Well, depends on if you like JC. It seems to be something you either love or hate. Personally, I'm in the "hate" camp.
Blu... Just have to vent.
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Well, depends on if you like JC. It seems to be something you either love or hate. Personally, I'm in the "hate" camp.
theres happy customers for any product...but when theres better stuff out there why bother with something inferior? Im sure Blu has tons of happy customers...but when the percentage of customers that actually like the product is as low as 10% theres something wrong...why not use the money for something better...I could spend $60 on the blu site and get almost nothing...or i could go to another site and get 2 full KR808 kits (4 batteries, 10 cartomizers, 2 chargers, a PCC AND enough juice for 2 months......so why spend the money on blu...
Im not trying to argue and im happy you are a vaper and happy you found something that works for you but blu doesnt work for a lot of people...and all it takes is one bad experience and the person is turned off from e cigs forever...Any newbie is better off starting with a #1-kr808, #2 510, or #3 MOD...because they will get more for their money...ease of replacement parts...better vaping experience...and a higher quality product...
recommending blu is like recommending a Geo Prism to a potential car buyer for $10,000 when they can go accross the street and get a ferrari for $5000...it just doesnt make sense...and that is not a dramatization...theres really cheaper products out there that blow the blu out of the water...
But again...everyone is different and I am glad your happy...but blu is not the best choice for any potential vaper
Haha, another Chrono Trigger fan, eh? Man, that consumed a large part of my childhood. BEST RPG EVER... I'm glad you like the avatar. I used to have a cat named Alfador.
Anyway... I know the people here are generally good and trying to help. I've been helped myself with a few suggestions and supplier reviews. I'm not trying to suggest people don't want to think, just that I think a lot of newbies are expecting, due to exaggerated claims, for e-cigs to be exactly as easy to use and reliable as regular ones. Also, that's most likely what they're looking for. If it's not more convenient, what's the point? I'm not saying Blu deserves no negative comments. I have plenty of my own for them. However, I don't think that model entirely deserves all the bashing it gets. It's fine for light smokers. It's fine for me. I wouldn't recommend it to anybody that smokes half a pack or more a day. And it can be a pain in the ... sometimes. I think I'm more patient, or it just works for me while it doesn't for others. It just seems like every time blu's mentioned around here, someone has to say "what a piece of crap, send it back, don't even bother." It's convenient for me, and it's helped me save money by keeping me from buying real cigarettes. Even though batteries don't last very long(definitely longer than 45 minutes unless I'm vaping constantly), I always have a spare and a mobile battery charger, so it's a non-issue. I realize it's not the best choice, and I'm interested in trying others. But I'm still happy with it, just not the company. The only regret I really have is that I got it from blu and not volcano, or even better most likely, a generic L88B from some other vendor for less money. Even though I spent more now than I had to for it, it will still save me money and health. I used to go thru a pack in anywhere from 1 to 3 days. About every 3 days I would spend 5 bucks on a pack of cigarettes. Since I got my blu, I haven't bought any. I've already saved about the amount as what I paid for my starter kit. Whether it's the best or not, it's paid for itself and will continue to save me money.
I'm just trying to say that some of the negativity is unnecessary. Make suggestions for making it operate better, if you have any, and advise some other, relatively cheap and easy alternatives for people who bought a blu, should they decide it doesn't work for them.
You know, I don't have a dog in this fight (so to speak) but I'm a Blu user and I'm enjoying it. That's what's really important isn't it? Someone will eventually type Blu in this forum's search engine and will find this thread, just as I did and it's great seeing both sides of the argument but I have to agree with Magus86, the horrible bashing all over the internet is simply not deserved. For someone starting out, it does that job better than mall bought brands and looks cool as hell with it's PCC.
I've heard true and justified nightmares on shipping but I bought mine used on Craigslist. However, on September 3rd I ordered a couple of new batteries. I also ordered some liquid from Johnson Creek on the same day. Labor Day weekend and all, I got my batteries from Blu (tracked with Mail Express) on the 7th and I've still yet to receive anything from JC. Maybe it's just the starter kits that are still delayed and it's ridiculous that they'd still be backlogged like they were in 2008. Blu is not, however, a fly by night company and their cartridges have Johnson Creek liquid in them.
Listen. I'm upgrading to a 501 after I've seen the vapor production videos all over YouTube but battery life is about par with the Blu. Cartridges? Heck before I ran out (which won't happen again) I was getting my good fill of Nicotine and didn't touch a cigarette for almost 2 weeks. That's the first time in 17 years thanks to Blu. I kept a log. Carts lasted me between 3 and 6 hours. YMMV. Yes, there is a learning curve, they are not the best, they are not as flexible for modding as are other products, they are super minis but they do the job. This, coming from a pack and a half a day smoker.
My ignorance is bliss? Maybe. Fact is though, thanks to the people of this forum my horizons have expanded and a whole new world of options have opened up to me and I will be ordering a 501 soon, but I'll never forget and discard my first love, Blu. In fact I'm ordering a second starter kit in white next week. Please let me be happy! lol ... seriously, just had to share. I'm almost scared to death to write the word Blu in this forum and it shouldn't be that way.
This whole thing is giving me the Blu-s.
I've heard true and justified nightmares on shipping but I bought mine used on Craigslist. However, on September 3rd I ordered a couple of new batteries. I also ordered some liquid from Johnson Creek on the same day. Labor Day weekend and all, I got my batteries from Blu (tracked with Mail Express) on the 7th and I've still yet to receive anything from JC. Maybe it's just the starter kits that are still delayed and it's ridiculous that they'd still be backlogged like they were in 2008. Blu is not, however, a fly by night company and their cartridges have Johnson Creek liquid in them.
Listen. I'm upgrading to a 501 after I've seen the vapor production videos all over YouTube but battery life is about par with the Blu. Cartridges? Heck before I ran out (which won't happen again) I was getting my good fill of Nicotine and didn't touch a cigarette for almost 2 weeks. That's the first time in 17 years thanks to Blu. I kept a log. Carts lasted me between 3 and 6 hours. YMMV. Yes, there is a learning curve, they are not the best, they are not as flexible for modding as are other products, they are super minis but they do the job. This, coming from a pack and a half a day smoker.
My ignorance is bliss? Maybe. Fact is though, thanks to the people of this forum my horizons have expanded and a whole new world of options have opened up to me and I will be ordering a 501 soon, but I'll never forget and discard my first love, Blu. In fact I'm ordering a second starter kit in white next week. Please let me be happy! lol ... seriously, just had to share. I'm almost scared to death to write the word Blu in this forum and it shouldn't be that way.
This whole thing is giving me the Blu-s.
Hey wolf welcome to the world of vaporing, for sure. I know there is TONS of information to wade through here, but I do hope you stick it out... if you're like most of us, you'll absolutely love vaping MUCH more than smoking. I got into e-cigs as a quitting tool of sorts, trying to 'emulate' smoking as best as I could, but found out that vaping isn't just the next best thing to smoking... it is SO MUCH BETTER in all regards.
I'm with keith on this one, my only concern is that the Blu isn't a very good unit, and if you're new into vaping, a bad unit can leave you with the impression that e-cigs are not for you. That would be my only worry... that the Blu would scare a new vaper away.
I've been vaping for a few months now and have the time and interest to research a LOT and read through tons of posts, and I've tried a few models.
The 510 kit from cignot.com is actually what I started with and makes a great start. Cheap, shipped quicker than you think possible, and it's a good model. I recently upgraded to the Riva, it would make a great started unit too. Vaporjunction has good pricing a quick shipping on that as well.
Anyway, good luck, if there's anything you want to ask about, well, anything, let us know
welcome to the world of vaporing, for sure. I know there is TONS of information to wade through here, but I do hope you stick it out... if you're like most of us, you'll absolutely love vaping MUCH more than smoking. I got into e-cigs as a quitting tool of sorts, trying to 'emulate' smoking as best as I could, but found out that vaping isn't just the next best thing to smoking... it is SO MUCH BETTER in all regards.I'm with keith on this one, my only concern is that the Blu isn't a very good unit, and if you're new into vaping, a bad unit can leave you with the impression that e-cigs are not for you. That would be my only worry... that the Blu would scare a new vaper away.
I've been vaping for a few months now and have the time and interest to research a LOT and read through tons of posts, and I've tried a few models.
The 510 kit from cignot.com is actually what I started with and makes a great start. Cheap, shipped quicker than you think possible, and it's a good model. I recently upgraded to the Riva, it would make a great started unit too. Vaporjunction has good pricing a quick shipping on that as well.
Anyway, good luck, if there's anything you want to ask about, well, anything, let us know
JohnReagan,
If it works for you that's fantastic. But you're a minority. And so what? It really doesn't matter.
But it does affect where I point newbies to. You will never catch me recommending a Blu to a newbie. If they *insist* on the size of a super-mini, I'll recommend the 510 with cartomizers, M40x series, or the 4081 over the Blu. They all have much better reputations for consistency and performance than the L88B (which is what the Blu is).
They may not be fly-by-night, but they do also have a history of bad customer service. Bad customer service and scamming are not the same thing - but I wouldn't feel any more comfortable recommending a company with bad customer service than I would one that was a scam.
I'm most interesting in giving people the best chance of success possible. And the Blu is low on that list. That's all.
The Blu didn't work for me, and it doesn't work for the majority of people who try it... so I won't recommend it.
Then again, I also don't recommend Dekang, but some people like it.
If it works for you that's fantastic. But you're a minority. And so what? It really doesn't matter.
But it does affect where I point newbies to. You will never catch me recommending a Blu to a newbie. If they *insist* on the size of a super-mini, I'll recommend the 510 with cartomizers, M40x series, or the 4081 over the Blu. They all have much better reputations for consistency and performance than the L88B (which is what the Blu is).
They may not be fly-by-night, but they do also have a history of bad customer service. Bad customer service and scamming are not the same thing - but I wouldn't feel any more comfortable recommending a company with bad customer service than I would one that was a scam.
I'm most interesting in giving people the best chance of success possible. And the Blu is low on that list. That's all.
The Blu didn't work for me, and it doesn't work for the majority of people who try it... so I won't recommend it.
Then again, I also don't recommend Dekang, but some people like it.
I have to agree with both of you. I've been doing my research, and from what I've found Blu is exactly what I'm looking for. I'm the kind of person who gets bored with things easily so if I have to keep refilling carts with different flavors and such it will keep me interested and keep me off of analogs. I'm glad to hear that people enjoy their blu, for quite a while I was afraid to even open my Blu when I get it. But I really think that this will keep me off of analogs which is what we're all after right? I think a little more support for those Blu users is in order, yeah if we come in saying we're fed up, by all means give us suggestions for what to get, but until then... you know my mom always told me "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all." I've come to learn this really is one of her best policies.
Cassie, you can point newbies to wherever you'd like. You should recommend whatever works for you.
I think it all depends on our level of commitment and how willing we are to feed our addiction. Some people want to make a hobby/lifestyle out of this, others simply want something simple to keep cigs out of their mouths.After doing this for about a month I'm realizing that I'm creating a new addiction for myself, I'm putting infinitely more time and money into vaping than I ever put into smoking cigarettes. I think that frankly I'm making my addiction to nicotine worse. I don't want that for myself, I don't want to keep buying juices and "bigger and better" for an addiction that I eventually want to give up altogether. I'm sure I'm not alone in this.
I think that it's irresponsible to tell somebody that something that they bought is crap and to send it back. If somebody buys a Blu they're doing the right thing because they're not buying cigarettes. As Big Chief said in his thread, it's our responsibility to help people make what they have work for them, not make them feel foolish because we don't agree with how they spend their money. I think we should save our 2 cents until the user themselves expresses displeasure. How dare we make people feel stupid for wanting to better their health. I don't care if the friggen PV somebody bought is made of rocks and dirt, we should be helping them make the most of it. There's a diplomatic way to say things and express our opinions.
Alot of people in the gaming forums I visit say "I don't care if you're playing Xbox,Playstation or a dusty old Atari, we're all gamers." That should apply here too, we're all vapers regardless of the equipment we use. Fanboyism in something as serious as quitting cigarettes is ridiculous.
Rant over.
I think that it's irresponsible to tell somebody that something that they bought is crap and to send it back. If somebody buys a Blu they're doing the right thing because they're not buying cigarettes. As Big Chief said in his thread, it's our responsibility to help people make what they have work for them, not make them feel foolish because we don't agree with how they spend their money. I think we should save our 2 cents until the user themselves expresses displeasure. How dare we make people feel stupid for wanting to better their health. I don't care if the friggen PV somebody bought is made of rocks and dirt, we should be helping them make the most of it. There's a diplomatic way to say things and express our opinions.
Alot of people in the gaming forums I visit say "I don't care if you're playing Xbox,Playstation or a dusty old Atari, we're all gamers." That should apply here too, we're all vapers regardless of the equipment we use. Fanboyism in something as serious as quitting cigarettes is ridiculous.
Rant over.
The place I order from has an interactive web site - if the product is out of stock it is not an option when ordering.
Problem fixed - sometimes you want some flavor juice in 18 and it is not listed - means they are out of stock for that juice in that strength - might have 12 or 36 or other on the drop down flavor choice - but if out of stock - 18 is not listed.
More expensive web site - have to have an interactive database behind it but I do appreciate this.
I think it all depends on our level of commitment and how willing we are to feed our addiction. Some people want to make a hobby/lifestyle out of this, others simply want something simple to keep cigs out of their mouths.After doing this for about a month I'm realizing that I'm creating a new addiction for myself, I'm putting infinitely more time and money into vaping than I ever put into smoking cigarettes. I think that frankly I'm making my addiction to nicotine worse. I don't want that for myself, I don't want to keep buying juices and "bigger and better" for an addiction that I eventually want to give up altogether. I'm sure I'm not alone in this.
I think that it's irresponsible to tell somebody that something that they bought is crap and to send it back. If somebody buys a Blu they're doing the right thing because they're not buying cigarettes. As Big Chief said in his thread, it's our responsibility to help people make what they have work for them, not make them feel foolish because we don't agree with how they spend their money. I think we should save our 2 cents until the user themselves expresses displeasure. How dare we make people feel stupid for wanting to better their health. I don't care if the friggen PV somebody bought is made of rocks and dirt, we should be helping them make the most of it. There's a diplomatic way to say things and express our opinions.
Alot of people in the gaming forums I visit say "I don't care if you're playing Xbox,Playstation or a dusty old Atari, we're all gamers." That should apply here too, we're all vapers regardless of the equipment we use. Fanboyism in something as serious as quitting cigarettes is ridiculous.
Rant over.
Good that rant it is over - we all walk our own path --- in our life.
"After doing this for about a month I'm realizing that I'm creating a new addiction for myself, I'm putting infinitely more time and money into vaping than I ever put into smoking cigarettes"
xb4gx -
If someone comes on here and says they bought a Blu, I am not one of the folks who says "cancel the order, send it back." You've already bought it, you're all excited, and even if it doesn't work for you as a main e-cig, you may find another use for it. No harm in trying. And it could very well be helpful.
But just because I don't recommend a Blu to someone who is looking at their first purchase doesn't mean it's "bigger and better."
I still use regular stock Kr8 and 510 batteries. I have PCC's and a pass-thru. That's perfectly fine for me. I have tried 5v - didn't like it. And I don't see the point of a 3.7v mod, if I don't have any problems with the battery life I get. Everyone told me I would want to "upgrade" by this point in my vaping career. And I don't. And like you, I want to someday taper down, and quit.
I'm pretty simple, as vapers go. And I do know what you mean about fanboi-ism - I've been attacked by the "mod squad," who think I'm a philistine for liking my stock batteries. Sometimes they've even be vicious.
So I'm not trying to sound like a fanboi. If it works for you, great. But there's a reason you don't see anyone recommending them to newbies - or any super-mini, for that matter. There's stuff out there that has a better success rate.
For what it's worth, if you ever post needing a troubleshoot with your Blu, I will happily troubleshoot to the best of my ability. I won't tell you to bin it - unless you have enough stuff that's out of commission that it would be the sensible thing to do.
It's just, if nothing else, a very niche model that doesn't have a lot of general success.
If someone comes on here and says they bought a Blu, I am not one of the folks who says "cancel the order, send it back." You've already bought it, you're all excited, and even if it doesn't work for you as a main e-cig, you may find another use for it. No harm in trying. And it could very well be helpful.
But just because I don't recommend a Blu to someone who is looking at their first purchase doesn't mean it's "bigger and better."
I still use regular stock Kr8 and 510 batteries. I have PCC's and a pass-thru. That's perfectly fine for me. I have tried 5v - didn't like it. And I don't see the point of a 3.7v mod, if I don't have any problems with the battery life I get. Everyone told me I would want to "upgrade" by this point in my vaping career. And I don't. And like you, I want to someday taper down, and quit.
I'm pretty simple, as vapers go. And I do know what you mean about fanboi-ism - I've been attacked by the "mod squad," who think I'm a philistine for liking my stock batteries. Sometimes they've even be vicious.
So I'm not trying to sound like a fanboi. If it works for you, great. But there's a reason you don't see anyone recommending them to newbies - or any super-mini, for that matter. There's stuff out there that has a better success rate.
For what it's worth, if you ever post needing a troubleshoot with your Blu, I will happily troubleshoot to the best of my ability. I won't tell you to bin it - unless you have enough stuff that's out of commission that it would be the sensible thing to do.
It's just, if nothing else, a very niche model that doesn't have a lot of general success.
A 510 blows the doors off a Blu hands down.
I hate to see a company use slick marketing to push such a crumby product. A friend of my wife's tried it, hated it, and gave up on the idea of vaping all together.
I hate to see a company use slick marketing to push such a crumby product. A friend of my wife's tried it, hated it, and gave up on the idea of vaping all together.
Well, it's finally here. Both batteries are fully charged, still waiting on the blu pack to charge, but so far so good. Yeah the flavors aren't that great but that's what vaporbomb juice is for, right? I'll post a better review once I've used it for a while, but I'm a happy camper right now.
Congratulations! As I mentioned in my post above, so far I've had success with my Blu. I'm in the minority in every way: I even liked the Johnson Creek flavors ... with the exception of the Cherry Crush. My preference was Java Jolt and Classic Tobacco. All of them quenched my urge to smoke analogs.
I think it all depends on our level of commitment and how willing we are to feed our addiction. Some people want to make a hobby/lifestyle out of this, others simply want something simple to keep cigs out of their mouths.After doing this for about a month I'm realizing that I'm creating a new addiction for myself, I'm putting infinitely more time and money into vaping than I ever put into smoking cigarettes. I think that frankly I'm making my addiction to nicotine worse. I don't want that for myself, I don't want to keep buying juices and "bigger and better" for an addiction that I eventually want to give up altogether. I'm sure I'm not alone in this.
I think that it's irresponsible to tell somebody that something that they bought is crap and to send it back. If somebody buys a Blu they're doing the right thing because they're not buying cigarettes. As Big Chief said in his thread, it's our responsibility to help people make what they have work for them, not make them feel foolish because we don't agree with how they spend their money. I think we should save our 2 cents until the user themselves expresses displeasure. How dare we make people feel stupid for wanting to better their health. I don't care if the friggen PV somebody bought is made of rocks and dirt, we should be helping them make the most of it. There's a diplomatic way to say things and express our opinions.
Alot of people in the gaming forums I visit say "I don't care if you're playing Xbox,Playstation or a dusty old Atari, we're all gamers." That should apply here too, we're all vapers regardless of the equipment we use. Fanboyism in something as serious as quitting cigarettes is ridiculous.
Rant over.
I cant disagree with that.....
I just figured that because he didnt even receive it yet that I would let him know that theres beter stuff out there...i could see if he had the Blu for a week and loved it that it would be wrong to call his equipment crap but I would want someone to tell me the details about something i bought if it wasnt to late to send it back...but i do agree with everything you said..
For some people vaping does turn into a hobby..and addictions are a type of hobby regardless what anyone thinks...I dont want to quit vaping and i probably vape just as much as i did in the beginning but i have cut my nicotine usage in half with lower nic content juice...some people have no desire to do that though and i respect whatever decision they choose...Il be happy if i can get down to 6mg/ml liquid within the next year..Right now im at 12mg/ml and i started at between 24-36mg/ml...so althought people may not give up vaping...it gives them something to do and they have the opportunity to lower their nicotine consumption...but you have to want that as a gola for it to be accomplished and some just dont care..which is fine...but i like the fact that vaping is a hobby because it consumes time that i might have spent doing worse stuff in the past...everyone is different...
I think it all depends on our level of commitment and how willing we are to feed our addiction. Some people want to make a hobby/lifestyle out of this, others simply want something simple to keep cigs out of their mouths.After doing this for about a month I'm realizing that I'm creating a new addiction for myself, I'm putting infinitely more time and money into vaping than I ever put into smoking cigarettes. I think that frankly I'm making my addiction to nicotine worse. I don't want that for myself, I don't want to keep buying juices and "bigger and better" for an addiction that I eventually want to give up altogether. I'm sure I'm not alone in this.
I think that it's irresponsible to tell somebody that something that they bought is crap and to send it back. If somebody buys a Blu they're doing the right thing because they're not buying cigarettes. As Big Chief said in his thread, it's our responsibility to help people make what they have work for them, not make them feel foolish because we don't agree with how they spend their money. I think we should save our 2 cents until the user themselves expresses displeasure. How dare we make people feel stupid for wanting to better their health. I don't care if the friggen PV somebody bought is made of rocks and dirt, we should be helping them make the most of it. There's a diplomatic way to say things and express our opinions.
Alot of people in the gaming forums I visit say "I don't care if you're playing Xbox,Playstation or a dusty old Atari, we're all gamers." That should apply here too, we're all vapers regardless of the equipment we use. Fanboyism in something as serious as quitting cigarettes is ridiculous.
Rant over.
Nice avatar... reminds me of the old days of Dragon Warrior(Quest... stupid americanizing of everything and changing names for no reason...) on the NES.
I like that mentality, but unfortunately not many people I've encountered use it. And if I happen to say I hate Nintendo, then suddenly I'm a sony fanboy or whatever... Even though the NES is probably my favorite system of all time in terms of how much fun I've had playing it. I just hate the company and what it's doing today, rehashing too much of the same crap. But then again at this point, they all seem to be doing it, which is why I've pretty much given up on new games.
Anyway... So what I want to know, and this is directed at everybody who would not recommend an L88B(not saying you necessarily should), is What the hell would you tell someone to buy if they WANT something the size of a regular cigarette? What if they only smoke a few cigarettes a day? If they don't need or want something bigger and better, then what? Tell them they're foolish or wrong for having a different preference? I'm not trying to offend anybody here, but that's kinda what seems to be happening around here, and I don't know what the other option is if you absolutely will not recommend an L88B to anybody. And it doesn't seem like most people will.
When people ask me about my e-cig, I gladly tell them all about it. I tell them I love it, it tastes great, and everything about it is better than smoking real cigarettes. I also make sure to tell them that if they're a heavy smoker, this particular model is most likely not going to satisfy them. The only problem is, having no experience with any other model, I have no idea what to tell them they SHOULD get. I hear 510, Ego, and Tornado mentioned a lot around here, but I really know nothing about them. I told my brother to give the magma a try since it's a 510 and it's from a company i know isn't shady. He said he likes it so far... I guess what I really should do is just direct people to this site.
The L88B definitely works for me. Yeah, it can be a little frustrating at times, but it's not as frustrating as dropping $5.00 for a pack of Pall Malls or waking up in the middle of the night to take a leak and cough up a huge ball of phlegm. It works as advertised(on Volcano's site, not Blu's), and I don't need it to be some super duper vapor machine. It's small, it's convenient, it does its job, and it's already paid for itself... A winner is me! *Fanfare*
Oh, and also I was thinking about something. A bunch of you mentioned that you know people who tried blu and went back to smoking and now want NOTHING to do with vaping. Did it ever occur to you that it might just be because vaping and smoking aren't the same and not necessarily because of the L88B's inferiority to other models? It might not matter to them WHAT model they use, they might still never be satisfied with vaping the way they are with smoking. Even though I'm happy with vaping, I've still noticed some cravings for an actual cigarette because the nicotine hits me a lot harder and relaxes me a lot more, which vaping does not do.
John Reagan, I'm glad you're happy with your blu as I am, but I have to wonder how you can possibly like their juice. I think that stuff is nasty. It was tolerable when that was the only juice I had access to, but now that I've tried Vapor Renu's juices, there's no looking back. I'm sorry, but that is NOT menthol. That juice should be labeled "DENTAL FLOSS" because that's what it tastes like. There is nothing "magnificent" about it at all.
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