Burning Cartomisers? Dangerous?-510/Kr808/4081...etc filler type cartos

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Neo got her kr808 cartos from Vapors Etc. recently (she mentions Thankgiving sale) and they are listed as Tru-Kr808, so they must be Truemans. I'm sure his last batch of kr808s had a vertical coil but they were good. According to the website, Ross's kr808 cartos should have a vertical coil: "3.3 ohms; Vertical Coil; Soft Tip." If Neo's cartos have a horizontal coil it means they switched the design again, possibly without even notifying Ross. That wouldn't surprise me, though. Neo, are you positive that those Tru-Kr8 cartos from Vapors Etc. have a horizontal coil? Did you actually take one apart? Sometimes that coil is buried in the filler so it's hard to tell.

I'm still vaping it but I should be done with it tomorrow and will take it apart and report for sure.

Yes, I just got them Monday.

The air hole is very large so I should be able to see the wire if it's vertical.

Ross said Trueman switched them to a horizontal (the old switcheroo again!) and when these are gone is looking for a replacement, i.e., not Trueman.
 

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Nic, every Bauway I have ever tried had a vertical coil. I had a couple of boxes from his old batch and a box from his new batch. Every single one of them had a vertical coil.

Neo got her kr808 cartos from Vapors Etc. recently (she mentions Thankgiving sale) and they are listed as Tru-Kr808, so they must be Truemans. I'm sure his last batch of kr808s had a vertical coil but they were good. According to the website, Ross's kr808 cartos should have a vertical coil: "3.3 ohms; Vertical Coil; Soft Tip." If Neo's cartos have a horizontal coil it means they switched the design again, possibly without even notifying Ross. That wouldn't surprise me, though. Neo, are you positive that those Tru-Kr8 cartos from Vapors Etc. have a horizontal coil? Did you actually take one apart? Sometimes that coil is buried in the filler so it's hard to tell.




The only horizontal coils I recall were in the following cartos:

-SmokeStik 4081
-Trueman 4081
-GP 4081
-All SLB 510

The very first 510 Trueman cartos I got from Vapors Etc. had a vertical wire; I'm trying to remember if the Trueman 510s were ever manufactured with a horizontal coil, but I'm not sure. I vaguely remember that I got a Truemans 510 carto from Tib's co-op, months ago, in one of my wild carto exchanges, and I thought it had a horizontal coil, but I may be wrong.

Yes, every Bauway you have tried has been vertical. But every Buaway I have seen out there lately has Horizontal coil (including the sample you sent me from madvapes). Please don't forget name brands don't mean anything when we're talking about stuff coming from China except the big names like Boge, SLB & Joye. Even Boge has become a general term.

Regarding the 510 Truman Cartos from Vapors etc. Yes they were vertical. I never said they were horizontal. :p

I've found a new supplier that has a very good selection of cartos and very good pricing. He also carries Bauway cartos which I ordered some and they look identical to Madvapes NEW bauways which are horizontal.
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I know. But I just inspected a new carto from IKV and it sure looks very much like the Tuofan 510 cartos I got from AZ Smoke Free. The 'good' ones, with the loose filler.
Is this some new batch that you have tried lately? As I recall you did not care for those cartos so much.
Which one is it that you liked. They carry all kinds of different types.
 
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Is this some new batch that you have tried lately? As I recall you did not care for those cartos so much.
Which one is it that you liked. They carry all kinds of different types.

Sorry I wasn't more specific.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...1-etc-filler-type-cartos-318.html#post2251498

I looked at the site you recommended for Bauways. They have two kinds of Bauway 510 cartos: 2.8Ω and LR (1.7Ω). Which ones are you using? The interesting thing is that Madvapes lists their Bauways at 2.5Ω. This is very confusing. I can't imagine that Bauway makes both 2.5 and 2.8Ω 510 cartos...
 

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Honestly, Tib, I wouldn't order 100 cartos from RS yet. They are still fine tuning the design. Check Badkolo's thread. Besides, you have no idea what you're are actually going to get. They have a lot of old/bad inventory to sell. This is just my opinion, though.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...iew-tips-info-help-video-385.html#post2251449

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...iew-tips-info-help-video-386.html#post2253065
 
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Salt, Baby, you know that all the R&D for Royal Smokers is done here by Badkolo, BR, Banjo and all the other sciency guys... They are doing a great job, IMO, and I'm beginning to see some glimmers of light at the end of this tunnel. They are not ready for prime time, and they don't generally work out of the box yet, but some lucky people already got their E2 cartomizers that actually could be filled and vaped as is. I wasn't one of those people, mind you. :facepalm:

I mean, don't some of the people that work there see room for improvement? And don't you think some of them would have the means, or the know how to put those positive changes into place? And wouldn't it be so much faster if they sat down, and really though about it, instead of mass producing large quantities, then selling them all to us, just so we can tell you what's wrong with them?

I just feel like we should be further along than we are with this. I am grateful for all the hard work that has been done, and the progress we've made.
I'm just not satisfied yet. feel me?


Yeah, I took several of them apart and I didn't like what I saw. But they taste great... for awhile. I'm actually surprised, because Joyetech makes good atties; however, they need to improve their cartomizers.

Some people... :p

I know. But I just inspected a new carto from IKV and it sure looks very much like the Tuofan 510 cartos I got from AZ Smoke Free. The 'good' ones, with the loose filler.

Alright. I didn't know AZ sold those... I can't find them.
And how are the Tru-style cartos they carry? I forgot what the consensus was. Are they like the original run? Or a close 2nd?


Are you using 2.0Ω cartos on 180 mAh batteries? How long do the batteries last, 15 minutes? :facepalm:
Surprisingly, those batteries you sent me (I had to keep 'em once I tried these cartos!), are not doing bad at all. 3 of them seems to get me through the day fine. I usually have a RIVA in my pocket, and one on the desk, and one in the carrying case, just in case :)
When the battery runs out though, they don't just blink and die like most batt's. They just give really , ehem, poor hits for a while. Like i'll get a good hit. then nothing, then the next hit is good, but then nothing... not sure if thats how they normally behave, or if it's maybe a little bit of their lifespan running out.

Dont really care though. It's one hell of a hit, for such a small device. And I can vape it like a cigarette. I appreciate manual buttons, but i still dont love them.

Hey Salt!!! Thanks for the info. Time for me to start carto hammering. Glued in wicks!!!

My pleasure, Sweet Cheeks!

I actually just squoze them betwixt a pair of pliers. The atty connector popped right out. I only noticed the glue, when I tried to pull it off, and ended up using scissors to cut the batting, which is also glued into the air channel. weird...

Sorry I wasn't more specific.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...1-etc-filler-type-cartos-318.html#post2251498

I looked at the site you recommended for Bauways. They have two kinds of Bauway 510 cartos: 2.8Ω and LR (1.7Ω). Which ones are you using? The interesting thing is that Madvapes lists their Bauways at 2.5Ω. This is very confusing. I can't imagine that Bauway makes both 2.5 and 2.8Ω 510 cartos...

They will make anything you want, if the money's right. S*, I mean... Heck! If we can get enough people together, We could have Bauway, or Boge, Or whomever make us cartos however we want. We can order a specific resistance, and even tell them to use a fuller that is not so dense. If we want a horizontal coil, I'm sure that's doable too. things like changing the resistances, and the filler should be relatively cheap things to ask for, and not require such a high MOQ. While asking them to make changes to the design or function, make cost more, and have a higher MOQ.

While I have you, Katya, How do you feel about these drip tippy cartos? How are they holding up? I always had these feeling like they were just some gimmick.
 
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I'm just not satisfied yet. feel me?

I feel your pain. :)


Alright. I didn't know AZ sold those... I can't find them.
And how are the Tru-style cartos they carry? I forgot what the consensus was. Are they like the original run? Or a close 2nd?

BR is right. Nobody's paying attention, and Zelda is not even here.
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AZ Smoke Free carries 510 and 4081 cartos made by Tuofan, the same company that makes the drip-style cartos Arjay found some time ago. They don't carry Tuofan drip-style cartos, though. But they are made by the same company, so I examined the innards of drip-tip cartos from IKV and compared them to the Tuofan's 510s, and they do look similar. But, as you said, Isaac likes to tweak his cartos so I have no idea if his drp style cartos are even made by Tuofan. I just find the similarities rather striking.

AZ Smoke Free doesn't carry Tru-style cartos. Only Vapors Etc. does (or did). I had good cartos and very bad cartos from both places (Vapors Etc and AZSF) and I'm tired of playing Russian roulette with my Rivas. I lost three of them due to shorting cartos.

Dont really care though. It's one hell of a hit, for such a small device. And I can vape it like a cigarette. I appreciate manual buttons, but i still dont love them.

Hehe. I'm perfectly capable of draining a Hendu in an hour with 3.4Ω cartos. :evil:

My pleasure, Sweet Cheeks!

I actually just squoze them betwixt a pair of pliers. The atty connector popped right out. I only noticed the glue, when I tried to pull it off, and ended up using scissors to cut the batting, which is also glued into the air channel. weird...

Oh, Zelda! Hello!

[So she is around. That explains things...]

While I have you, Katya, How do you feel about these drip tippy cartos? How are they holding up? I always had these feeling like they were just some gimmick.

I really like them, but they are just... cartos. The DT is a gimmick. You're paying for a new aluminum DT every time you buy a cartomizer. That makes very little sense. And DTs make no sense on cartomizers, to begin with. The DT cartos don't last any longer than any other cartos. The initial nice draw and clean taste begin to deteriorate with time, like with every other carto. The draw stiffens, the gunk accumulates on the coil and begins to interfere with the taste of your juice. If IKV offered them without the drip tips for half the price, I'd probably order more. But 4 bucks a pop is too much. How many drip tips does a girl need?
 

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Sorry I wasn't more specific.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...1-etc-filler-type-cartos-318.html#post2251498

I looked at the site you recommended for Bauways. They have two kinds of Bauway 510 cartos: 2.8Ω and LR (1.7Ω). Which ones are you using? The interesting thing is that Madvapes lists their Bauways at 2.5Ω. This is very confusing. I can't imagine that Bauway makes both 2.5 and 2.8Ω 510 cartos...
I got the 2.8Ω which is identical to Madvapes (advertized 2.5Ω). They both measured at 2.8. Interesting design but a bit overstuffed. It is a horizontal coil but the filler is rapped like a vertical coil carto. SLB hardware & Boge software.
 

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To me both AZ 510s & Vapors etc tru-vapor 510s were identical. both AZ & Vapors etc went through the same experience with their suppliers. The first batches were the ones we liked and after that it was all down hill.
This happens way too often.
I don't think the Chinese manufacturers even bother with specifications. Whenever they take an order, they just go into production with whatever material they have on hand.
 
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Thanks Katya, and NicNac. I might order a couple boxes from AZ, just to quell my curiosity. Plus it's been so long since I had a truman, I think I'm forgetting what they were like.

I figured as much, regarding the drip tippy cartos. I just asked toufan if they are available without drip tips, we should hear back soon.
 

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Thanks Katya, and NicNac. I might order a couple boxes from AZ, just to quell my curiosity. Plus it's been so long since I had a truman, I think I'm forgetting what they were like.

I figured as much, regarding the drip tippy cartos. I just asked toufan if they are available without drip tips, we should hear back soon.

Salt, my love, AZ Smoke Free DOES NOT carry Trueman's cartos. They carry 510 and 4081 cartos made by Tuofan, the same company that makes the giant drip tip cartos discovered by Arjay. They are similar to the Truemans, though, I agree with Nic.
 

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Regarding the 808's I got from Ross...finished one and took it apart. 6 ml of juice and it's almost pristine. It is vertical after all...the wires were hiding in a different construction. They are not visible from the top.

I'll try to take pictures and post tomorrow. I've never seen one built this way before.

The second one I tried was a dud. Bummer.
 

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