bloomberg.com: Vaping May Be Hazardous to Your Health

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Petrodus

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Good God, the comments over there are steaming cesspool of stupid.
YEP !!
Best way to mix it up in the comments there
would be for us to jump in with a lot of humor
sending a loud and clear message that they
are uneducated and don't know what they
are talking about.

Trying to educate a crowd of idiots ... is impossible.
Best to get in their making jokes implying they are
just a bunch of bobble heads.

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YEP !!
Best way to mix it up in the comments there
would be for us to jump in with a lot of humor
sending a loud and clear message that they
are uneducated and don't know what they
are talking about.

Trying to educate a crowd of idiots ... is impossible.
Best to get in their making jokes implying they are
just a bunch of bobble heads.

:2c:
I would generally agree, though it would take a lot of us, as there are already 143 comments and counting. I believe if only a few of us chimed in, our comments would be swallowed up by the cookie monster!!
 

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I would generally agree, though it would take a lot of us, as there are already 143 comments and counting. I believe if only a few of us chimed in, our comments would be swallowed up by the cookie monster!!
Understood ...
However, those wishing to jump into the cesspool ...
Would suggest using humor.

Actually, I just read a pro-ecig humorous comment by Todrick
and has 12 "Likes" so far ... more than the rest.
So ... It shows there are those who know the truth
reading the comments.
:laugh:
 
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Understood ...
However, those wishing to jump into the cesspool ...
Would suggest using humor.

Actually, I just read a pro-ecig humorous comment by Todrick
and has 12 "Likes" so far ... more than the rest.
So ... It shows there are those who know the truth
reading the comments.
:laugh:

I don't normally out myself... but um.. yeah, that's me.

But it's indicative of what you said... the comedy and humor approach makes their stupidity all the more glaring.
 

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I don't normally out myself... but um.. yeah, that's me.

But it's indicative of what you said... the comedy and humor approach makes their stupidity all the more glaring.
KUDOS !!
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Most of the posted comments criticize Bloomberg's editorial. After I posted my lengthy comment (below), I found out that 140 other comments had already been posted, and realized that mine would soon be lost in the clutter.


This editorial is dead wrong, grossly misrepresents the scientific and empirical evidence about e-cigarettes, and fails to disclose the editors huge financial conflict of interest (i.e. working for Bloomberg, whose NYC Health Dept just proposed banning the sale of many e-cigarettes after claiming it wouldn't).

The growing mountain of scientific and empirical evidence consistently indicates that e-cigarettes:
- are 99% (+/-1%) less hazardous than cigarettes,
- pose no risks to nonusers,
- emit similar levels of constituents as FDA approved nicotine gums, lozenges, patches and inhalers.
- are consumed almost exclusively (i.e. 99%) by smokers and former smokers who quit by switching to e-cigs,
- have never been known to addict any nonsmoker (or youth) to nicotine,
- have helped several million smokers quit and/or sharply reduce cigarette consumption,
- have replaced/reduced about 750 million packs of cigarettes in past five years,
- are more effective than nicotine gums, lozenges and patches for smoking cessation and reducing cigarette consumption, and
- pose fewer risks than FDA approved Chantix or Wellbutrin.

Had FDA been able to ban e-cigarettes (as the agency unlawfully did in 2009 until 13 federal judges ruled the ban unlawful), several million e-cigarette consumers would have smoked an additional 750 million packs of cigarettes.

Since 2011, the FDA has restated its intent to regulate e-cigarettes as tobacco products by imposing the "deeming" regulation and by imposing additional regs on e-cigs.

But the FDA and the news media refuse to acknowledge that the "deeming" regulation would ban all e-cigarettes (per Section 905(j) and Section 910 of the Tobacco Control Act), would prohibit e-cig companies from truthfully claiming that e-cigs "emit no smoke" (per Section 911), and would otherwise decimate the e-cigarette industry.

Even if the FDA exempts e-cigarettes from these worst provisions in Chapter IX of the federal Tobacco Control Act, imposing the "deeming" regulation and additional regulations on e-cigarettes would likely ban 99% of e-cigarette companies and products, and basically give the e-cigarette industry to the existing oligopoly of Big Tobacco companies.

Besides, all of the following products and activities emit far more indoor air pollution than does an e-cigarette, but Bloomberg editors haven't called for a ban on any of them.
- plywood and other building materials
- glues
- paint
- carpeting
- furniture
- appliances
- cooking
- every exhale by every smoker for more than an hour after smoking every cigarette
- smoker’s clothes and hair
- printers
- photocopiers
- computers
- cleaning products
- dry cleaned clothes
- hair sprays
- perfumes
- nail polish and nail polish remover
- air fresheners

Bill Godshall
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Smokefree Pennsylvania
1926 Monongahela Avenue
Pittsburgh, PA 15218
412-351-5880
smokefree@compuserve.com
 
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Most of the posted comments criticize Bloomberg's editorial. After I posted my lengthy comment (below), I found out that 140 other comments had already been posted, and realized that mine would soon be lost in the clutter.


It's at the top right now, Mr. G, and as usual, it's spot on! Greg Conley also posted an excellent comment, which is the last one on page 4.

And additional kudos to our very own ClippinWings!
 

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Well Well Well ...
I just quickly reviewed all the comments ...
WOW ... Vapers are really jumping in and blowing this crap out of the water.
I did a Ton of Likes.

Obviously ... there are comments coming in fast
and not just from those of us here on the ECF who read this post on this forum.

The e-cigarette movement is larger than many of us can imagine

I'm thrilled !!
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Just 'liked' Bill's comment along with a couple others. Also added my own:

Regarding your opinions in the last two paragraphs:

" If e-cigarettes are found to be valuable smoking-cessation tools, then they may warrant a tax rate that’s lower than what’s imposed on real cigarettes."

"we should all be careful that e-cigarettes not perpetuate a habit that society has come a long way toward snuffing out"

Why should e-cigarettes be taxed at a different rate than the coffee I buy?
Why is society so concerned with snuffing out my nicotine habit?

The only thing cigarettes and e-cigarettes have in common is the nicotine. The only reason we as a society tax and try to snuff out the use of cigarettes is because they are a public health problem. They may cause harm to others through the second hand smoke, and they add to health care costs that may end up being paid by the public.

My nicotine addition, which I currently feed with my e-cigarette while simultaneously feeding my caffeine addiction with my can of cola, does neither of these things.

I am actually contributing to the improvement of the public health by not smoking any more.

And, oh yeah, I am also healthier from having quit smoking, although I'm sure no one cares about that other than me.
 

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Bill Godshall's comments ... 32 Likes
Many pro-ecig comments ... lots of Likes
Noticed a Quit or Die commment .... 0 Likes

When the public sees overwhelming pro-ecig comments
with lots of likes ... the public assumes ... there must be valid reasons.

ANTZ and uniformed busy-bodies don't really feel comfortable
posting their insanities "after" We show up in numbers.
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I remember a recent article where an ANTZ commented ...
"Who invited the e-cigarette community ??!!"
:p
 

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Bill Godshall's comments ... 32 Likes
Many pro-ecig comments ... lots of Likes
Noticed a Quit or Die commment .... 0 Likes

When the public sees overwhelming pro-ecig comments
with lots of likes ... the public assumes ... there must be valid reasons.

ANTZ and uniformed busy-bodies don't really feel comfortable
posting their insanities "after" We show up in numbers.
1-BigGrin.png


I remember a recent article where an ANTZ commented ...
"Who invited the e-cigarette community ??!!"
:p
And Petrodus = 100 likes!!:D
 

Vocalek

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Bill Godshall's comments ... 32 Likes
Many pro-ecig comments ... lots of Likes
Noticed a Quit or Die commment .... 0 Likes

When the public sees overwhelming pro-ecig comments
with lots of likes ... the public assumes ... there must be valid reasons.

ANTZ and uniformed busy-bodies don't really feel comfortable
posting their insanities "after" We show up in numbers.
1-BigGrin.png


I remember a recent article where an ANTZ commented ...
"Who invited the e-cigarette community ??!!"
:p

Indeed. Why should they (the e-cigarette community) be permitted to weigh in on a topic that means nothing to me, but life and death to them!
 
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