Burning Cartomisers? Dangerous?-510/Kr808/4081...etc filler type cartos

[beachpuff]

Well, dang. Back to the pipe dream.

Yup....the quest continues......

 

[beachpuff]

Yeah, Drew's video tells the story. Thanks, Beachpuff!

Even in the picture, they look awfully flimsy. I had zero luck with clearomizers. I tried the syringe mod, not much better.

The only CE2 carto that worked for me was the R3 doctored by BR. But I have no patience, time or desire to deal with the cleaning, torching and such. And filling them is a major PITA. The same goes for the eGo cartos and joyetech cartomizers. Any design that requires a syringe and a needle to fill the carto is just flawed, IMO. Really, cartomizers were supposed to be convenient, and those things are more trouble than any 3-piece setup I've ever tried.

I was so excited when I first saw them, they just look so cool - I know you guys have been at this a lot longer than I have but wouldn't you think that by now they would have these things down to where they work out of the pack?????

Katya I've followed yours & Neo's advice & I'm using Ikenvapes jumbo 808's & some of his fancy 510's with an adapter. His stuff has been great so far. VaporsEtc's TRU's 30.3 & Boge HR worked surprisingly well, too. Now granted, I'm only a week in with these, but so far so good. I was even able to go back to my abandoned auto batts because no primer puff was needed with these. Despite all the new negative reviews on the Bloog carto, I decided to try them anyway. Battery & carto combo really are amazing, way better than the "other" guys. I'm using 60/40 VG/PG in my blanks and again so far so good, nothing burning or tasting funny. My vaporsetc & ikenvapes work great on the bloog too. Drew is now carrying horizontal coil cartos too, there supposed the be same as bloogs.

Thank you Katya & Neo for your suggestions! I guess I would still like to see a clear carto that works with no fuss, if only for the idea of being able to see my juice level. Otherwise, I really like what I have now, thanks to all the great advice on this thread. Thank you to everyone for continuing to update this thread, I've actually gone back & read most of it & I'm so grateful to have found it!!!

 

[br5495]

I was so excited when I first saw them, they just look so cool - I know you guys have been at this a lot longer than I have but wouldn't you think that by now they would have these things down to where they work out of the pack?????

Katya I've followed yours & Neo's advice & I'm using Ikenvapes jumbo 808's & some of his fancy 510's with an adapter. His stuff has been great so far. VaporsEtc's TRU's 30.3 & Boge HR worked surprisingly well, too. Now granted, I'm only a week in with these, but so far so good. I was even able to go back to my abandoned auto batts because no primer puff was needed with these. Despite all the new negative reviews on the Bloog carto, I decided to try them anyway. Battery & carto combo really are amazing, way better than the "other" guys. I'm using 60/40 VG/PG in my blanks and again so far so good, nothing burning or tasting funny. My vaporsetc & ikenvapes work great on the bloog too. Drew is now carrying horizontal coil cartos too, there supposed the be same as bloogs.

Thank you Katya & Neo for your suggestions! I guess I would still like to see a clear carto that works with no fuss, if only for the idea of being able to see my juice level. Otherwise, I really like what I have now, thanks to all the great advice on this thread. Thank you to everyone for continuing to update this thread, I've actually gone back & read most of it & I'm so grateful to have found it!!!

Most of the people on this thread are too picky, heheh. Don't let them hold you back. I think the Bloogs work pretty damn good, and if I had to go back to a filler type catro, it would probably be the one.

 

[Katya]

Drew is now carrying horizontal coil cartos too, there supposed the be same as bloogs.

Have you tried them? I've been meaning to pick up a box in my next order from Drew.

Thank you Katya & Neo for your suggestions! I guess I would still like to see a clear carto that works with no fuss, if only for the idea of being able to see my juice level.

I'm glad you fiund some cartos that work well for you. It's all trial and error, you know.

I think that the fillerless carto is in the future. But the design has to be perfected and made user friendly. It's going to happen, I'm sure. Leaford is looking into it, too.

Most of the people on this thread are too picky, heheh. Don't let them hold you back. I think the Bloogs work pretty damn good, and if I had to go back to a filler type catro, it would probably be the one.

Of course we're picky.

Seriously, BR, there is something going on with the Bloogs. I know of people who are very happy with them, but others have had serious problems. I got the most horrid burnt/melted plastic chemical taste from some of them, really bad. Others did too. There are several long threads in the Bloog subforum debating the issue; I don't want to post there because I don't know what the heck is going on and I don't want to speculate and add more fuel to the fire. I'm waiting for Leaford to chime in. But trust me, I tasted it and it was bad. And it wasn't a dry atty or a burned juice taste. It was something else.

 

[beachpuff]

Drew just put them on his site yesterday, of course I had to order a pack of regulars & a jumbo pack.

There is a ton of commotion on the Bloog subforum. I'm now realizing that the same issues could be had with Drew's if they are the same.

 

[Neo]

Beachpuff, I'm glad you found my thoughts on the issue helpful. The Trueman 808's that you bought are the same design as the Bloogs. I've not seen any of the "adhesive" (if that's what it is) on the Trueman's however. And I've not experienced any of the nasty taste as has been reported either.

 

[Katya]

Drew just put them on his site yesterday, of course I had to order a pack of regulars & a jumbo pack.

There is a ton of commotion on the Bloog subforum. I'm now realizing that the same issues could be had with Drew's if they are the same.

Hi Puff,

Just read your post in Drew's forum. Do you still like those new kr808 drippers? I'm tempted to order a box, but from Drew's video they really look exactly like the Bloogs. Can you confirm that they indeed have a horizontal coil like the Bloogs?

The Trueman 808's that you bought are the same design as the Bloogs. I've not seen any of the "adhesive" (if that's what it is) on the Trueman's however. And I've not experienced any of the nasty taste as has been reported either.

Neo, the True-kr808 cartos I ordered from Vapors Etc had a vertical coil. I went and checked Ross's description on the site and it also says "vertical coil." Which are the Trueman kr808 cartos that have a horizontal coil? What am I missing?

Here's the link, just in case:

http://www.vaporsetc.com/vapordefaultdetail.asp?detailid=PA1042&detname=Blank Black Tru-KR808D-1 Cartomizers 2.4 ohms

 

[beachpuff]

Katya it is confusing. When I ordered mine (I went with the purple) it said vertical on the site. I emailed Ross once I got them & he confirmed that they were in fact horizontal, so he changed the description on the site:

Vapors Etc. Blank Purple HR Tru-KR808D-1 Cartomizers

Looks like all but the black ones are listed as horizontal now - although I just filled one up last night that was actually vertical even though the rest of the pack was horizontal. ????

 

[Katya]

Thanks, Beachpuff!

Mystery solved! The 2.4Ω True kr8 cartos come with a vertical coil, and the 3.3Ω ones have a horizontal coil.

Thank you, Ross!

 

[beachpuff]

Hi Puff,

Just read your post in Drew's forum. Do you still like those new kr808 drippers? I'm tempted to order a box, but from Drew's video they really look exactly like the Bloogs. Can you confirm that they indeed have a horizontal coil like the Bloogs?

Katya they are the horizontals, and same "inverted drip tip" top that bloog sells. I haven't taken one apart but they do vape the same to me. I've tried the regular and the jumbos, like them both so far. Drew also sells the horizontal coil cartos in his pcc kits and he has a hard top one as well. There seems to be no difference, and I have yet to have a bloog or nhaler that has any weird tastes or burning. I am babying them to be safe, keeping a lot in rotation instead of using one all day. I hope that Drew's don't have the issues that bloog's have. Also hoping at some point there are some answers about all this over on bloogs subforum. So if anyone is looking for the bloog carto experience but can't get any due to stock issues, try nhaler's because they are the same.

The TRU's have the standard top (not the inverted drip style) on their horizontals, so they look like regular cartos. Ikenvape has the horizontal coil in his jumbos (again not mentioned on the site but confirmed via email & usage) too, and they also have the standard top.

I have found with all the horizontals that I do get that slight burnt taste only when used with a freshly charged V4L battery. This has been a complaint over on the bloog subforum. It only lasts for a couple of puffs. Unfortunately for whatever reason, I've also discovered that the horizontals work better with the bloog battery. They work well on the V4L autos, but its just an airier vape. Of course they work perfectly with a manual too. At some point I will have to try out Drew's batteries, if he ever sells them without the kit, they are supposed to be the same as the bloogs.

I like the horizontals way better than the verticals that I've tried

 

[uzzaperez]

Anybody remember Dondaboomvape's old "Wonderful World" post that compared different models and etc? Somebody needs to do one of those just for KR808 options alone.

 

[Katya]

We're working on it. Needs to be updated again.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...1-etc-filler-type-cartos-297.html#post2144942

Been waiting for the latest news from Bloog...

 

[uzzaperez]

Thanks Katya, that's a great start. Sorry this post is so long...A couple years ago I tried 801, 901, 510, whatever a Smoking Everywhere is, and KR808D-1. After months of experimentation I settled on the KRs at 5 volts. Then came the "Premiums" and "Cool Carts" on the V4L website, which I found to be much improved. I preferred the Premiums over the Cool Carts by a long shot and have used them happily ever since they came out, mostly on a Buzz at around 4.5 volts with minor adjustments depending on the juice or carto, sometimes on the 3.7 volt shorty batteries from V4L. I leave the tops off and drip regularly so they don't usually burn. But I would say one or even two out of five cartos don't give me the premium long lasting performance I buy them for. When I buy 50 I figure on tossing nearly 20 after less than a ml or two and using the other 30 for 10 or 20 ml each.

Happy to be settled down I just stuck with the one carto product from one vendor, too tired of wasting $$$ on experimentation to even figure out what other vendors carried the "Premium" KRs by whatever other name. Besides, I like V4L. That's the background.

Enter me finally checking this thread and seeing that there are a lot of new options for KR users. I need some help getting up to speed. I hope I'm not too annoying with all of these questions, thanks in advance for any help.

I'll be quoting a bit here...

Beachpuff: re Nhaler's KR Drippers: "Katya they are the horizontals, and same "inverted drip tip" top that bloog sells"

I went to bloogplanet and hated the BS website. The Fusion! The MaxxFusion! All of these marketing names and nothing that tells you the real story on what model this stuff is - only carefully worded statements about how their stuff is better than the other guys without putting anything really solid out there. To me it is like the Smoking Everywhere approach - they just hope you stumble on their site and just buy without researching options. So, my question is, what's the real deal? Is there something new here worth buying? What's the dif between Fusion and MaxxFusion? Standard and Premium KR? What is a horizontal? Does it have filler?

Are there any fillerless drip and vape style KRs? That's what I think of when I hear "horizontal coil".

I went to Nhaler and have a few questions:
The KR808D-1 Drippers must be the horizontals you are talking about right? Available in 2.5 ohm and 3 ohm, but I saw no mention of horizontal coils?
And the jumbos...what is the benefit of a jumbo if you are dripping? And if you aren't dripping, doesn't the juice probably have a hard time wicking so far to the atty?
Mega Cartomizers? What are these, like Cool Carts I guess?
Greenworld Cartomizers...? Are these as good as Nhaler says? Do they work on the KR or 901 connections? It looks like KR stuff must work on Greenworld stuff since the sell them both in the Greenworld section...?
I had GreenTech once back when V4L used to sell them...aparently not the same thing?

Beachpuff: "The TRU's have the standard top (not the inverted drip style) on their horizontals, so they look like regular cartos. Ikenvape has the horizontal coil in his jumbos (again not mentioned on the site but confirmed via email & usage) too, and they also have the standard top."

I went to Ikenvape and they seem to have a whole broad range of different atty types. The only KR thing I saw was the "IKV MEGA LR KR808"...is that the jumbo? If not where do I find the jumbo? I searched "jumbo" on their site and came up with nothing. It doesn't look like ikenvape does a good job of explaining their products...but who does?

I went to Vapors etc. Finally at least a solid description! The "Tru" Carto comes in "3.3 ohms, Horizontal Coil" and five for $6.95 - that's a killer price. Is there filler in these things or is the "Tru" more of a standard atty?

Is there filler in any horizontal atty design? If so, how's that work?

The "Tru" also comes in "2.4 ohms, Vertical Coil" - hmm, can someone who has tried both share the difference?

They have Boge LR (1.8 to 2.2 ohms) and HR (3.4 to 3.8 ohms). Allright, I'm guessing the LR is the same as V4L's "Premium" maybe and the HR are what? Like Cool Carts?

They also have blank no name cartos at 2.9 ohms? What are these, relatively? The old standard KR's I assume?

Beachpuff: "Despite all the new negative reviews on the Bloog carto, I decided to try them anyway. Battery & carto combo really are amazing, way better than the "other" guys."

Please go into more detail...what is better? I mean...a battery is just a powersource right? Unless it has the frills of voltage adjustment and ohm reading.

Katya: "I think that the fillerless carto is in the future. But the design has to be perfected and made user friendly. It's going to happen, I'm sure. Leaford is looking into it, too."

Are the Clear Cartos the same as CE2s? In the video it looks like they perform better than the CE2s were reported too, but they have the cracking/leaking issue...is that right?
Who is Leaford with these days?

 

[beachpuff]

Hey Uzzaperez, I'll try to answer your questions

Bloog: The Fusion & The MaxxFusion are different. The Fusion is a standard kr808d1 battery. The MaxxFusion is also a kr808d1 battery but with a better sensor. Here an actual reviews that explain it better than I can, lol:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...13-maxx-fusion-finally-vapable-supermini.html

I have the V4L Diamond & Stealth batteries. The MF really does perform better, more like an analog. I thought it was a bunch of hype too, but IMO it is better. Yes, their site is awful, but what they have going for them is Leaford, who is their development guy. So he lent credibility to the company. Normally he is very active on the bloog subforum.

Now, the cartos that I mentioned that have horizontal coils do still have filler in them. From what I understand from reading here, the horizontal coil means that they are less likely to burn (I think they actually do NOT burn, but someone correct me if I'm wrong). I personally have no idea why they work better IMO than the verticals. Again, hopefully one of the experts will chime in and explain it better.

Sorry about the confusion - I meant to post links to these cartos. And you are correct - they are not clearly marked "horizontal". I bought them to make sure, and I've emailed the vendors to double check.

Ikenvape:
IKV MEGA KR-808 Cartomizer
IKV MEGA KR-808 Cartomizer Stainless
IKV MEGA LR KR808 Cartomizer

I haven't had any issues so far with any jumbo/mega carto not wicking. Nhaler is just as bad with not clearly describing his cartos as having the horizontal coil.
Jumbo KR808D-1 Drippers
KR808D-1 Drippers
KR808D-1 JUMBOCARTOMIZERS
KR808D-1 Jumbo Low Resistance Cartomizers (2 Ohm)

Here is another video of those new filler-less cartos that Drew brought back from China:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...657-new-kr808d-1-no-filler-cartomizers-7.html

Hope this helps!!!!

 

[beachpuff]

Forgot to mention I'm only using the 3.7 kr808d1. I have picked up adapter so I could try Ikenvapes 510 cartos but I haven't dripped, so I can't compare. I also used V4Ls Coolcarts & Wow Carts. At the 3.7 volt I didn't like the Wow, they got too hot for my taste, and too many of my coolcarts were too airy IMO. I didn't feel like I was getting a strong draw. So for me on my kr808, the horizontals taste better and have better vapor production than any of my V4Ls and the draw is stronger, feels like an analog.

 

[sqirl1]

I got one: so I got vapor4life cartos for my Green Nicotine battery (it's a KR808 that these scammer guys take from GreenCig, repackage, and sell for outrageous prices at various mall kiosks along with cartomizers etc.) and here's what I noticed: the ones with nicotine seem to all be burned up, I took the cotton out of the middle of one of my cartos with nicotine an it was CHARRED BLACK. but I looked inside one of my Nicotine-free cartos that I'd been using for a while and I could tell RIGHT off the bad there was no burning. does nicotine have a lower burning point than the other stuff in there? also I noticed it dragged more smoothly with my brother's battery, same brand and everything, think my battery is bad and I should get it swapped out for a new one while I still have the warranty on it? I got an actual v4l battery coming but it hasn't even shipped yet so..... should I just get a generic KR808 from somewhere as well? I have a feeling these batteries from GN are total pieces of .....

 

[Neo]

Thanks, Beachpuff!

Mystery solved! The 2.4Ω True kr8 cartos come with a vertical coil, and the 3.3Ω ones have a horizontal coil.

Thank you, Ross!

Right. The 3.3's are the one's that are horizontal and that I posted pics of back aways.

 

[tiburonfirst]

the cotton out of the middle of one of my cartos with nicotine an it was CHARRED BLACK. but I looked inside one of my Nicotine-free cartos that I'd been using for a while and I could tell RIGHT off the bat there was no burning. does nicotine have a lower burning point than the other stuff in there? also I noticed it dragged more smoothly with my brother's battery, same brand and everything, think my battery is bad and I should get it swapped out for a new one while I still have the warranty on it? I got an actual v4l battery coming but it hasn't even shipped yet so..... should I just get a generic KR808 from somewhere as well? I have a feeling these batteries from GN are total pieces of .....

interesting point which has not been explored here, i believe, since all of us, i think, are nic vapers

as to your battery, if in doubt exchange!
but remember Any battery from Any vendor can fluctuate in performance and longevity

 

[Katya]

Beachpuff, I hope you and yours are OK. Let us know, will you? How bad is it in Hawaii?

Uzzaperez, I'll try to update the info and answer some of your questions later tonight.

 

[beachpuff]

Hi Katya, I'm OK, thanks for asking! Are you OK in Cali? I'm just outside the evacuation zone so I stayed home, glued to the tv until 3:30 this morning. Nothing at all like what hit Japan - what a disaster over there, its just awful!