SC with all due respect to you, I don't think you actually followed what transpired. It was your posts # 355 that hammered him in the end that he was responding to. What lead up to the problem long before that he did nothing wrong, WE treated him wrong which lead up to him not feeling welcome. So that he would not offend anyone, he deleated his own posts without being asked to because he was attempting to respect our community. Then we proceded to chase him away anyway.
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I"m so sad right now.
Don't be so sad LisaLisa... trust the Lord's word.. He says He doesn't begin a 'work' He doesn't complete. The 'seeds' were planted... in God's time there will be a 'harvest'.. whether we see it or not and more than likely not 'because' of us, but in 'spite' of us... (lol)
...Blonde,
Her sadness (and correct me Lisa if I'm even a little bit off base) isn't because someone heard the truth and walked away, our rudeness as a community chased someone away.
Her sadness (and correct me Lisa if I'm even a little bit off base) isn't because someone heard the truth and walked away, our rudeness as a community chased someone away.
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Blonde,
Her sadness (and correct me Lisa if I'm even a little bit off base) isn't because someone heard the truth and walked away, our rudeness as a community chased someone away.
Yea, I think sometimes we use our own brain and our own human emotions instead of focusing on doing His will. Doing His will is bringing people to Jesus. God does not need our defense, He is not weak or helpless. He wants us to lead people to Him. That is our sole purpose in life. Being loyal to God means that you will humbly do His will, and focus on what He wants and that is to help draw people to Him so that they can be saved. We are to stand out in the world by showing a Christ like attitude which includes love, compassion and humility. That's it.
It's very difficult to put into words what I'm trying to say. I too am working on these things myself, and asking God to help mold me into the person that I need to be in order to further His will. Being a servant of God is a humble position, we are not God's bodyguards, we are His humble servants and a servant does the will of his master and minds his own business.
Minding his own business includes not getting involved in God's own personal affairs, including His dealings with Israel, and also judging other people. Remember.........salvation is a gift, it is not earned nor deserved. Humility and graciousness is important. Our job is to help share the message of this gift so that everyone can share in it too. That is what our job is.
Well I was by chance conversing with a good friend of mine, (unrelated issues). She tossed a theory at me that I just have to repeat here. I remembered this, but it didn't sink in as whats happening here, and I have to thank Saintcruiser for reminding me.
This is going to sound weird, but we all owe Saintcruiser refusal to be nice to me for our understanding and relationship with Jesus. If Christians didn't stand up for, wipe out, or shout down other voices, their voices may have never been heard.
Just as today, back then 2000 years ago, there were several dozen styles of religion. The religions you will never hear about are the ones who never shouted down the others and then fell into obscurity.
I can shake the hand of a Jewish man..no issues here. I know people that can not be in the same room with a Jewish person. And here is the shocker....I met people, who can not be in the same room with a person who can be in the same room as a Jewish person! It was actually a Muslim guy who said he knew Muslims who would kill him if they knew he even spoke with a Jewish person or a Christian. Some Christians are the same way. SC isn't that bad, she just believes in challenging anything foreign to her ideas and shouting them down. I actually have to support her right to do that..... and we all should.
Once again I am the issue here. Its my "thin skin" getting the best of me. I should not expect all Christians to listen to other's ideas. I should have told SC, that a question was asked. I asked if the OP wanted a theological reply or real world reply...I was given the go ahead to post my views. So I am saying it now to SC, I am sorry, I was asked to elaborate on my opinion and I did. If that bothers you, I can't help you. The world is filled with 10000s idea on who, what where and when is a christian...you have to deal with that...or you don't have too. (I may owe you for carrying on the Christian faith, but thats another thread...LOL)
peace to all.
This is going to sound weird, but we all owe Saintcruiser refusal to be nice to me for our understanding and relationship with Jesus. If Christians didn't stand up for, wipe out, or shout down other voices, their voices may have never been heard.
Just as today, back then 2000 years ago, there were several dozen styles of religion. The religions you will never hear about are the ones who never shouted down the others and then fell into obscurity.
I can shake the hand of a Jewish man..no issues here. I know people that can not be in the same room with a Jewish person. And here is the shocker....I met people, who can not be in the same room with a person who can be in the same room as a Jewish person! It was actually a Muslim guy who said he knew Muslims who would kill him if they knew he even spoke with a Jewish person or a Christian. Some Christians are the same way. SC isn't that bad, she just believes in challenging anything foreign to her ideas and shouting them down. I actually have to support her right to do that..... and we all should.
Once again I am the issue here. Its my "thin skin" getting the best of me. I should not expect all Christians to listen to other's ideas. I should have told SC, that a question was asked. I asked if the OP wanted a theological reply or real world reply...I was given the go ahead to post my views. So I am saying it now to SC, I am sorry, I was asked to elaborate on my opinion and I did. If that bothers you, I can't help you. The world is filled with 10000s idea on who, what where and when is a christian...you have to deal with that...or you don't have too. (I may owe you for carrying on the Christian faith, but thats another thread...LOL)
peace to all.
That's a great post, and you bring up some great points!
We should let our voices be heard, absolutely. Many would love to silence us, and that's not going to happen. But, we do need to temper or words with love, compassion and kindness because that's what sets us apart from the rest of the world.
I'm glad you're here Jax
I am reminded of how Jesus replied to the very enemy that wants to steal, kill and destroy all of us who is SATAN himself. He spoke the Word.
Matthew 4
3 The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”
4 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”
5 Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. 6 “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:
“‘He will command his angels concerning you,
and they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’[c]”
7 Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’[d]”
8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9 “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”
10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’[e]”
The Word is powerful, instead of us railing against someone who may have differing opinions on either side of the fence, how about following the example Christ set for us. In doing so we are not using our own power to destroy the works of the enemy, rather using the very Word which has the power:
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
Will we "win" someone to the viewpoint that we have been given understanding in? That's up to the Lord to help us with, we are chosen and God will choose who he wants to reveal certain things to, according to his will. If someone doesn't agree with us, then it is our job to pray for them and pray for ourselves that we can all grow together.
There are things that I know today that I didn't know 6 months ago, things that are being taught to me by the Spirit of the One who leads us into all truth.
Ijax has a point when it comes to conflict, it will either cause us to raise the white flag of surrender OR drive us to our knees, seeking the face of the One who can lead us into all truth. As he leads us, we can show others what has been revealed to us. If they disagree, that's ok..God is truly in control anyway. To be honest, I cannot really say that there is anyone on this forum that I agree with 100% on every issue, yet I see their passion and longing to clarify the Word to revealed to them to others. This drives me deeper into the word myself, drives me to my knees to seek more of the truth and humbles me to realize that no matter how many days I walk this earth that I truly do only see through a glass darkly. God is teaching me what it truly means to love, do we love only when it is convenient? Only when someone agrees with us? Or do we love regardless? What was the example that Jesus set for us in this matter? As he was dying on the cross he asks the Lord to forgive them.
God will clarify what he wants us to know if we truly continue to seek him with a pure heart, not to dismantle someone else's argument so that we can be right, but to truly know the Word for ourselves.
Romans 12 is always a good reminder for me as to how my thinking should be in dealing with those that oppose us:
Romans 12
1 Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship. 2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.
Question: How do we renew our minds?
3 For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you. 4 For just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, 5 so in Christ we, though many, form one body, and each member belongs to all the others. 6 We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us. If your gift is prophesying, then prophesy in accordance with your faith; 7 if it is serving, then serve; if it is teaching, then teach; 8 if it is to encourage, then give encouragement; if it is giving, then give generously; if it is to lead, do it diligently; if it is to show mercy, do it cheerfully.
9 Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. 10 Be devoted to one another in love. Honor one another above yourselves. 11 Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord. 12 Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer. 13 Share with the Lord’s people who are in need. Practice hospitality.
Question: Can we hate an evil word and still love the one that delivers it? Love meaning not trashing the character of the person...
14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. 15 Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn. 16 Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position.[c] Do not be conceited.
Question: How do we bless those that persecute us? What does do not curse mean? What does live in harmony with one another mean? How can we live in harmony if we are calling them out with names?
17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. 18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19 Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”[d] says the Lord. 20 On the contrary:
Question: What does do not take revenge mean? How do we leave room for God's wrath?
“If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.
In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.”[e]
21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
Question: How do we overcome evil with good?
BTW...I need to be reminded of this word......a lot
Matthew 4
3 The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”
4 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”
5 Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. 6 “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:
“‘He will command his angels concerning you,
and they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’[c]”
7 Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’[d]”
8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9 “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”
10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’[e]”
The Word is powerful, instead of us railing against someone who may have differing opinions on either side of the fence, how about following the example Christ set for us. In doing so we are not using our own power to destroy the works of the enemy, rather using the very Word which has the power:
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
Will we "win" someone to the viewpoint that we have been given understanding in? That's up to the Lord to help us with, we are chosen and God will choose who he wants to reveal certain things to, according to his will. If someone doesn't agree with us, then it is our job to pray for them and pray for ourselves that we can all grow together.
There are things that I know today that I didn't know 6 months ago, things that are being taught to me by the Spirit of the One who leads us into all truth.
Ijax has a point when it comes to conflict, it will either cause us to raise the white flag of surrender OR drive us to our knees, seeking the face of the One who can lead us into all truth. As he leads us, we can show others what has been revealed to us. If they disagree, that's ok..God is truly in control anyway. To be honest, I cannot really say that there is anyone on this forum that I agree with 100% on every issue, yet I see their passion and longing to clarify the Word to revealed to them to others. This drives me deeper into the word myself, drives me to my knees to seek more of the truth and humbles me to realize that no matter how many days I walk this earth that I truly do only see through a glass darkly. God is teaching me what it truly means to love, do we love only when it is convenient? Only when someone agrees with us? Or do we love regardless? What was the example that Jesus set for us in this matter? As he was dying on the cross he asks the Lord to forgive them.
God will clarify what he wants us to know if we truly continue to seek him with a pure heart, not to dismantle someone else's argument so that we can be right, but to truly know the Word for ourselves.
Romans 12 is always a good reminder for me as to how my thinking should be in dealing with those that oppose us:
Romans 12
1 Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship. 2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.
Question: How do we renew our minds?
3 For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you. 4 For just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, 5 so in Christ we, though many, form one body, and each member belongs to all the others. 6 We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us. If your gift is prophesying, then prophesy in accordance with your faith; 7 if it is serving, then serve; if it is teaching, then teach; 8 if it is to encourage, then give encouragement; if it is giving, then give generously; if it is to lead, do it diligently; if it is to show mercy, do it cheerfully.
9 Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. 10 Be devoted to one another in love. Honor one another above yourselves. 11 Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord. 12 Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer. 13 Share with the Lord’s people who are in need. Practice hospitality.
Question: Can we hate an evil word and still love the one that delivers it? Love meaning not trashing the character of the person...
14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. 15 Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn. 16 Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position.[c] Do not be conceited.
Question: How do we bless those that persecute us? What does do not curse mean? What does live in harmony with one another mean? How can we live in harmony if we are calling them out with names?
17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. 18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19 Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”[d] says the Lord. 20 On the contrary:
Question: What does do not take revenge mean? How do we leave room for God's wrath?
“If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.
In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.”[e]
21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
Question: How do we overcome evil with good?
BTW...I need to be reminded of this word......a lot
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Wow Imrasch, that was so powerful. Thank you sister for that! It's truly humbling to read God's own instructions for us. If I have offended anyone here in anyway at all, I sincerely apologize. Let us all walk together in love and understanding, helping eachother everyday.
I myself used to spend more time on this forum but it has changed lately. Everyone have a nice day and may God be with you all.
Since I was the person who posted the "unwelcome" message, I will leave. I am told by the Bible that it is the Gospel that saves. Unlike a lot of people, I don't believe that the gospel is "be nice to people and they will believe". iJax can himself attest that he's met very nice people who aren't Christians. Being nice isn't the same thing as being saved. Jesus himself criticized many of the religious leaders of His time for twisting scripture and telling the people the wrong thing. He referred to them as "Sons of Satan" and "a brood of vipers" among other things. I didn't even go that far. I see that SG is back so he can take up the Bible study again for those who want to hear his version of the Bible. You may argue with him.
I really wish you wouldn't feel that way Karen, you are loved and wanted here. We are just trying to grow and teach eachother how to be more christ like.
1 Corinthians 9:19-23 (New International Version)
Paul’s Use of His Freedom
19 Though I am free and belong to no one, I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. 20 To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. 22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. 23 I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.
Be Humble
1 Peter 5:6
Humble yourselves, therefore, under the mighty hand of God so that at the proper time he may exalt you,
2 Chronicles 7:14
If my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land.
Philippians 2:3-11
Do nothing from rivalry or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves. Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others. Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. ...
James 4:6
But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, “God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Luke 18:9-14
He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’ But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ ...
Matthew 23:12
Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
Luke 18:9-20
He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’ But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ ...
1 Peter 5:5
Likewise, you who are younger, be subject to the elders. Clothe yourselves, all of you, with humility toward one another, for “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.”
2 Corinthians 11:30
If I must boast, I will boast of the things that show my weakness.
Micah 6:8 ESV
He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
Romans 3:23
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Ephesians 4:2 ESV
With all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love,
Romans 12:1
Paul’s Use of His Freedom
19 Though I am free and belong to no one, I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. 20 To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. 22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. 23 I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.
Be Humble
1 Peter 5:6
Humble yourselves, therefore, under the mighty hand of God so that at the proper time he may exalt you,
2 Chronicles 7:14
If my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land.
Philippians 2:3-11
Do nothing from rivalry or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves. Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others. Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. ...
James 4:6
But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, “God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Luke 18:9-14
He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’ But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ ...
Matthew 23:12
Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
Luke 18:9-20
He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’ But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ ...
1 Peter 5:5
Likewise, you who are younger, be subject to the elders. Clothe yourselves, all of you, with humility toward one another, for “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.”
2 Corinthians 11:30
If I must boast, I will boast of the things that show my weakness.
Micah 6:8 ESV
He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
Romans 3:23
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Ephesians 4:2 ESV
With all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love,
Romans 12:1
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How are you ignoring that comment when you quoted and replied?????????????? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
I needed that laugh tho.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How are you ignoring that comment when you quoted and replied?????????????? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
I needed that laugh tho.
Weeelllllll you know how it is.....
Why must we argue at all? Can we agree to disagree? Can we state our revealation and allow the Holy Spirit to impart truth? I see that some here try to pound home the truth...it is difficult to argue the pages of twisted words. But the Word of God does not return void, His will is being done. I appreciate your stance on truth, I am in agreement with most of what you are teaching, I have learned much from you. Will you deny your fellow believers the opportunity to learn just because of a little conflict? You are a great teacher and annointed by God, I pray you reconsider...
Much love and respect to you dear sister, you are appreciated more than you know.
Chimney, you and I have both been chastized by this group while they, I don't know, have/have not tested the spirits. I did what I did because I felt led to do so.....I'm sure you did the same. I'm taking a stand on what I feel is the correct course for me. This board is not the same as it was and it only took one person to wedge themselves in. I've got to remain true to the One I know very well without compromising Him or His teachings. Don't forget when Jesus talked about brushing the dirt from your sandals. That came from His own mouth. Mark my word, as it will blow up in your faces in the future. You cannot compromise the Gospel. Jax, are you seeking truth? Yes or no. No long dissertation .....just a yes or no. Judge me as you will, but I stand on what I said or I wouldn't have put it on the board. AND, that doesn't have anything to do with whether I love you or not, because I do love you. I love all of you, but right is right and wrong is wrong. There is no gray area. Jesus never pushed the Gospel on anyone. He is a Gentleman. It's either one way or the other. Which side of the coin are you on?
You don't have to answer it now, but it is food for thought and something to search yourself over.- Status
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