Burning Cartomisers? Dangerous?-510/Kr808/4081...etc filler type cartos

[nicnac]

No i didn't miss that post. But I didn't know that they are the same cartos. I've tried the Provape's SLB 510 LRs a few months ago and I thought they were ok. The ones from COV seemed to have easier & cleaner draw, less filler. But again we all know how two identical cartos could give two completely different experience.
Thats why this thread is over 300 pages long.

 

[Katya]

No i didn't miss that post. But I didn't know that they are the same cartos. I've tried the Provape's SLB 510 LRs a few months ago and I thought they were ok. The ones from COV seemed to have easier & cleaner draw, less filler. But again we all know how two identical cartos could give two completely different experience.
Thats why this thread is over 300 pages long.

They may be different. Bruce said they were made exclusively for CoV, but wouldn't disclose who makes them. Just said they were not Boge. That's all I know.

Good night, ya'll. We'll resume this conversation tomorrow. I'm falling asleep.

 

[Neo]

I've tried both the CoolCarts and the WOWs - at least I think I have - I got one pack of CoolCarts, and one pack that are not labelled as either Cool or WOW, and the people on the V4L subforum say that those might be either, or a mix of both, depending on what they needed to clear out of stock. A few of those, however, seem to have noticeably higher vapor production and flavor than the others, so I'm assuming they're WOWs. I liked those the best, but the CoolCarts are pretty good too, so they're what I've been using since I started reading this thread and getting paranoid about burning.

Welcome from me too!

Ok, the ones that you got that weren't labeled...they must have been prefilled? What flavor? The flavor might help to track down if this was one of their old cartos (standard that the associate was referring to really but these aren't used much anymore).

From what I understand about V4L their WOW cartos are what they used to call premiums. Don't confuse WOW juice with WOW cartos. The juice is a different issue. WOW aka Premiums run hot and are easier to burn.

Cool Carts, also available in the same or extremely similar models from other vendors, run cooler and are harder to burn.

Probability runs very high that if you do not top off, you'll burn 'em. Sorry, but that's how they roll.

 

[Neo]

Saltie, that thing is something else. It looks like it holds a gallon of juice. Get a shot with your hand for reference, will ya?

 

[kodos96]

Br is our resident expert on the CE2 R4; he knows them inside out and I'm sure will be happy to answer your questions.

Holy Grail? Hmmm...

OK, I just started digging in to the reading material on the CE2(R4), and while I haven't gotten too deep into it yet, from what I've gathered so far, it does sound kinda vaguely Holy-Grailish..... what's the catch? It sounds like it has no filler material to burn, so does that mean that the burning issue has actually been completely eliminated? Can the wick burn (when used at 3.7v on an ordinary batt?) How many refills can you give it before it goes bad? What does "going bad" even mean if there's nothing to burn? Everyone seems to say it produces great vapor and flavor, but compared to what? To standard 808s? To HR 808s like my CoolCarts? Pretty much the only downside I've seen is that you need a syringe to refill them... but unlike the Greencig carts, they were actually designed to be filled this way, so it doesn't look nearly as intimidating.

What am I overlooking? Cause unless I'm missing something, it sounds like the "burning issue" is now a Solved Problem.

 

[kodos96]

Welcome from me too!

Ok, the ones that you got that weren't labeled...they must have been prefilled? What flavor? The flavor might help to track down if this was one of their old cartos (standard that the associate was referring to really but these aren't used much anymore).

It was a tobacco sampler pack, and the one that seemed the most different from the coolCarts was the "Dunhall" flavor.... and one other, I can't remember which. I guess it doesn't really matter though whether they're Cools of WOWs, since I've determined that neither of them is burn-resistant enough to satisfy me, so they're only temporary.

Probability runs very high that if you do not top off, you'll burn 'em. Sorry, but that's how they roll.

Yeah, that's what I'm doing for now, until I figure out what cart can give me a similar level of performance without requiring constant topping off (CE2-R4 perhaps?) and order some.

 

[tiburonfirst]

something, it sounds like the "burning issue" is now a Solved Problem.

not really, since there is still the burned residue issue from the juice accumulating on the wick which means you have to clean and dryburn them

 

[nicnac]

They may be different. Bruce said they were made exclusively for CoV, but wouldn't disclose who makes them. Just said they were not Boge. That's all I know.

Good night, ya'll. We'll resume this conversation tomorrow. I'm falling asleep.

The ones that Bruce says were made exclusively for COV have SLB written on over them. So are the Provapes. Same res.
your good.

 

[Neo]

It was a tobacco sampler pack, and the one that seemed the most different from the coolCarts was the "Dunhall" flavor.... and one other, I can't remember which. I guess it doesn't really matter though whether they're Cools of WOWs, since I've determined that neither of them is burn-resistant enough to satisfy me, so they're only temporary.

Ok, if it was the sampler that cost $7.50 those are the old "standard" cartos. They are the worst of the worst.

Also, I just read the thread you linked to earlier and these are the ones with the hard glued in caps. If so, those are definitely the old school cartos.

 

[Kent C]

The ones that Bruce says were made exclusively for COV have SLB written on over them. So are the Provapes. Same res.
your good.

Just some more info here. The original cartos from Provapes metered out (and were promoted as) 1.5ohms. They came in the generic type white box with the 'atomized cartridge' white filled font - but that's the same box that Nhalers 3.4ohm carto came in Later they had the "1.6-1.7ohm" cartos and then the 1.8 which they have now. I haven't bought the 1.8ohm from Provapes. The 1.8ohm from COV came in a light green box with "SGS" on them with a leaf... 'super mini cigarette atomized cartridge' - and I'm thinking that the box and product doesn't mix. All above that I had, had 'gold threading'.

 

[Katya]

OK, I just started digging in to the reading material on the CE2(R4), and while I haven't gotten too deep into it yet, from what I've gathered so far, it does sound kinda vaguely Holy-Grailish..... what's the catch? It sounds like it has no filler material to burn, so does that mean that the burning issue has actually been completely eliminated? Can the wick burn (when used at 3.7v on an ordinary batt?) How many refills can you give it before it goes bad? What does "going bad" even mean if there's nothing to burn? Everyone seems to say it produces great vapor and flavor, but compared to what? To standard 808s? To HR 808s like my CoolCarts? Pretty much the only downside I've seen is that you need a syringe to refill them... but unlike the Greencig carts, they were actually designed to be filled this way, so it doesn't look nearly as intimidating.

What am I overlooking? Cause unless I'm missing something, it sounds like the "burning issue" is now a Solved Problem.

Yes and no. Those E2 R4 cartos still have a lot of problems and, in my experience, at least, don't work well out of the box. Some are filled with nasty tasting primer liquid and thus require initial cleaning and a dry burn, which is a major PITA. And the wicking is inconsistent at best--not all juices work well in those cartos, so you can only get really good results after modding them, ptb is the recommended method, unless you want to build a BR mod, or a syringe mod. Then there are issues with the wick itself, occasional leaking, the crud buildup and other minor things; it's all described in the other thread.

Basically, my advice would be to just order a bunch of different cartos and test them. I'd start with ordering a box of Turbos from VaporNine (last time I tested them, they metered out at 3.1Ω, which is much better than the 3.5Ω (that was the CC resistance mentioned on the V4L thread). You may also try the Boge kr808 from LiteCig, they should be the same as Turbos (but cheaper). If you really want to try LR cartos on your V4L batteries, Vapors Etc now carries Boge LR kr808 cartos (1.8-2.2Ω), but that is, IMO, way too hot. A 1.8Ω carto on a 3.7v battery generates 7.6W of heat (power), which is very hot. I like the 4 Watts range, but that is, of course, my personal preference.

This little calculator might help:

Online Conversion - Ohm's Law Calculator

And get a box of E2 kr808 from either VaporJunction or Clouds of Vapor. Give them a try and let us know what you think.

And if you're considering eGo/Riva, the best deal right now can be found at Liberty Flights. They're offering a Riva starter kit for 30 bucks (for ECF members). They are temporarily out of stock, but they will be getting more. [Talk to Ty and tell him that Katya sent you.

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[Katya]

The ones that Bruce says were made exclusively for COV have SLB written on over them. So are the Provapes. Same res.
your good.

Aha! Thanks for letting us know. We'll add this to the list. And they don't burn? Are you using them on your eGo?

 

[kodos96]

Ok, if it was the sampler that cost $7.50 those are the old "standard" cartos. They are the worst of the worst.

Also, I just read the thread you linked to earlier and these are the ones with the hard glued in caps. If so, those are definitely the old school cartos.

It wasn't a $7.50 clearance pack, it was off the main "Premium" page... but the caps were hard and I think glued in... they were a PITA to get out... although I wasn't using an appropriate tool... but it did feel like they were glued in.

They tasted and vaped better than the coolcarts, but also got burn-flavored quicker.

 

[Kent C]

kodos96:OK, I just started digging in to the reading material on the CE2(R4), and while I haven't gotten too deep into it yet, from what I've gathered so far, it does sound kinda vaguely Holy-Grailish..... what's the catch? It sounds like it has no filler material to burn, so does that mean that the burning issue has actually been completely eliminated? Can the wick burn (when used at 3.7v on an ordinary batt?)

No, but as tib mentions, you can get a build up around the coil - but you would get that with regular atomizers as well. Dry burning helps a lot and you simply don't inhale while dry burning. See badkolo's video here:

YouTube - Dry burn on E2 RoyalSmokers Cartomizer(Wick does NOT burn)

...the wick doesn't burn - I've autopsied and soaked in vodka and they come out white.


How many refills can you give it before it goes bad? What does "going bad" even mean if there's nothing to burn? Everyone seems to say it produces great vapor and flavor, but compared to what? To standard 808s? To HR 808s like my CoolCarts?

My personal opinion on KR8 cartos were as someone has mentioned - vaping ejuice that has been strained through a dirty tshirt - ymmv but you won't get that with the E2's. The one thing that seems to be a problem with some XL's is that they lose flavor either because (in some reported cases) the wick is too short or that the wicking doesn't keep up with power vaporers. It's because of that I only use standard size.

Pretty much the only downside I've seen is that you need a syringe to refill them... but unlike the Greencig carts, they were actually designed to be filled this way, so it doesn't look nearly as intimidating.

I don't care for the fill procedure but the E2's work well for me, on the Wetbox (and I'd assume any other bottom feeding mod). While I still do the initial fill of the carto with the supplied needle tip bottle from the Wetbox, all 'refilling' after that is done with a squeeze of the bottle thereby eliminating the biggest 'downside' (imo) of the E2's. I don't use them on any other PV now (although I did in testing them). I find the mega eGo atty and cart to be the best solution for the eGos I have since it provides almost as much ejuice as the E2 - 2.5ml vs. 3ml bottle in the Wetbox

 

[kodos96]

Yes and no. Those E2 R4 cartos still have a lot of problems....

Hmmm... several of the reviews I've read/watched have mentioned the problems you bring up, but said that they were issues with the previous revision that had been fixed in R4. I'm not saying you're wrong, just that it's frustrating that there's so much conflicting information out there. In general, I trust the regulars on this thread more than some random youtube reviewer.... it's too bad though - I was starting to get excited I had found a solution and could stop wasting time researching e-cigs and get down to vaping them.... If only analogs required this much effort devoted to getting into them, nobody would've ever gotten addicted in the first place

...it's all described in the other thread...

You mean the thread that's already up to 300 pages? Yeah... I'll get right on that just as soon as I'm through with this thread.... sometime next month kidding... I'm probably going to give up on my quest of getting through the entire backlog of this thread, since you've been so helpful in summarizing.

I guess my next step will be to order a box of CE2s and a box of Turbo's and try them out like you recommend.

...And if you're considering eGo/Riva...

Nope, not yet anyway. I need an e-cig that can pass as an analog well enough that I can vape it at work without getting funny stares and questions. Once I've settled on an e-cig setup suitable for those purposes, then I may start looking into a larger unit for use around the house, but first I need to get my at-work vaping needs sorted out.

 

[Katya]

My personal opinion on KR8 cartos were as someone has mentioned - vaping ejuice that has been strained through a dirty tshirt - ymmv but you won't get that with the E2's.

Yuck!

I find the mega eGo atty and cart to be the best solution for the eGos I have since it provides almost as much ejuice as the E2 - 2.5ml vs.

What's your favorite mod for the eGo mega attys. I've been experimenting with several. Just curious what an expert does.

 

[Katya]

Nope, not yet anyway. I need an e-cig that can pass as an analog well enough that I can vape it at work without getting funny stares and questions. Once I've settled on an e-cig setup suitable for those purposes, then I may start looking into a larger unit for use around the house, but first I need to get my at-work vaping needs sorted out.

Sounds like a plan. Good luck! And keep us posted.

This is the thread run by the experts. They know and they are in constant touch with the manufacturer. I trust them.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...kers-c-e2-r4-review-tips-info-help-video.html

For now, I'm going to play with the E2s I've got while patiently waiting for R11 (hello, Quick!

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[Quick1]

Nope, not yet anyway. I need an e-cig that can pass as an analog well enough that I can vape it at work without getting funny stares and questions. Once I've settled on an e-cig setup suitable for those purposes, then I may start looking into a larger unit for use around the house, but first I need to get my at-work vaping needs sorted out.

Did you say you had tried the genuine Joye 510 cartomizers? You should add those to your sampler box too (they do require a syringe to fill)

 

[Katya]

Did you say you had tried the genuine Joye 510 cartomizers? You should add those to your sampler box too (they do require a syringe to fill)

And an adapter, because he uses kr808 batteries. A kr808>510 adapter will let you try 510 cartos on your kr8 batts.

 

[Kent C]

Katya:Yuck!

A few exceptions to that was the mocha frap., cognac, french pipe....



What's your favorite mod for the eGo mega attys. I've been experimenting with several. Just curious what an expert does.

All have the straw mod using the Johnson&Johnson plastic qtip shaft (safety swabs) cut on diagonal top (to better avoid the bridge) and bottom about a 1/16th shorter than the cart well. And since I find the polyfil in the Joye mega carts better than 'normal' I now prefer that over the blue foam. I cut about half of the total length off so it isn't a 'plug' - like I was using the blue foam, so 1/2 of the cart well is juice only. I think this set up wicks better than no straw mod. I still chuckle when I can squeeze two or more dropper fulls of DV ejuice into the polyfill without 'dripping' it drop by drop. I fill until all bubbles come up through the straw and the top is still 'textured' (not one big bubble - which is overfill). While one can vape for hours this way - I timed it on beta and refilled close to 5 hours later, in practice, I still do the 'refill on first sign of loss of flavor' so I can still go, say 1.5-2.5 hours doing it that way.

As far as other mods to the mega eGo atty - I did try cutting the skirt but that gets tricky even with the right tools. For now I just use a 510 to 901 and a 901 to 510 adapter to use with the Bartleby. There's a gap and I've put in requests for a 510 to 510 adapter that isn't as long as the eGo charger adapter. But it simply isn't a problem. When out - I have the eGos and the wetbox.