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Burning Cartomisers? Dangerous?-510/Kr808/4081...etc filler type cartos
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I let my wife vape off the 555 in this one. She requires more nicotine than me, so it didn't go to waste.
The filler quickly absorbed 35 drops of my sissy juice, which is probably about the right amount. I added 3 more and flooded the atty.
The vapor at 3.1 volts is very good and the taste is acceptable, even though traces of the 555 remain. Naturally, the hit is more to my liking and I expect to enjoy it for the remainder of this test.
One thing that I failed to mention in my previous post. The mouthpiece is made from the silicone looking stuff and the hole is larger than normal. The hole is recessed sort of like a drip tip, so it can be used for that, which seems to be a fad for some users now. However, the hole is a bit smaller than the usual drip tip. Personally, I prefer a cooler vape and using this cartomizer with a conventional drip tip.
The filler quickly absorbed 35 drops of my sissy juice, which is probably about the right amount. I added 3 more and flooded the atty.
The vapor at 3.1 volts is very good and the taste is acceptable, even though traces of the 555 remain. Naturally, the hit is more to my liking and I expect to enjoy it for the remainder of this test.
One thing that I failed to mention in my previous post. The mouthpiece is made from the silicone looking stuff and the hole is larger than normal. The hole is recessed sort of like a drip tip, so it can be used for that, which seems to be a fad for some users now. However, the hole is a bit smaller than the usual drip tip. Personally, I prefer a cooler vape and using this cartomizer with a conventional drip tip.
now where has tweety bird flown to? no post from our katya in quite some time!
Yes, if your VG is diluted to proper vaping consistency. Pure glycerin is pretty much unvapable, so it's always thinned out with some distilled water, PG or even alcohol. I have 100% VG juice from Good Prophets that is as thin as any 100% PG juice. I also have 100% VG juice from Vaperite that is as thick as molasses and won't work properly in any cartomizer.
Cartomizers, in general, perform better with thinner juices, so if your particular brand of all VG juice is too thick, just thin it out a bit.
As you may know, I received the new MaxxFusion Bloog cartomizers and a couple of new 65 mm batteries from Leaford, who asked me to test and review them. I received them free of charge, thank you, Leaford.
Bloog cartomizers are kr808 cartos with a twist. Their internal construction is reminiscent of the 4081 and SLB cartos--they have a horizontal coil, while other kr8 cartos have a vertical coil. They look a bit like this, but with only one layer of rectangular filler wrapped around the center tube. It's a very clever costruction because it separates the hot atomizer coil from the filler material thus decreasing the risk of burning. The filler 'blanket' is nice and porous, wicks very well and isn't wrapped too tightly, which allows a very nice airflow through the carto. I think this is the strongest feature of the Bloog cartomizer, that nice balance between the quick heating of the coil necessary for proper vaporization of the juice and then instant cooling of the coil to prevent overheating. The carto shells never become hot, which means that the heat generated by the atomizeer coil is used efficiently and none is wasted.
These cartos work great out of the box. They are filled properly in the factory: I never found any that were under- or overfilled, which is also rare. One can screw a carto on a battery and vape. They are very responsive, produce tons of vapor, and the flavor is good. No leaking, no dry cartos, no duds. They just work and work well. They are easy to top off/refill, however, I do not use the end cap to drip; maybe it's just old habit, but I don't like the idea of dripping into a cartomizer. I take the carto off of the battery, take off the endcap and carefully drip my juice into the filler. Feels safer that way, especially with auto batteries. Bloog cartos need to be topped off frequently; they go through juice pretty fast, but can be refilled many times without any deterioration of vapor and flavor. I have some here that have vaporized at least 5 or 6 ml each and are still going strong.
When used as intended, Bloog cartomizers work without a glitch with the Bloog auto batteries. I'm not sure what the working voltage of those batteries is, but I have a feeling that it's perhaps a bit less than the standard 3.7v. I don't know that for a fact and I have no way of testing batteries' voltage under load, but it just feels a tad less than the Kangers... Also, those batteries have a 5-sec cut-off, which dramatically decreases any chances of burning the filler. It matters not to me, as I never take puffs longer than 5 sec, but it might matter to the dragons out there....
The problems I encountered with the Bloog cartos resulted mostly from their rather inconsistent ohm readings. They are (were) supposed to be 3.0-3.3Ω, per Leaford, but they are not. The ones I tested, and I took my time, measure, on average, 2.5-2.6Ω, but I had a couple of outliers that were as low as 2.1Ω and as high (but no higher) as 2.8Ω. Well, when I put my 2.1Ω carto on my freshly charged (4.2v) V4L manual battery, the result was a nasty burnt taste. I took the carto apart, inspected the filler--there were no burn marks on the filler and the wick, when washed and torched, returned to its pristine white color. Yes, the wick is burnproof. I held it in an open flame and it just got whiter. So I don't know really where this burnt taste came from, but it was unmistakable. It happened to me with two other cartos, this burnt 'car on fire' taste, but it happened only when I put the LR Bloog cartos on my freshly charged V4L manual batteries. I had no burning taste whatsoever on Bloog auto batteries, V4L auto batteries, on my Rivas/eGos, and on my partially discharged V4L manuals.
I know that Leaford is already aware of the resistance issues and is addressing them. I don't know what the final ohm rating he's going to choose, but I kind of like the 2.6-2.8Ω range with ~3.7v batteries. It's pretty safe and still powerful enough to deliver a good vape.
As for the batteries, they are nice as supermini autos go. I like the matte finish and the switch. However, combined with 2.4 or 2.5Ω cartos, they last less than an hour. It takes me less time to drain a Bloog 65mm battery (220 mAh) than it takes for the spare to recharge.... Which means that one needs to own at least 3 batteries for continuous vaping.
In summary, this is a very nice and user friendly PV and I would gladly recommend it to those vapers who like to have a device that most resembles a real cigarette, if it weren't for the price. I believe that $79.99 for a 2-battery starter kit (with a couple of chargers and a 5-pack of cartomizers) + $7.99 shipping is a bit much. The same goes for the $20 batteries. The cartomizers are priced fairly, 10 bucks for a solid 5-pack with no duds is OK.
My final, unsolicited advice to all vapers new and experienced alike--invest in a good multimeter. You can get a decent one for 10-20 bucks. It's worth it. My vaping life has changed since I finally got mine. Measure the resistance of your carto before you start using it. If it's lower than you expected, adjust your vaping technique or move it to a different PV. Top off early and top off often. Keep it wet and don't overvape. And always keep at least 2 batteries and two different cartos in rotation. The filler in your carto needs time to redistribute the juice and bring it back to the coil after a few puffs, so if you tend to chainvape, rotate your cartos.
Happy vaping!
Bloog cartomizers are kr808 cartos with a twist. Their internal construction is reminiscent of the 4081 and SLB cartos--they have a horizontal coil, while other kr8 cartos have a vertical coil. They look a bit like this, but with only one layer of rectangular filler wrapped around the center tube. It's a very clever costruction because it separates the hot atomizer coil from the filler material thus decreasing the risk of burning. The filler 'blanket' is nice and porous, wicks very well and isn't wrapped too tightly, which allows a very nice airflow through the carto. I think this is the strongest feature of the Bloog cartomizer, that nice balance between the quick heating of the coil necessary for proper vaporization of the juice and then instant cooling of the coil to prevent overheating. The carto shells never become hot, which means that the heat generated by the atomizeer coil is used efficiently and none is wasted.
These cartos work great out of the box. They are filled properly in the factory: I never found any that were under- or overfilled, which is also rare. One can screw a carto on a battery and vape. They are very responsive, produce tons of vapor, and the flavor is good. No leaking, no dry cartos, no duds. They just work and work well. They are easy to top off/refill, however, I do not use the end cap to drip; maybe it's just old habit, but I don't like the idea of dripping into a cartomizer. I take the carto off of the battery, take off the endcap and carefully drip my juice into the filler. Feels safer that way, especially with auto batteries. Bloog cartos need to be topped off frequently; they go through juice pretty fast, but can be refilled many times without any deterioration of vapor and flavor. I have some here that have vaporized at least 5 or 6 ml each and are still going strong.
When used as intended, Bloog cartomizers work without a glitch with the Bloog auto batteries. I'm not sure what the working voltage of those batteries is, but I have a feeling that it's perhaps a bit less than the standard 3.7v. I don't know that for a fact and I have no way of testing batteries' voltage under load, but it just feels a tad less than the Kangers... Also, those batteries have a 5-sec cut-off, which dramatically decreases any chances of burning the filler. It matters not to me, as I never take puffs longer than 5 sec, but it might matter to the dragons out there....
The problems I encountered with the Bloog cartos resulted mostly from their rather inconsistent ohm readings. They are (were) supposed to be 3.0-3.3Ω, per Leaford, but they are not. The ones I tested, and I took my time, measure, on average, 2.5-2.6Ω, but I had a couple of outliers that were as low as 2.1Ω and as high (but no higher) as 2.8Ω. Well, when I put my 2.1Ω carto on my freshly charged (4.2v) V4L manual battery, the result was a nasty burnt taste. I took the carto apart, inspected the filler--there were no burn marks on the filler and the wick, when washed and torched, returned to its pristine white color. Yes, the wick is burnproof. I held it in an open flame and it just got whiter. So I don't know really where this burnt taste came from, but it was unmistakable. It happened to me with two other cartos, this burnt 'car on fire' taste, but it happened only when I put the LR Bloog cartos on my freshly charged V4L manual batteries. I had no burning taste whatsoever on Bloog auto batteries, V4L auto batteries, on my Rivas/eGos, and on my partially discharged V4L manuals.
I know that Leaford is already aware of the resistance issues and is addressing them. I don't know what the final ohm rating he's going to choose, but I kind of like the 2.6-2.8Ω range with ~3.7v batteries. It's pretty safe and still powerful enough to deliver a good vape.
As for the batteries, they are nice as supermini autos go. I like the matte finish and the switch. However, combined with 2.4 or 2.5Ω cartos, they last less than an hour. It takes me less time to drain a Bloog 65mm battery (220 mAh) than it takes for the spare to recharge.... Which means that one needs to own at least 3 batteries for continuous vaping.
In summary, this is a very nice and user friendly PV and I would gladly recommend it to those vapers who like to have a device that most resembles a real cigarette, if it weren't for the price. I believe that $79.99 for a 2-battery starter kit (with a couple of chargers and a 5-pack of cartomizers) + $7.99 shipping is a bit much. The same goes for the $20 batteries. The cartomizers are priced fairly, 10 bucks for a solid 5-pack with no duds is OK.
My final, unsolicited advice to all vapers new and experienced alike--invest in a good multimeter. You can get a decent one for 10-20 bucks. It's worth it. My vaping life has changed since I finally got mine. Measure the resistance of your carto before you start using it. If it's lower than you expected, adjust your vaping technique or move it to a different PV. Top off early and top off often. Keep it wet and don't overvape. And always keep at least 2 batteries and two different cartos in rotation. The filler in your carto needs time to redistribute the juice and bring it back to the coil after a few puffs, so if you tend to chainvape, rotate your cartos.
Happy vaping!
Thanks Katya! Been waiting for this. Once br posts his take, I'll decide whether or not to buy the cartos (and maybe a starter kit for the better half).
Nicely done.
Nicely done.
Wow. That was some detailed review Katya. I think you covered everything I could possibly have asked. Thanks.
You're just burning juice Katya. I'm doing a genisis. It's ALL metal. There isn't anything to burn. I like to run it on the hot side and have been winding my coils for about 1.5-2.0Ω. If you hold the button too long they will glow if there isn't a good amount of air moving over them. The flavor can go from normal to VERY burnt depending on the heat. You're just burning juice. It's like burning caramel on the stove when you're makeing candy apples
Don't hold off because of me, Scott. I've been running one of mine almost full time and have no complaints. I vape it until a dry taste occurs, then top it off with 25 drops and go right back at it. Unlike some filler type cartos that take a while to soak properly, this one has a loose wrap and absorbs the juice almost immediately. Therefore, I have run an untold amount of juice through this thing without any kind of rotation. If I had a complaint, it would be that it keeps me too busy topping it off. But then, the CE2 XL's have spoiled me on that account, and I have almost forgotten what it was like to vape a smaller device.
For the most part, I have been using this one at 3.2 volts on an eGo pass through battery. That is not a fair test for this cartomizer, so I have also been using another one to a lessor extent on a 380 mAh Mega KR808-D battery. As previously stated, this 2.5Ω device is a bit too much for me at 3.7 volts. However, I believe there are a lot of people who will like this combination. So far I have not had a burned taste at this voltage and the vapor should be enough to please anyone in their right mind. Therefore, it seems to me that both a 2.5Ω version and 3.0Ω version should be made available.
Of course, my opinions are based on the juice that I use. I have not tried anything else yet and can't say for certain that I will.
I expect to say more about this product in the near future, and believe that it will be favorable. I doubt if I will buy any with a 2.5Ω resistance, but I'll certainly think seriously about buying a 3.0Ω version. Who knows what I will do once I take one of these things apart to see what makes it tick, heheh.
Right. Not having seen one (except for Katyas linked similar pic), or an autopsy on one, my curiosity runs to adding an extension of some sort (my personal mouthpiece preference) and whether or not they're dry-burn friendly to any extent at all - or they're use-to-performance-fall-off-&-trash. The former curiosity for me, and the latter for the better half's consideration. I've got her on CE2's - but I'm the designated process & dry-burner at rotation-resurrection time because she "won't do it" & I won't let her trash them until they fail. She also wants something "easier" to fill, like her use-only-at-home ringless syringes with the E2 tip "seal". I'm really hoping these will make her "happy"... so I'll wait for your 'favorable' details...
I understand where you are coming from. We shall see.
My wife uses CE2's, but I don't have to dry burn them for her. You won't believe what I'm about to tell you.
She vapes these things like a robot. I don't know how she can stand it, but she keeps puffing on these things until the vapor is completely gone. At this point the coil has burned everything off and it is clean. It took me couple weeks to figure out why she wasn't complaining about the performance dropping off due to a crud buildup.
I asked her about a burned taste and she said, "Well, they don't taste very good." But then, she doesn't really like any e-cig and would rather be smoking the real thing.
As previously stated, I let her vape the 555 out of my Bloog. It was completely dry when she finished and it took 35 drops to fill it. That in itself was a good test for this thing, heheh. It still has about 10 drops in it when I have to top it off.
Katya & BR: THANKS SO MUCH FOR THE REVIEWS!!!
I'm a CE2 XL vaper...so I think I'll wait for an XL bloog. I just got back from a 7 day vaca and took 15 filled E2XLs (almost 2ml/empty carto), vaped my face off and never had to refill/drip. Effortless!! You GOTTA LOVE THAT!! Also, how long do the new Bloog's last (how may refills?). My E2s seem to last forever!!
ScottB: love ur avatar!!
Anyone know if hes working on Bloog XL Cartos?
I'm a CE2 XL vaper...so I think I'll wait for an XL bloog. I just got back from a 7 day vaca and took 15 filled E2XLs (almost 2ml/empty carto), vaped my face off and never had to refill/drip. Effortless!! You GOTTA LOVE THAT!! Also, how long do the new Bloog's last (how may refills?). My E2s seem to last forever!!
ScottB: love ur avatar!!
Anyone know if hes working on Bloog XL Cartos?
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You're just burning juice Katya. I'm doing a genisis. It's ALL metal. There isn't anything to burn. I like to run it on the hot side and have been winding my coils for about 1.5-2.0Ω. If you hold the button too long they will glow if there isn't a good amount of air moving over them. The flavor can go from normal to VERY burnt depending on the heat. You're just burning juice. It's like burning caramel on the stove when you're makeing candy apples
Thank you, Quick! I knew that somebody would come up with an explanation. I sort of suspected it, but wasn't really sure. It felt as though some kind of dry/wet burn was taking place because there was definitely a smoke/smoking component to the bad taste. It did taste and smell like a dry burning atty. Makes sense.
I use them with my favorite Delrin drip tips and I like them a lot this way. Seems the airflow gets even better with a little extra air space above the filler. It also cools the vape a bit, which I like. I don't think you can dry burn them, honest. Even if you managed to take the filler and the tube out, you'd never be able to put it back in. However, I'm sure one could give them a wash or a soak in PGA or vodka to degunk the coil. I don't wash disposable cartos, I think they are never as good as new afterwards. The only cartos I clean are the BR E2s--those are worth their weight in gold. But they have no filler. One just needs to clean the wicks and the coil.
They last. I don't count refills, but I've had at least 6 ml through some of them and they are still good. Of course, good is a relative term. I'm very sensitive to off flavors and 5-6 ml of juice is pretty much my self-imposed limit. Ths crud does build up on the coil, even though I use the cleanest looking and tasting eliquids I can find, and sooner or later I begin to taste it.
Leaford is working on larger batteries, and on manual batteries, but I haven't heard anything about XL cartos.
EDIT: Just a thought about XL cartos, if I may. I've tried several XL traditional cartomizers and they were all pretty bad. Something changes inside a carto when the shell get longer, the wicking becomes difficult, the airflow is not the same. Besides, with the superminis and minis, I wouldn't necessarily want a carto that is as long as the battery. Just my musings...
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well, i seem to have finally gotten all of the prefilled juice out of my sample carto and am now using my doctored ecopure with it. so far, i've been pleased. this carto reminds me strongly of my beloved trueman 4081s from the batch back in the spring.
neo, if you're reading this, these bloogs are definitely worth considering!
the only thing that puzzles me, contrary to katya and br, i don't find them to be running hot. i'm using a manual 808 battery without a problem. maybe katya is right and it's time to invest in a multi-meter, lol
neo, if you're reading this, these bloogs are definitely worth considering!
the only thing that puzzles me, contrary to katya and br, i don't find them to be running hot. i'm using a manual 808 battery without a problem. maybe katya is right and it's time to invest in a multi-meter, lol
My words were that of a sissy, heheh. I figured a lot of people would like these on a KR808 battery.
OK, I have to be VERY careful what I say, I don't want to violate the rules. But hopefully it's not a violation to thank you for the reviews and comments, or to ask one of you to please start a thread in my Forum so I can discuss it with you.
But I THINK I can comment generally on this:
One problem I've seen in this industry generally which comes into play in things like the XL cartos, and the LR vs HR question, is that we all tend to forget that these things are systems, and changing any one single variable in the system results in changes to others. Longer, shorter, bigger, isn't always the way to go, and it's almost never as simple as just changing the one variable.
But I THINK I can comment generally on this:
EDIT: Just a thought about XL cartos, if I may. I've tried several XL traditional cartomizers and they were all pretty bad. Something changes inside a carto when the shell get longer, the wicking becomes difficult, the airflow is not the same. Besides, with the superminis and minis, I wouldn't necessarily want a carto that is as long as the battery. Just my musings...
One problem I've seen in this industry generally which comes into play in things like the XL cartos, and the LR vs HR question, is that we all tend to forget that these things are systems, and changing any one single variable in the system results in changes to others. Longer, shorter, bigger, isn't always the way to go, and it's almost never as simple as just changing the one variable.
I don't think I should be the one to start a new thread leaford, but I will gladly copy my existing posts on this thread about the Bloog over to it if one is created. Why can't you create an introduction for beta testers on your Forum and let us all copy our stuff there to get it going?
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