv. I didn't actually go with the top one. I went with HHV which I think was in the top 10. Liked what I had from them, but then found my ADV from Nicoticket, which at that time wasn't even on that list.
sorry all I am not quoting, just commenting as I read. Don't take anything I say personally. feel free to comment on my post or attack or heck even pm me if you have any questions.
I will say though, If anybody wants to change their votes to a different juice, it should be done before I like the post. Once I like the post any changes to that post will not be counted. Once I count your votes the post will be liked.
Edit: wanted to add Clark likes every post he reads positive or negative. and that he will take any criticism into account as long as its constructive.
I know this will irritate all the Nicoticket users, but this is just like a Provari thread. Say anything that can be perceived as negative and they come flying in to attack.
I never thought of it before, but the OP has a point.
Nobody takes this vote seriously except for Nocoticket. Yes, other vendors could send out emails to their distribution list, but they don't, cause they don't care. Nicoticket takes it seriously and encourages their fans to vote, and I guess more power to them. They post the win on their website and other places and that's fine, but the win is not necessarily earned or deserved (which doesn't mean they might not win otherwise, maybe they would).
It's similar to contests you see on the site for the funniest joke where the winner is picked by the number of likes. Some folks solicit their friends to like their joke cause they really want to win, but most don't. When it's over, the funniest joke winner is rarely the funniest joke, because most of the members don't care about winning it enough to solicit likes.
Nocoticket will win, but does that mean they have the best juice? Not at all. Maybe they do anyway, but this poll isn't proof of it. They're just the only ones that really care about winning it.
I never thought of it before, but the OP has a point.
Nobody takes this vote seriously except for Nocoticket. Yes, other vendors could send out emails to their distribution list, but they don't, cause they don't care. Nicoticket takes it seriously and encourages their fans to vote, and I guess more power to them. They post the win on their website and other places and that's fine, but the win is not necessarily earned or deserved (which doesn't mean they might not win otherwise, maybe they would).
It's similar to contests you see on the site for the funniest joke where the winner is picked by the number of likes. Some folks solicit their friends to like their joke cause they really want to win, but most don't. When it's over, the funniest joke winner is rarely the funniest joke, because most of the members don't care about winning it enough to solicit likes.
Nocoticket will win, but does that mean they have the best juice? Not at all. Maybe they do anyway, but this poll isn't proof of it. They're just the only ones that really care about winning it.
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