Burning Cartomisers? Dangerous?-510/Kr808/4081...etc filler type cartos

[Katya]

Very interesting, Kent. So do you like them? I had my doubts about them because they seemed to be just a variation on the mega eGo cartomizers and I didn't like the plastic taste and the hassle of refilling them. But now I'm intrigued. Vicky told me that they were similar to the eGo cartos and that the ones she tested read 2.7Ω. But if you and LGD like them, I'll certainly give them a try.

In the meantime, I got a lot of new toys myself. I'll report as my tests are more comprehensive, but for now, I can say that the Bauway 510 cartos from madvapes are doing well. Bit hot and noisy for my taste, I prefer the smoother and cooler draw of the Truemans (when they work), but these cartos are solid and no burning despite the heat they generate. I had one going for two days without a glitch.

I also got the new 510 cartos from Good Prophets and they behave just like the Truemans (and look like the Truemans); two burned within minutes, the third one is a dream: beautiful, smooth, rich vape, tons of vapor, nice draw, no noises, clean, crisp taste.

I finally received the XL 510 Tru-Vapor cartos from Ross at Vapors Etc and I'm looking for three more volunteers who will be willing to test them carefully and report their findings. We're looking for experienced carto users, preferably those who use the eGo/Riva/Tornado or 510 batteries. You are certainly welcome to test them on higher voltages too, but we really want to know how they perform on 3.1v. These cartos hold about 2 ml of eliquid. There are no guaratees or replacements. If you get a dud, sorry. This is just a test. I haven't tried mine yet. Please let me know if you are interested--a PM is best. In the interest of full disclosure, I got them from Vapors Etc free of charge; I offered to pay but Ross wouldn't take my money. He said that he just wanted to know how we liked them. I got 6 cartos altogether, 3 are already spoken for.

 

[cozzicon]

Very interesting, Kent. So do you like them? I had my doubts about them because they seemed to be just a variation on the mega eGo cartomizers and I didn't like the plastic taste and the hassle of refilling them. But now I'm intrigued. Vicky told me that they were similar to the eGo cartos and that the ones she tested read 2.7Ω. But if you and LGD like them, I'll certainly give them a try.

In the meantime, I got a lot of new toys myself. I'll report as my tests are more comprehensive, but for now, I can say that the Bauway 510 cartos from MadVapes are doing well. Bit hot and noisy for my taste, I prefer the smoother and cooler draw of the Truemans (when they work), but these cartos are solid and no burning despite the heat they generate. I had one going for two days without a glitch.

I also got the new 510 cartos from Good Prophets and they behave just like the Truemans (and look like the Truemans); two burned within minutes, the third one is a dream: beautiful, smooth, rich vape, tons of vapor, nice draw, no noises, clean, crisp taste.

I finally received the XL 510 Tru-Vapor cartos from Ross at Vapors Etc and I'm looking for three more volunteers who will be willing to test them carefully and report their findings. We're looking for experienced carto users, preferably those who use the eGo/Riva/Tornado or 510 batteries. You are certainly welcome to test them on higher voltages too, but we really want to know how they perform on 3.1v. These cartos hold about 2 ml of eliquid. There are no guaratees or replacements. If you get a dud, sorry. This is just a test. I haven't tried mine yet. Please let me know if you are interested--a PM is best. In the interest of full disclosure, I got them from Vapors Etc free of charge; I offered to pay but Ross wouldn't take my money. He said that having you guys test them is worth a lot to him, so there. I got 6 cartos altogether, 3 are already spoken for, three more to go.

I'm actually using 4 out of a batch of 15 I received. Thus far, after four refills on one, it tastes like a 510 atty. No vapor reduction. No problems. No weird taste.

I'm quite pleased so far. If the cartomizer continues to perform after a large number of refills they could, perhaps, replace my use of atomizers. Seriously. I'm shocked.

I'm going to give it a week and then do a video review. But thus far I'm pretty jazzed about these.

 

[Katya]

Cozzicon, how do they compare to the mega eGo cartos? Have you tried those? Just curious.

Oh, well. I guess I'm going to place my order. I have to try them.

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House: I was curious. Since I'm not a cat, that's not dangerous.

 

[Lightgeoduck]

<Kents post that cozzicon qouted as well>

I'm actually using 4 out of a batch of 15 I received. Thus far, after four refills on one, it tastes like a 510 atty. No vapor reduction. No problems. No weird taste.

I'm quite pleased so far. If the cartomizer continues to perform after a large number of refills they could, perhaps, replace my use of atomizers. Seriously. I'm shocked.

I'm going to give it a week and then do a video review. But thus far I'm pretty jazzed about these.

Kent-- Thanks for giving me the visual so when I do get a chance to vape one I have a quasi-idea of what's going on

Cozz, Katya

I feel with Cozz's and Kent's comments I might be rather pleased with these new Joye 510 cartos.. (and I might have a pleasant experience with the ego cartos as well)
I don't normally get excited with "new" things pre-trial, but if these taste like dripping on an atty I will definitely put this as one of my continuous returns in my vape session rotations

I am getting pre-filled Marl 510 cartos so I can get a "first" experience prior to any refill attempts... we (I) shall see though.

Sidebar:
right now I am currently trying out the G120 cigar cartomizers and pipe cartos from nhaler...I am using them on my bulli-smoker vr4 they are built like the regular GreenCig cartos (kr8 type) but hold a hella amount of juice .. I haven't refilled the disposables, but I am using the filler cart that is inside them for my A1 atty and it holds 85 drops easy..

Here is my first impressions http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...li-basic-vr4-a1-atty-replaceable-element.html
I have to find time to do a revisit plus to show off the G120 cigar & pipe cartos...
This might not be everyones cup of tea due to the size and it uses a "jack" type connection as suppose to popular model connections(that and GC is a bit pricey).. With that being said they do have it's place IMO

 

[Quick1]

Joye 510 carto from cignot....

Just ordered 3 packs of blanks. I hope they come with filling instructions ...with pics

 

[Kent C]

Let me be clear When I say that a 2.8Ω atty or carto vapes like a 2.1Ω atty or carto, doesn't mean that I'd prefer it over the 510 atty or lower resistance atty or carto. And the new one metering in at 3.0Ω isn't encouraging.

Here's my assessment on the pros and cons.

Pros
- the fact that the coil isn't wrapped in a shroud that can burn.
- the fact that the filler isn't a cloth rolled up that can burn.
- the polyfil used doesn't burn - or I haven't seen evidence of that - just the opposite - near pristine shape after heavy vaping.
- there's no 'center hole' to avoid because of flooding.
- vapor, even on the 3.0, is good - 2.8 was better - duh
- no need to ream a cone for use on the eGo/Riva/Tornado
- like the mega eGo carto, if you remove the mid cap with offsetting holes, you can refill with a syringe or needle tip bottle directly through the hole on the top cap without removing anything - but you should have an idea of how much you need to refill. It appears that it uses about .8ml - 1ml. I filled a syringe with 1.1 ml and got some overflow at the very end - The fact that you can "fill/overfill" through the air channel without flooding is a plus.
- The fact that the length is longer than most cartos helps avoid any 'lip blocking' of the cone and it runs a bit cooler being further away from the coil, it seems. The need for a drip tip for heat is eliminated.
- fairly easy draw (could be a con for some)....
- the base of the plastic by the batt connection is staying rather cool. I'm unsure where the plasticy taste from one session with the first one came from - I'm purposely power vaping the current one to see if I can recreate that - which would be a 'con', of course. So far nothing.

Cons
- you have to use a syringe or needle tip bottle and remove two parts to fill properly
- you have to use a syringe or needle tip bottle to fill properly ;-) iow, this is a biggie.
- smaller capacity than the megas.

[long side comment here - I had absolutely no problems with either the mega eGo carto or the mega eGo atty/cart combo - both 2.5ml (and am currently favoring the cone/atty/cart - 1.5ml - for going out - the cone/atty (and the mega) eliminates the need to unscrew both atty and cone and the airflow while not as tight as a regular cone, still gets some 'preheat' in the chamber around the connection). For me they all vape virtually the same. I never had a 'plastic problem' at all - I keep everything soaked - just short of flooding. Because of this, and the simplicity of the atty/cart combo for filling AND the huge capacity of all three mega and cone options, no smaller carto or atty/cart combo competes* with those three choices. Further, the atty/cart combos win over the mega eGo carto simply on ease of filling and not having a needle around even if blunt ;-) Around home, no problem of course - which is why I still have my original mega eGo carto going. (soon to surgery though just out of curiosity).

*when I want the most vapor with flavor, the Provapes, 1.6Ω LR attys/carto still rule on the eGo, except where 'duration' is a consideration. IOW, my main vape at home is still the eGo with an LR atty, or the Bartleby with a regular 510 atty or the 1.8Ω carto with a drip tip where I fill directly through the drip tip.

Cons (continued)....
- the ohms could be lower for my flavors
- so far no drip tip fits the end - diameter too small - likely some will come to market and it isn't as big a factor as with short metal walls.
- as suspected from the epoxy/silicone in the base of the batt connector as I described the 'tiers' in my last post - no straight shot through - the bottom feed needle of the wetbox doesn't fit - I didn't try to force it. (this is likely a 'pro' for those without a bottom feeder mod, in that there's no straight through channel so less likely to leak and while on the last overfill I did have some leaking, with regular fills I experienced none.)

IOW, esp. with regard to the 'long side note' - I'll likely not be buying more. But I'll likely not be buying more cartos either, other than the E2 for the Wetbox and perhaps the LR Provapes. My intent is to improve the modifications of the mega eGo atty to fit the Bartleby and Protege with better control on airflow with cutting the skirt flush with the bodies of the Bart/Protege and making similar rectangular cutouts as is on the bottom of the mega and cone/attys.

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Dr. Cameron: You're lucky he didn't die.
House: I'm lucky? He's the one who didn't die.

 

[nicnac]

Nice review Mr. C (as usual).

 

[Kent C]

Nice review Mr. C (as usual).

Thanks nic.....

 

[ImYourSalt]

great, thanks!

Any tips on getting the "go to first unread post" button to work. It only shows up on threads with new posts (and they're in bold) but when I press it, it takes me to the first post of the thread (#1)

to tell you the truth, for over a year now, i've had no idea a "go to first unread post" button even existed! most intriguing! I have always just hit the "last post" button and scrolled backwards to find where i left off. i must investigate further...

and nice work Kent C. Maybe you should PM Katya for one of those XL trueman cartos. Even if cartos arent your thing, i'm sure we'd all benefit from your opinions. do it for science!

 

[cozzicon]

Cozzicon, how do they compare to the mega eGo cartos? Have you tried those? Just curious.

Oh, well. I guess I'm going to place my order. I have to try them.
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I have both the eGoMega cartomizers and these new 510s. The Megas give off insane vapor and are excellent... but hit a little too strong for me. I use any of the Mega stuff for those times when I want a real hit.

The 510 cartomizers vape just like an atty. Same taste, a little looser draw, same temp, good vape length, and feel good on my eGo. I do not have any complaints thus far.

I just loaded up all 15 of mine with my juices and am vaping through them. If they hold up I might say goodbye to atties.

Very impressed at 48 hours. Let's see where I am in a week.

 

[cozzicon]

<Kents post that cozzicon qouted as well>



Kent-- Thanks for giving me the visual so when I do get a chance to vape one I have a quasi-idea of what's going on

Cozz, Katya

I feel with Cozz's and Kent's comments I might be rather pleased with these new Joye 510 cartos.. (and I might have a pleasant experience with the ego cartos as well)
I don't normally get excited with "new" things pre-trial, but if these taste like dripping on an atty I will definitely put this as one of my continuous returns in my vape session rotations

I am getting pre-filled Marl 510 cartos so I can get a "first" experience prior to any refill attempts... we (I) shall see though.

Duck,

Based on my read of your past comments you will like them. In fact if you like 510 atties- I think it's a win.

I have recently purchased a kr808-1d system and have tried a couple of cartos that were recommended. They always bake the bejesus out of the juice. I like the design and everything. But can't stand the taste. I've been recommended to try coolcarts??

These 510s- well they are coolish vapor like the 510... and seem to taste great.

Can;t wait to review them. I'm pretty sold at the moment.. I just want to see how the refills go. That is key since I basically keep atomizers going for months.

 

[Lightgeoduck]

Duck,

Based on my read of your past comments you will like them. In fact if you like 510 atties- I think it's a win.

I have recently purchased a kr808-1d system and have tried a couple of cartos that were recommended. They always bake the bejesus out of the juice. I like the design and everything. But can't stand the taste. I've been recommended to try coolcarts??

These 510s- well they are coolish vapor like the 510... and seem to taste great.

Can;t wait to review them. I'm pretty sold at the moment.. I just want to see how the refills go. That is key since I basically keep atomizers going for months.

You may be right.. now I am quasi-picky buy somewhat easily satisifed .. and love all of my models at the right time and purpose.
I haven't had issues with the "traditional" cartos but they do have to soak for the night to get the best experience and continuously topped off... so I guess they are the perfect .5ml cartos

I love them in my AFSv2 modified.
The coolcarts will preserve the flavor a bit more since the resistance is higher than norm, BUT nowhere near the "atty experience"

I love taking the filler out as well and turning them into kr8 atties.. they aren't as durable,, but hey when you have 100s of them to lay with

I also love the traditional cartos since I can use just about all of it's parts for other vaping projects and tricks (like that darn rubber grommet is multi-purpose)

NOW TOPIC AT HAND>.... after reading your posts you don't seem like a "fanboy" so I am assuming you don't blindly boost up products so your comments on these new 510 cartos along with Kent's I foresee positive reviews on my end (even if they turn out not being my primary)..... of course I will hold off to any solid statements until AFTER I try them out ..since that seems like the best thing one should do


Thanks for your input...


LGD

 

[cozzicon]

NOW TOPIC AT HAND>.... after reading your posts you don't seem like a "fanboy" so I am assuming you don't blindly boost up products so your comments on these new 510 cartos along with Kent's I foresee positive reviews on my end (even if they turn out not being my primary)..... of course I will hold off to any solid statements until AFTER I try them out ..since that seems like the best thing one should do
LGD

Thank you for that. Fanboism is something I tend to avoid.

Credit where due... yes. But I'll take that comment as moderate praise, and pack it away with my trophies

 

[Kent C]

and nice work Kent C. Maybe you should PM Katya for one of those XL trueman cartos. Even if cartos arent your thing, i'm sure we'd all benefit from your opinions. do it for science!

Thanks Salt. Actually Katya did send me some trueman cartos (not sure if they were XL though...) I had one dud - gone in 3 minutes and was doing well on another when she wrote me to not use it - vendor said 'bad batch' - so I took it off the eGo/Riva and put it on a Protege (less damage possible ;-) ... It vaped well at 2.5Ω good vapor, good flavor. It lasted a while - week? and then started getting thin on the vapor. My Provapes LRs get the best vapor and flavor and I've only lost one of them. Others still going but as you may or may not know I have 10 PVs going at a time so the 'work load' is split up. Only if I'm beta'ing something will I lay off the others - like for the mega eGo cartos and attys that Scott and I had early on.

 

[Katya]

Hi, folks. A quick update after three days of playing with my new toys:

Bauway 510 2.5Ω on a Riva: surprisingly good. Very nice draw, plenty of warm vapor, gets better after a couple of refills. The first one out of the box has been going strong for three days without any deterioration in flavor (well, maybe a little) or vapor. Feels like a LR carto. Almost too harsh for me, at times; I like cooler vapes. This is based on one carto only, mind you, so who knows what the next one will be like, but so far I'm impressed.

Tru-Vapor 510 2.5Ω on a Riva: my favorite 510 cartomizer. Cooler and softer vape than the Bauway, mild and pleasant, absolutely delightful--when it works well. When you get a dud, it dies quickly (see below). It's very frustrating. But when it's good, it's really good. Right now I'm vaping one filled with Lotus flower from DV (thank you, Kent) and it's lovely.

Boge 510 cartos, 3.0Ω, on a Riva: bland, wispy, airy (even with one airhole plugged), solid, no burning, long-lasting, boring. Not much better on 3.7v.

SLB 2.6Ω on a Riva: I had one good one of of five, thus far. Overstuffed, no airflow through the carto, suffocated coil, no proper wicking.

GP 510 3.0Ω on a Riva: meh.

LGD, how's that Marl from Janty? I want to order prefilled too, just to get an idea what they vape like before I start messing with them, but I'm not sure whether to get Marl or menthol. I got one eGo giant filled with RY4 and I didn't care for it at all.

I'm going to give it a week and then do a video review. But thus far I'm pretty jazzed about these.

Let us know when it's ready, will you?

Lord...make me pure....just not right now. <WHERE is the little grinning green guy?????>

Hey, Lorikay, been reading St. Augustine lately?

Thanks Salt. Actually Katya did send me some trueman cartos (not sure if they were XL though...) I had one dud - gone in 3 minutes .

No good deed goes unpunished.

Nice review. Thanks.

 

[Lightgeoduck]

Katya I am not really sure about the Marl... I am going to assume it is at least vapeable , but to be honest the only time I vape china stuff instead of my DIY is 555 and even with that I add a touch of Duck to it

 

[nicnac]

Tru-Vapor 510 2.5Ω on a Riva: my favorite 510 cartomizer. Cooler and softer vape than the Bauway, mild and pleasant, absolutely delightful--when it works well. When you get a dud, it dies quickly (see below). It's very frustrating. But when it's good, it's really good. Right now I'm vaping one filled with Lotus flower from DV (thank you, Kent) and it's lovely.

I'm vaping one for 4 days and its holding pretty good.

He's got a labor day special going. 20% off everything. If you haven't tried his juice, I would highly recommend Vanilla Clove & Captain Jack. If you are a hardcore clove lover you might want to try his clove also.

Coupon code: labor

 

[zelda]

Hey honeys I'm home! Good reviews on the new Joye 510 cartos - I'm curious how long these end up lasting and how good the performance holds up after time. I'm impressed if the flavor is like that of an atty. I ended up by less than impressed with the Ego cartos - poor quality control. plastic taste and lasting a day to 4 days.

Katya thanks for the reviews. Those Bauway 510 2.5Ω sound great. Be nice to see how they those work out.
Too bad about the SLB 2.6Ω - I thought it would be better.

I'm using a E2 510XL {ed2) and what a difference between this and the regular size. Big improvement with the XL size. Not only does it hold more liquid but much more vapor and flavor. As much vapor as I got using the Ego cartos. No metallic taste either so far.

I'm also trying out the edition 3 E2s on the 808. Pretty good except for an infrequent harsh taste.


House: "Continue to say nothing if you agree."

 

[cozzicon]

Let us know when it's ready, will you?

Ok- here's a first take on them, and the eGoMega cartos...

YouTube - Joye 510/eGoMega Cartomizer First Impressions

 

[Quick1]

Let me be clear When I say that a 2.8Ω atty or carto vapes like a 2.1Ω atty or carto, doesn't mean that I'd prefer it over the 510 atty or lower resistance atty or carto. And the new one metering in at 3.0Ω isn't encouraging.

It is for me (and my BB).

Here's my assessment on the pros and cons.

I can deal with that. Thanks for the review.

to tell you the truth, for over a year now, i've had no idea a "go to first unread post" button even existed! most intriguing! I have always just hit the "last post" button and scrolled backwards to find where i left off. i must investigate further...

This is a HUGE time and hassle saver. It remembers where you left off (even if you don't). One click and it places you right at the next unread post (well, when it's working). You don't even have to scroll to it. Big deal for fast moving threads that may have gained pages of posts since you left off.