brothers dr talked him out of switching to ecig

[jefsview]

Always get a second opinion.

 

[Myk]

Yea I had a doctor like that blamed every problem I had on smoking. Hell I could've come in with a bullet wound and she would find some way to link it to smoking.

I visited that doctor once (actually he was in with the last team of quacks I went to too). I got the flu from passing a bottle of champagne at New Years. Everyone else had the flu, my genius blamed smoking. I even told him about the bottle and everyone else having the flu and the treatment everyone else was getting, nope, not me, I smoked.

 

[Gauntlgrym]

So because of that one conversation with the dr they think that ecigs are completely dangerous and are just as bad for you as the real thing.

well, then talk money to them. if they are 100% set on thinking that ecigs are bad too......

if ecig health issues is = to analog health issues, then might as well go with what's cheaper. boom converted

 

[xpackaday]

My doc said ecigs were better for me then smoking cancer sticks. He said he new several people that stopped smoking with ecigs. He thought I should start with a higher nic level and step down every 30 to 90 day until I was at zero. Then he said get some good fruit flavored gum and break the hand and mouth habit.

 

[soba1]

My doc was against ecigs. Until I visited him about a month ago, and said I hadn't smoked
in a couple of weeks. He said great, but then added get off those as soon as possible too.
They will come around slowly, remember its still relatively new tech and really
ways of thinking and change are by purpose designed to move slow in some cases

 

[CommaHolly]

that is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard,,,,,,,,maybe when the Chantix fails, they'll be willing to give the ecig a try.

If they're worried about China, tell them to buy all American made juice.

 

[CommaHolly]

I visited that doctor once (actually he was in with the last team of quacks I went to too). I got the flu from passing a bottle of champagne at New Years. Everyone else had the flu, my genius blamed smoking. I even told him about the bottle and everyone else having the flu and the treatment everyone else was getting, nope, not me, I smoked.

I had a doctor blame my pain (I have arthritis and fibromyalgia) on smoking,,,,,,,

yep, she looked me straight in th eface and told me I had a "low" pain tolerance due to smoking.

I was spitting nails when I left that place,,,,I had 3 kids with NO PAIN medication (one of them almost 10 lbs),,,,,,don't talk to me about low pain tolerance.

 

[patkin]

One of these days some little ANTZ einstein (oxymoron I know) will come up with a way to pin pregnancy on smoking.

 

[sco]

Thanks for the replys everyone. I Know I have done everything I can to try and get them switched. I am just going to let them take the pill route and see how it works for them. If it works then great, good for them. If not, I will be here waiting with an ego kit in hand to give them a 2nd option. I know that drs are trying to help, but to tell them that EVERYTHING is made in china so it must be bad. just a bunch of craziness.

 

[StacyInOkla]

However, I am long over (and time for everyone to get over) the absolute infallibility thing. Doctors are people too, and don't know everything.

I never believed doctors were absolutely infallible since I've had to educate every doctor I've ever had on my disease. That being said I'm looking forward to my dr appointment on Monday. My new dr has been hinting I needed to quit smoking and I'm wondering the difference three weeks will make.

 

[SissySpike]

Well lets cross our fingers and hope the pill works for them after all as a exsmoker I hope everyone who wants to quit succeeds. If not just be ready to get them vaping when they are ready.

 

[boomhower1820]

Chantix is great, while it's in your system. Once you get off (you have to gradually ween off of it), the cravings will return. Maybe not as intense as cold-turkey, but cravings nonetheless.

That was pretty much my experience as well. While I was taking it was like a wonder drug, I had no desire at all to smoke. But after I quit taking it I fell back to the dark side.

 

[Hulamoon]

UN-Believable. How dare she! Tell your brother and sister in law that they are big girls and boys now, they should make their own decisions vs the pompous non-informed spouting of a BP disciple. In addition while most of the batteries are made in China, there's plenty of highly respected US vendors for both. Maybe you should tell the doctor she better remove ALL batteries from her premises because they may explode on her. Oh - and stop eating all grocery store food because of all the chemicals in them. Sheesh.

So i had my brother and sister in law pretty much talked into switching over to ecigs. I let them try my ego and a couple different flavors and they really liked it, and we just about ready to have me order them a kit. Well they went to the dr a couple days ago and mentioned it to her and she told them "that since ecigs are made in china and have no fda regulations, and because of that the have no idea how bad it is for you that she really trys to talk people out of using them." So she set them up with a presciption for chantex (the suicide pill)

So because of that one conversation with the dr they think that ecigs are completely dangerous and are just as bad for you as the real thing.

On another note, I came home yesterday and seeing as though it has been 113 degrees in the valley I quickly changed clothes and went and jumped in the pool. I noticed with I got out I had my ego/ce4 set up in my pocket. I sat it in the sun for a couple mins, took it apart and dried to connections and it is working perfectly fine.

 

[Penn]

that is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard,,,,,,,,maybe when the Chantix fails, they'll be willing to give the ecig a try.

If they're worried about China, tell them to buy all American made juice.

It took until response 26 for someone to point out the first thought I had, lol.

Made in China so FDA isn't involved. Fine. Get your hardware from china, you aren't putting that in your body. From there, buy American made usp VG, usp PG, and flavors. All of those are chemicals the FDA has a hand in. Then they can mix it themselves or watch you do it, lol.

Don't bother trying to tell your brother the FDA is corrupt.

 

[TampaToker69]

Dr is on the proverbial take as it were. You should send that dr some info so she can form her own opinion rather than being a sheep and following blind studies from BP. Ugh smh.

 

[DJ RyckRak]

It is a myth that DR's get paid to prescribe .. although there have been cases of drug companies attempting to pay .. Your local family doc is not being paid to prescribe certain drugs, and contrary to what many posters here seem to think, doctors really do try to choose the best treatment for each patient. They will use generics as often as possible, and the actual drug chosen often depends as much on the insurance company formulary as the physician's choice. The doctors I know are acutely attuned to the economic pressures patients are facing and do the best they can to minimize costs, including offering samples, coupons, manufacturers' assistance info, spending massive hours of clerical time to get meds authorized with insurance companies, and writing prescriptions for tablets that can be divided with a pill splitter to cut costs.

Respectfully disagree UncleWilly.
Drs ARE 'encouraged' to prescribe medications with 'conferences' at very nice resorts...fully paid for by BP.
(50 scripts= 'Conference at Hilton Head', 100= 'Conference in Maui')
Their practices, and the hospitals they are affiliated with are 'rewarded' by #s and types of scripts prescribed.
Just not with direct cash payments....like the 'good ol days'...
But make no mistake, they are 'rewarded'!

The myth is the Hippocratic oath....
It's just a saying.

News Flash- Doctors are not infallible !!!
They put their pants or skirts on, one leg at a time...
And they do not know everything.
Shocking- is it not !

"Much love of Lawyers, not much Wealth...
Much love of Doctors, not much Health !"
- Benjamin Franklin

 

[sco]

It took until response 26 for someone to point out the first thought I had, lol.

Made in China so FDA isn't involved. Fine. Get your hardware from china, you aren't putting that in your body. From there, buy American made usp VG, usp PG, and flavors. All of those are chemicals the FDA has a hand in. Then they can mix it themselves or watch you do it, lol.

Don't bother trying to tell your brother the FDA is corrupt.

Yeah I tried this reasoning with them, I told them Yes the parts are made in china, however the juice I use is made in the US and is food grade. But but but the dr said. blah blah blah.

I asked them if they had seen anything on tv stating that an ecig "may lead to suicidal thoughts" and the hadn't. They didn't have an answer for why that was, just that they haven't been around long enough yet to know the long term effects. I explained that no we don't know what 20 years of vaping will do to someone, but it has been around long enough that if there was something that is truly that bad we would know by now.

 

[Hulamoon]

I have clinical depression (inherited) and SSRI's are excellent for keeping me my normal happy sorta self. I'm a lifer on them - but in my case I have to be, which is fair enough.

But I would never advise anyone to take anti-depressants unless they absolutely had to. They'll end up just swapping one habit for another one. There's an awful lot of bad stuff associated with casual handouts of a-d's. Here's an example of the behavior of the makers of Chantix. They and FDA knew that a straightforward extension from 25 to 50 mg of Chantix did not behave in the same way x 2, they hid it from the public - for SIX months. Can you imagine the grief for those on that extended dose and for the families around them that they were not getting better at all? I'd be very suspect. OK we might not know the long term effects of vaping. We do have experience with long term smoking, and we know what an antibiotic does (kills the bad bacteria in your bod that's making you sick) - but using an A-D to mess with the various transmitters in your brains??? Uh....no. I don't think so. Maybe your brother and sister-in-law will at least do some research of their own on Chantix and realise what they're about to let themselves in for before they go a-pill-poppin'? Perhaps ask them to explain to you exactly how they understand Chantix
is going to make them quit?

Yeah I tried this reasoning with them, I told them Yes the parts are made in china, however the juice I use is made in the US and is food grade. But but but the dr said. blah blah blah.

I asked them if they had seen anything on tv stating that an ecig "may lead to suicidal thoughts" and the hadn't. They didn't have an answer for why that was, just that they haven't been around long enough yet to know the long term effects. I explained that no we don't know what 20 years of vaping will do to someone, but it has been around long enough that if there was something that is truly that bad we would know by now.

 

[Michael Friel]

You've simply GOT to win this argument. And the only way to do it is to lead with whats most attractive about vaping: the flavor.
Do you have any Boba's to tempt them with? Legend eliquid, or Grant's custard? Regardless, leave cartos or clearos and ecigs with them and tell them without animosity "You guys are gunna be won over and love ecigs eventually, so I'll just leave these here for you to try for the flavor." And walk away without any expectation. Wait for them to come back apologetically. Ecigs will out. Everytime!

 

[ChiCity]

Everytime I see this conversation pop up I am really bothered. Yes, vaping SEEMS like it should be healthier, but the truth is that it is new technology and we don't really know. It's up to each person as to the risks they take, but everyone is so energetically against the idea that there could be risks here that we don't know about. Most of the studies I have seen are small. People can smoke for 50 years before they get cancer, who knows. If you want to vape, you shouldn't be ridiculed just the same as if you choose not to.

I really can't stand hearing someone called TampaToker69 talking ish about someone who spent 12 years in school to be a doctor.

The healthiest and cheapest method? Stop entirely.

And if you adhere to the principle "If it seems too good to be true, it probably is," then we are all in deep trouble.