WHAT!?!?!? 10,000 posts on the CE2's changing 1 thing at a time and NOW you tell us?
Burning Cartomisers? Dangerous?-510/Kr808/4081...etc filler type cartos
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WHAT!?!?!? 10,000 posts on the CE2's changing 1 thing at a time and NOW you tell us?
Only 10,000? Man it seems like a lifetime since we first carried on about them not being available in the USA.
Very nice review Katya.
Thanks for all the knowledge, help and time you all put in on this thread and testing cartomizers. May 2011 be the year we find that perfect carto.
Thanks for all the knowledge, help and time you all put in on this thread and testing cartomizers. May 2011 be the year we find that perfect carto.
Great reviews Katya & br.
Looks like somebody finally got the point and made the first step to the right direction.
The future's so bright, I got to wear shades.
Happy new year youall
The taste is going bad on my Bloog Cartomizer today. It's probably had about 20ml of juice run through it. The vapor and TH is still good, but it is no longer a pleasure to use it. The draw is tightening up and not wide open like it was. I noticed this morning that the filler is slower soaking in while topping off.
Looks like it is about time to put it to sleep. An autopsy will be performed and I will probably have more to say about this device in a day or two.
Happy Vaping New Year to all you good folks near and far.
Looks like it is about time to put it to sleep. An autopsy will be performed and I will probably have more to say about this device in a day or two.
Happy Vaping New Year to all you good folks near and far.
Scottbee and I received some 'ego-t's' to try and thought I'd post my thoughts here. It is 'cartomizer-like' in that it contains 1.5ml of ejuice in a 'tank' and yet the atomizer is still outside and separate but the 'transition' is E2-like except the 'wick' is a bit of filler sitting on the atty. (this from description and TW's video and autopsy - not from my own autopsy).
So far I'm liking it. There is a cap on the top that you can pop off (hard at first) and fill. You can get 30 drops in the tank. There is a spike sitting above the atty so when you seat the tank it punctures a central sealed hole and the juice runs into the fluff below the spike in proximity to the atty. So far no leaks from my first one - I have two. Scott punctured first and filled from the hole rather than removing the cap. I tried filling from that end but no-go with just dripping. One could use a syringe or I'll wait to see how Scott did it...
but I wanted to get away from the syringe or needle tip bottle so I popped the cap and filled from the top. The cap is flat on two sides so you have to 'fit' it but that isn't a problem. When you seat the tank, at first it's easy not to seat it fully - you need a good push at first. It is the same style as the cone/atty - ie. tapered at the cart end. The tanks are translucent - I have one in 'white' and one in blue. I'd prefer a 'smoke' color for my black batts. When the tank is almost empty there is a bit of a whistle - refill warning? Otherwise the draw is a bit quieter than the filler types and the vapor the same. I went through the 1.5ml in about 6-7 hours vaping soley on the tank for the day.
The atty on the one I have measured 2.2Ω a bit lower than the one in the italian video - which was for me, a pleasant surprise. The mega eGo attys almost all meter in at 2.1Ω so there's not a discernable difference. I'm vaping DV's Real Tabs in VG that is an 80/20 ratio of VG/H2O so the viscosity is about like any regular PG mix. I also have a cone/atty eGo with the same ejuice and I can detect a slight difference in taste - the tank being a bit better, although I haven't cleaned the filler in the other one but it has only had real tabs in it.
The other thing is the battery 'lock' where you press the button five times to turn it off for carrying and then press five times to turn it back on. Nice! So far so good and if things remain the same, I'll likely be purchasing at least one full kit.
And HAPPY NEW YEAR!!
So far I'm liking it. There is a cap on the top that you can pop off (hard at first) and fill. You can get 30 drops in the tank. There is a spike sitting above the atty so when you seat the tank it punctures a central sealed hole and the juice runs into the fluff below the spike in proximity to the atty. So far no leaks from my first one - I have two. Scott punctured first and filled from the hole rather than removing the cap. I tried filling from that end but no-go with just dripping. One could use a syringe or I'll wait to see how Scott did it...
but I wanted to get away from the syringe or needle tip bottle so I popped the cap and filled from the top. The cap is flat on two sides so you have to 'fit' it but that isn't a problem. When you seat the tank, at first it's easy not to seat it fully - you need a good push at first. It is the same style as the cone/atty - ie. tapered at the cart end. The tanks are translucent - I have one in 'white' and one in blue. I'd prefer a 'smoke' color for my black batts. When the tank is almost empty there is a bit of a whistle - refill warning? Otherwise the draw is a bit quieter than the filler types and the vapor the same. I went through the 1.5ml in about 6-7 hours vaping soley on the tank for the day. The atty on the one I have measured 2.2Ω a bit lower than the one in the italian video - which was for me, a pleasant surprise. The mega eGo attys almost all meter in at 2.1Ω so there's not a discernable difference. I'm vaping DV's Real Tabs in VG that is an 80/20 ratio of VG/H2O so the viscosity is about like any regular PG mix. I also have a cone/atty eGo with the same ejuice and I can detect a slight difference in taste - the tank being a bit better, although I haven't cleaned the filler in the other one but it has only had real tabs in it.
The other thing is the battery 'lock' where you press the button five times to turn it off for carrying and then press five times to turn it back on. Nice! So far so good and if things remain the same, I'll likely be purchasing at least one full kit.
And HAPPY NEW YEAR!!
The construction of this cartomizer is not like one I have seen before. Of course, there are a good number that I have not seen, so it may not be anything new for some of you.
The base fitting is the first thing I see that is unusual to me. It does not fit quite as tight inside the tube as most fittings, and has a silicone looking sealer ring somewhat like an "O" ring. The horizontal atty is installed in the base fitting instead of midway in the filler like most other cartomizers. This means that the atty must draw part of the liquid from a greater distance, which may be the reason why it begins to dry out before it is empty.
The atty has a short wick through the center and a high temperature woven tube with a slit end is fitted over it. The short stubs of the wick are exposed to the filler through the slits, so nothing that will burn can come in contact with the atty. This arrangement is a truly a burn proof cartomizer.
The woven tube that protects the filler from the atty is the air intake supply. No air is drawn through the filler. If the gunk buildup on the atty is great enough, the air tube will be restricted and the draw will be tighter.
The filler stayed neatly in place inside the tube when this cartridge was pulled apart. As you can see, the filler is the type that wraps around the center tube. Not shown is another thin sheet inside at the center that actually wraps around the tube.
This is what the atty looks like when the woven tube is removed:
The coil had a solid buildup of crud on it, but it is shown here after it was burned off and the ash brushed away. These parts had not been washed when this shot was taken. The camera flash caused a hot spot on the base fitting and some of the details cannot be seen.
There was no burn damage to anything, so I put it back together. I put it in a longer XL tube because I wanted a bit more empty space for a cooler smoke. Now I can use it with the original mouthpiece instead increasing the distance with a drip tip. The additional space inside makes it a bit easier to drip juice down the inside of the barrel without getting it in the center tube. However, most of my top offs where done with a syringe.
I don't think it is practical to rebuild one of these things, but I had to try it to find out. I've been taking things apart all my life just to see if I could put them back together, so I guess I still have a little bit of a kid still buried inside me. I doubt if I will rebuild another one. But then, I may accidentally think of something that will make it work better, so who can tell what I may do in the future.
The base fitting is the first thing I see that is unusual to me. It does not fit quite as tight inside the tube as most fittings, and has a silicone looking sealer ring somewhat like an "O" ring. The horizontal atty is installed in the base fitting instead of midway in the filler like most other cartomizers. This means that the atty must draw part of the liquid from a greater distance, which may be the reason why it begins to dry out before it is empty.
The atty has a short wick through the center and a high temperature woven tube with a slit end is fitted over it. The short stubs of the wick are exposed to the filler through the slits, so nothing that will burn can come in contact with the atty. This arrangement is a truly a burn proof cartomizer.
The woven tube that protects the filler from the atty is the air intake supply. No air is drawn through the filler. If the gunk buildup on the atty is great enough, the air tube will be restricted and the draw will be tighter.
The filler stayed neatly in place inside the tube when this cartridge was pulled apart. As you can see, the filler is the type that wraps around the center tube. Not shown is another thin sheet inside at the center that actually wraps around the tube.
This is what the atty looks like when the woven tube is removed:
The coil had a solid buildup of crud on it, but it is shown here after it was burned off and the ash brushed away. These parts had not been washed when this shot was taken. The camera flash caused a hot spot on the base fitting and some of the details cannot be seen.
There was no burn damage to anything, so I put it back together. I put it in a longer XL tube because I wanted a bit more empty space for a cooler smoke. Now I can use it with the original mouthpiece instead increasing the distance with a drip tip. The additional space inside makes it a bit easier to drip juice down the inside of the barrel without getting it in the center tube. However, most of my top offs where done with a syringe.
I don't think it is practical to rebuild one of these things, but I had to try it to find out. I've been taking things apart all my life just to see if I could put them back together, so I guess I still have a little bit of a kid still buried inside me. I doubt if I will rebuild another one. But then, I may accidentally think of something that will make it work better, so who can tell what I may do in the future.
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Great vivisection of the Bloog, as usual br. Looks like Leaford and co. really put some thought into the design.
Nice to see a company take the time to do their own R&D before releasing it on the public. Kudos Bloog.
Looking at that atomizer through my non technical eyes I feel that there could be a case for a hybrid Bloog/CE2 syringe (or even bottle) mod in the future. The logistics aren't in my head yet just a glimmer of possibility.
Again thanks for your tinkering, br.
Nice to see a company take the time to do their own R&D before releasing it on the public. Kudos Bloog.
Looking at that atomizer through my non technical eyes I feel that there could be a case for a hybrid Bloog/CE2 syringe (or even bottle) mod in the future. The logistics aren't in my head yet just a glimmer of possibility.
Again thanks for your tinkering, br.
Nice insight into the eGo-T, Kent C. Thanks for that.
I am wondering how you hit these, draw wise. I tend to chain draw a little.
I usually take 3 pv's out with me when I'm going to vape and take 4 or 5 drags on each. Different flavours in each but complimentary too.
I don't mind doing this, in fact I like the variety, and I never have a problem NOW with my CE2's with ptb and wicks dry vaping.
So, how often between drags and how many drags in a regular vape session do you have (approx.)
I really like the idea behind these (except the pricing - but early days I suppose). I have a few people asking me for help in starting the change from smoking to vaping, but they are non-technical people who are not internet friendly/aware, and are not likely to want to tinker or fiddle with things to make them work.
The little extra time and effort required by preparing the eGo-T for use (filling and such) over pulling a Smoke out of a packet would be more than OK I would suggest, but not much more than that.
These seem to have that potential if they can keep up, wick wise. And of course leaking can be an issue, but that seems to be a minor problem that occurs on rare occasions.
I have no access to these yet in Oz, so its reviews like yours that give me all my info. Thanks again for taking the time.
I am wondering how you hit these, draw wise. I tend to chain draw a little.
I usually take 3 pv's out with me when I'm going to vape and take 4 or 5 drags on each. Different flavours in each but complimentary too.
I don't mind doing this, in fact I like the variety, and I never have a problem NOW with my CE2's with ptb and wicks dry vaping.
So, how often between drags and how many drags in a regular vape session do you have (approx.)
I really like the idea behind these (except the pricing - but early days I suppose). I have a few people asking me for help in starting the change from smoking to vaping, but they are non-technical people who are not internet friendly/aware, and are not likely to want to tinker or fiddle with things to make them work.
The little extra time and effort required by preparing the eGo-T for use (filling and such) over pulling a Smoke out of a packet would be more than OK I would suggest, but not much more than that.
These seem to have that potential if they can keep up, wick wise. And of course leaking can be an issue, but that seems to be a minor problem that occurs on rare occasions.
I have no access to these yet in Oz, so its reviews like yours that give me all my info. Thanks again for taking the time.
Good Idea, and I went ahead and did it: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ts-all-data-negative-result-still-result.html Please, anyone interested is invited there.
arjay55: Nice insight into the eGo-T, Kent C. Thanks for that.
I am wondering how you hit these, draw wise. I tend to chain draw a little.
arjay, I'd say I chain vaped when it was just the 510 but since eGo/Tornado/Rivas and Bartlebys, I'm probably a moderate to heavy vaper. I think the draw on the tank is a bit better than with the mega eGo atty/cart which is better than the mega eGo cartomizer, imo.
I usually take 3 pv's out with me when I'm going to vape and take 4 or 5 drags on each. Different flavours in each but complimentary too.
I take out 2 or 3 as well.
I don't mind doing this, in fact I like the variety, and I never have a problem NOW with my CE2's with ptb and wicks dry vaping.
So, how often between drags and how many drags in a regular vape session do you have (approx.)
Never counted but something less than full pacifier mode but more than with cigarettes.
I really like the idea behind these (except the pricing - but early days I suppose). I have a few people asking me for help in starting the change from smoking to vaping, but they are non-technical people who are not internet friendly/aware, and are not likely to want to tinker or fiddle with things to make them work.
The mega eGo atty/carts combo (or the cone/atty/cart) are a bit less work and same or greater volume/time between refills. It would still be my top recommendation for people starting if they can get by the size factor. But this upgrade (understand I'm still 'testing') would be a natural, imo. A bit cleaner vape flavor wise and easier draw with still good vapor.
The little extra time and effort required by preparing the eGo-T for use (filling and such) over pulling a Smoke out of a packet would be more than OK I would suggest, but not much more than that.
These seem to have that potential if they can keep up, wick wise. And of course leaking can be an issue, but that seems to be a minor problem that occurs on rare occasions.
So far it's been the least messy - I still can overfill the mega carts And so far no leaks on this one. I still take a qtip to the batt well but that's SOP now. I've seen moisture there but none so far has gotten out onto the battery casing.
I have no access to these yet in Oz, so its reviews like yours that give me all my info. Thanks again for taking the time.
You're welcome. Glad I could help.
I am wondering how you hit these, draw wise. I tend to chain draw a little.
arjay, I'd say I chain vaped when it was just the 510 but since eGo/Tornado/Rivas and Bartlebys, I'm probably a moderate to heavy vaper. I think the draw on the tank is a bit better than with the mega eGo atty/cart which is better than the mega eGo cartomizer, imo.
I usually take 3 pv's out with me when I'm going to vape and take 4 or 5 drags on each. Different flavours in each but complimentary too.
I take out 2 or 3 as well.
I don't mind doing this, in fact I like the variety, and I never have a problem NOW with my CE2's with ptb and wicks dry vaping.
So, how often between drags and how many drags in a regular vape session do you have (approx.)
Never counted
but something less than full pacifier mode but more than with cigarettes. I really like the idea behind these (except the pricing - but early days I suppose). I have a few people asking me for help in starting the change from smoking to vaping, but they are non-technical people who are not internet friendly/aware, and are not likely to want to tinker or fiddle with things to make them work.
The mega eGo atty/carts combo (or the cone/atty/cart) are a bit less work and same or greater volume/time between refills. It would still be my top recommendation for people starting if they can get by the size factor. But this upgrade (understand I'm still 'testing') would be a natural, imo. A bit cleaner vape flavor wise and easier draw with still good vapor.
The little extra time and effort required by preparing the eGo-T for use (filling and such) over pulling a Smoke out of a packet would be more than OK I would suggest, but not much more than that.
These seem to have that potential if they can keep up, wick wise. And of course leaking can be an issue, but that seems to be a minor problem that occurs on rare occasions.
So far it's been the least messy - I still can overfill the mega carts
And so far no leaks on this one. I still take a qtip to the batt well but that's SOP now. I've seen moisture there but none so far has gotten out onto the battery casing. I have no access to these yet in Oz, so its reviews like yours that give me all my info. Thanks again for taking the time.
You're welcome. Glad I could help.
Thanks. Good to know. Now I need to track some down. Ah well, my wife did say "did you buy some" when I tried telling her about them. She's never smoked and doesn't understand it, so I was surprised but not as much as she was when I said I was going to wait a bit. It's not normally in my nature to wait. Seems like the waiting might be over
Happy New Year, everyone!!!!
You're so bad...
They don't really run "hot", like those pop crack and sizzle LR cartos, but the lower ohms just taste harsher. You must have gotten one of the higher ohms...
From your mouth to God's ears.
I honestly believe it is. So many new interesting designs are being introduced. A year ago, when I started vaping, we only had two choices--a leaky 3-piece or a burning cartomizer. We've come a long way, baby!
Thanks for the review, Kent. I've been following that eGo tank thread from its inception, but I'm glad to read a review from somebody I know and trust. Have you tried one of those tankomizers on a regular eGo? Or a Tornado? Just wondering if they really are interchangeable. I'd like to buy just a tankomizer, don't need any more eGos at the moment.
And thanks for that nice rendition of O Tannenbaum.
You were not around here in May and June when we were furiously dissecting our 4081s, SLBs and Novas! Want to see more pics? Go back to page 93 or so...
Great review, BTW. Thanks for the photos.
You're so bad...
They don't really run "hot", like those pop crack and sizzle LR cartos, but the lower ohms just taste harsher. You must have gotten one of the higher ohms...
From your mouth to God's ears.
The future's so bright, I got to wear shades.
I honestly believe it is. So many new interesting designs are being introduced. A year ago, when I started vaping, we only had two choices--a leaky 3-piece or a burning cartomizer. We've come a long way, baby!
Thanks for the review, Kent. I've been following that eGo tank thread from its inception, but I'm glad to read a review from somebody I know and trust. Have you tried one of those tankomizers on a regular eGo? Or a Tornado? Just wondering if they really are interchangeable. I'd like to buy just a tankomizer, don't need any more eGos at the moment.
And thanks for that nice rendition of O Tannenbaum.
You were not around here in May and June when we were furiously dissecting our 4081s, SLBs and Novas! Want to see more pics? Go back to page 93 or so...
Great review, BTW. Thanks for the photos.
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My dear friend Kent speaks the truth..... I too have received one of the eGo-T units for review and evaluation. But my impressions and results aren't exactly in alignment with his.
It might be due to unit-to-unit variation... differences in "vaping style".... or maybe he got the "good one" since Mom always liked him best.... but I'm not exactly in love with the unit that I have.
Although it is certainly capabile of producing good vapor with nice flavor, the problem that I am having with it relates to its ability to handle liquids of varying viscosity and "wicking characteristics". When loaded up with my Ecopure-based "all day vape" the unit will load-up and leak like crazy before I get 2/3 of the way through the tank. If I load it up with another (slightly thicker) VG based liquid, it will vape well and won't flood.... but if I leave it just sitting vertical for an hour or so and then come back to it, the draw has "tightened up" considerably and I need to "vape it back down" to get decent results. And if I load it up with a thicker liquid, like some 20% VG TV mix.... it will run dry and generate the ominous "burn taste" associated with starvation.
In the end, it's still a "wicking" based system and it will be challenged by the hurdles that all wicking systems must try to overcome... giving consistent results when challenged by liquids with varying viscosities and wicking characteristics. And personally I think it comes up short (based on a single data point and a QTY=1 sample).
This maybe solely due to me getting a "dud"... but at the anticipated price-point for these units, I don't think people are going to tolerate very many "duds".
And to address a question posed by Kent... I am able to fill the tank directly using the fine-tip dripper-tip that you will find on the 30ml Ecopure and TV bottles. The "blunt and rounded" tips won't work worth a crap.
Happy New Year everybody.. vape-on!
Happy New Year, everyone!!!!
You were not around here in May and June when we were furiously dissecting our 4081s, SLBs and Novas! Want to see more pics? Go back to page 93 or so...
I went to the pages you stated hon, and only saw cartomizer types that I am already familiar with. As a matter of fact, I sent a sealed one to you that looks identical to the photos on this post:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...81-etc-filler-type-cartos-93.html#post1450249
Mine was bought in March of 2010. About the only real thing this type has in common with the Bloog is the horizontal coil and the filler material that wraps around it.
The conventional type has two short woven air tubes, which places the coil about midway in the filler. The Bloog has the coil in the base fitting, and has one longer woven tube above it to supply the air.
The threaded base fitting is also different. It does not press into the tube as tightly as the conventional one, and requires an "O" ring to help secure it.
Can you put a link or something to that device, I'm still a bit new to all this and are not yet understanding of all the lingo.
Btw I know many of you use abreviations that some of us are not yet familiar with, it would be nice if there was a bit more info on such items under discussion.
Roy
Btw I know many of you use abreviations that some of us are not yet familiar with, it would be nice if there was a bit more info on such items under discussion.
Roy
You did? Why, thank you... Can't wait.
Yup. I thought the Bloog cartos looked exactly like the Nova (601). But I never had one of those in my hands, so I can't be sure. Only Kelemvor would know.
Hi, Roy. The device Kent and Arjay and Scottee were discussing is the new eGo tank, which is discusssed at some detail here.
And here's the video:
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Pay attention gal. You already have the one I sent to you. Surely you didn't throw it away, heheh. The inside of it looks exactly like the photos that Kelemvor posted.
Maybe we see things different. The parts in his photos look completely different than the parts in my photos.
I haven't tried a diversity of ejuices. And I've now put the second tank (blue one) into use. This one starts to whistle a bit earlier - but still at the point of refill. Scott is right that when they're empty you do get the usual dry atty nasties, but that is standard and it is no worse than any dry atty.
And I did notice that when refilling/removing the blue one that there was a moistness on the outside of the tank where there wasn't with the first one, indicating to me that it is likely that ejuice is escaping but with mine it didn't make it out to the outside. I keep all my PV's horizontal so it is likely that held vertical that one might get some leaking although I did try that with the first 'clear/white' one but got no leaks. I'll try that with the blue one when that goes back in service.
Another point may be how the initial 'puncture' is made. I noted that with the first one I just 'seated it' and when refilling I noticed the 'flap' created was about 'half open' when refilling from the top. With the blue one I punctured and turned it around and when refilling I noted that the flap was full open - perhaps a factor but I'm just noting the differences I'm seeing. I intend to load the 'clear' one with PG based BWB (25% VG) and see how that goes.
And I did try the good 'pointy' tips on the ecopure bottles and was able to put a few drops in the puncture hole without a problem. But the rounded tips simply just block the hole on first drop so the pointy (not needle) tip does work as Scott has pointed out.
To Katya - the tank fits on the Tornado, Janty eGo, HG eGo, and Riva. If you don't have a need to turn off the button on the battery, you certainly could get by with just the attys and tanks. And you're welcome on the Chuck Leavell (of Allman Bros. fame and SeaLevel, and his great piano work on "Alberta" on Clapton's unplugged cd) version of O Tannenbaum from a fairly obscure CD that he first only sent out to friends for one Xmas but was then picked up by the label for the public. A bunch of good songs on the 'What's in the Bag' CD
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