Burning Taste --POLL-- discussion

[imsewsure]

I noticed on the threads somewhere where someone asked how everyone is inhaling; some people suck the vapor into their mouths, hold it in their mouth, then inhale while others inhale directly from their PV. I smoked by pulling into my mouth then inhaling but have found that I get a better throat hit by inhaling directly from the PV when I'm using my passthrough (it's kinda hard to get used to if you are used to holding it in your mouth first). Anyway, you may be wondering why on earth I'm posting that in this thread...welll, if I'm NOT attached from my passthrough and I inhale directly, I get a consistent burning taste.

 

[need_2quit]

you guys are so right that mentioned let it cool down. It allows the flavor to soak in to the atty, instead of just burning up the PG or VG for vapor. I usually keep a spare atty with cart attached next to me to swap off frequently, so I never allow them to overheat.

I've tried twisting the cart too and it does help.

These things run so hot that a cart full ALL the way down is pretty mandatory if you're not dripping. I like using the hypodermic needle, because you don't waste precious drops from overflow down the side of the cart.

No finagling with the cart material either. Just put the needle in and plunge. If you put too much, just back out the plunger and it will pull it back in to the syringe.

I get 3ml syringes at the local farm store. They're like $1. and change for 3 of them. We always have them on hand anyway for dog medicines, so I bit the bullet and used one. BIG difference!

it may be a pita to actually do a refill of your carts, but you'll be saving time and precious juice, by not having to guesstimate what the cart needs all the time.

It works so well, I change out my cart filler every time I redo the carts. I use Morning Glory Premium Fiber Fill from Walmart (purple bag in the sewing dept), for $2.67 (huge bag). It's about as similar as you can get to the fill density of a factory cart. And it doesn't slip down away from the atomizer like the straw mod, etc. Nice easy draw too.

btw - if your carts get loose and leak between the cart and atty, you can take a pair of tweezers > insert into an empty cart (or dry filler) > put pressure on the tweezers > use a lighter with quick flame to heat the cart and expand the tweezers so they stretch the cart a hair. Tightens it back up like a factory cart

 

[Enfield]

Fabulous tip on getting syringes cheap at the farm/feed store, thanks! I had been cringing seeing a typical $2.49 each price from most of the online e-cig merchants.

 

[DyZiE]

I noticed on the threads somewhere where someone asked how everyone is inhaling; some people suck the vapor into their mouths, hold it in their mouth, then inhale while others inhale directly from their PV. I smoked by pulling into my mouth then inhaling but have found that I get a better throat hit by inhaling directly from the PV when I'm using my passthrough (it's kinda hard to get used to if you are used to holding it in your mouth first). Anyway, you may be wondering why on earth I'm posting that in this thread...welll, if I'm NOT attached from my passthrough and I inhale directly, I get a consistent burning taste.

yeah i noticed the burning more when im using batts too. i was thinking that maybe the batts push just a tad to hard sometimes. maybe only some batts do it. idk, seem fish thou that the passthru works great, but the batt burns.

 

[bonniegirl]

I vape a Dura (510) I get a burning metal taste which does irritate my mouth and throat.
It seems to happen when the atomizer gets to hot and dry. This cant be good for you. Ether way, i do not like it and the Dura is now on the bench.

Dave,
PM me, I will take it off your hands

 

[Kasimir]

So after a week or so of troubleshooting, I think I've come to this conclusion about the burning taste I get from my 510.

I first thought it must have been from the polyfill fibers getting stuck in the atomizer and melting, but I'm not noticing any charred fibers. Even when the occasional fiber does get stuck and I have to pull it out of the atomizer after removing the cart, I haven't really noticed any of the fibers actually melted or charred, so I think burning plastic is out.

What I *have* noticed, though, is that the burning taste usually occurs with either a cart that's becoming dry, or when I switch to a new cart. I think what's happening is, the atomizer basically has a "sponge" holding liquid around the coils to be heated, but it needs a constant flow of liquid to work properly. When a cart is going dry the flow of new liquid in is being reduced and when a new cart is put on, it takes a little while for the flow of liquid to start up again.

In that window of time where the flow of new liquid coming in is weak or broken, the liquid already in the atomizer gets heated up too much and *that* is probably what's burning. And it's probably also why it's hard to get rid of the burning taste because, once you've got burnt liquid stuck in the atomizer, it's going to mix with and taint the new liquid coming in making all subsequent draws taste burnt.

This could also occur if the cart is both too full of filling or not full enough of filling. With too much filling, you wouldn't get enough liquid being drawn up through the compacted mess to create a stable flow, with too little, you wouldn't be making any contact with the atomizer. Also, with the right amount, but pushed too far down in the cart, you wouldn't be making good contact either.

The right amount of filling seems to be just enough to fill the cart without being too compacted, and then pulled all the way to the top of the cart, so that when you put it on the atomizer, the atomizer makes full contact and squashes it back down in the cart very slightly.

And my solution on consistent burning taste now is to pull the atomizer out, blow out all the liquid in it out of it from the battery end, run it under water from both ends, blow it out from both ends, then drip a drop or two of new liquid on the atomizer and connect a new cart. So far, the consistent burning has gone away.

 

[Nepenthy]

Has anyone tried sucking through an empty cart without being attached to an atomizer? No more mystery to me, where that taste is coming from. Its the default polyfil taste without liquid in it. Not burnt poly or plastic, its just how the poly "tastes" when its not saturated.

 

[nonstinky]

OK I must be the only real weirdo here...I LIKE that burning plastic taste I know how weird that is.... I don't like it when it happens though as I'm afraid I'm burning up my atomizer.

 

[framitz]

I stopped getting the burnt taste once I started keeping my carts topped off AND I trim any stray poly fibers so they don't get to the heating coil.

 

[dark]

ive only had a problem with a burnt taste when low or completely dry also

 

[Undertaker]

I own the Dura-C, the TW 510 Titan and the Nobacco Black Line (the Greek version of the 510), and i also had the same issue occasionally.
As soon as i top the cart with liquid the burnt taste vanishes.

 

[Nepenthy]

As mentioned, topping off does cure the poly taste (burnt plastic, or at least plastic), but I was having to top off every few drags. I was about to give up on the 501 just because I had to top off so often, didnt seem to use all the juice in a cart, getting poly stuck in the atty, couldnt tell what flavor I had in there cause they all were tasting the same...etc.

Until....I tried the tea bag method. WOW! Or in other words...OMG WOW! Cart drank the juice like mad, every hit tasted like I just topped off, and after a few hours of unbelievable vapor and taste I could only tell the cart was getting low by the vapor, not the all too familiar smoking a bic pen taste.

I actually went to work today with only two tea bag carts and a charger, instead of cart tools, extra poly, charger, passthrough, and juice! I can now tell big, delicious differences in taste, can even tell if I didnt wash the cart out fully because of a mixed taste of two flavors, and dont have to wait so long between drags for the poly to wick juice. Now I just have to have to drop down to a lower nic strength, since Im falling in love with vaping all over again (was starting to get discouraged due to all the maintenance required). Been off analogs for a month now, and with the new tea bag fill method, I know Ill never go back.

Big thanks to whoever came up with the tea bag method, was almost ready to go back to the dark side until I found that info.

 

[Sar]

When I get either the burning or metalic taste I top off the cart with one drop of menthol liquid. So far that always made it go away. I never smoked menthol analogs and am not a fan of menthol liquid either so that is why I only use one drop. The liquid I am using is from MyVaporStore and it is extremely potent. It actually reminds me of the taste you'd get from Nat Sherman Mint analogs. The one drop I use does overpower the taste of any eliquid I might have had in the cart, but in my experience it also takes care of any bad taste completely.

I don't think that I would switch to vaping menthol, but now and thn I add one drop even if there is no bad taste. The menthol from MVS just makes the vapor taste really fresh. It almost feels like having a strong mint candy.

 

[smokie]

When I get either the burning or metalic taste I top off the cart with one drop of menthol liquid. So far that always made it go away. I never smoked menthol analogs and am not a fan of menthol liquid either so that is why I only use one drop. The liquid I am using is from MyVaporStore and it is extremely potent. It actually reminds me of the taste you'd get from Nat Sherman Mint analogs. The one drop I use does overpower the taste of any eliquid I might have had in the cart, but in my experience it also takes care of any bad taste completely.

I don't think that I would switch to vaping menthol, but now and thn I add one drop even if there is no bad taste. The menthol from MVS just makes the vapor taste really fresh. It almost feels like having a strong mint candy.

Have you compared atomizers, the Janty tastes a lot better, I can know taste my flavors some what, not like before with the other guys atomizer, any flavor tasted weired, some kind of after taste, after each buff.

 

[Sar]

Have you compared atomizers, the Janty tastes a lot better, I can know taste my flavors some what, not like before with the other guys atomizer, any flavor tasted weired, some kind of after taste, after each buff.

I do have atomizers from Janty but do have many from different suppliers. Problem is that they are now all mixed together and I they all look the same. But the last order I received had the attys different color so I'll be able to see if this seller's merchandise is any better.

 

[smokie]

I do have atomizers from Janty but do have many from different suppliers. Problem is that they are now all mixed together and I they all look the same. But the last order I received had the attys different color so I'll be able to see if this seller's merchandise is any better.

I recently ordered a 510 set from the other guy, and all 3 atomizers tasted horrible with the flavors I use in my SD, and JS, then I tried a Janty Dura-C atomizer which was about 65% better flavor than the other guys, but still not as good as it should be.

 

[smokie]

Just think the 510 cooks your juice, changing the taste. I tried everything possible, the only thing that helps 65% better is a Janty atomizer, I get 65% better flavor with it, than the other guys anatomizes. still not 100% perfect, as using the same juice in my SD, and JS. Now one vendor told me that using VG, instead of PG does not burn up like PG, and will give the atomizer a longer life, due to the thickness of VG. I do not care for the taste of VG, to me it tastes weired.

 

[Sar]

Just think the 510 cooks your juice, changing the taste. I tried everything possible, the only thing that helps 65% better is a Janty atomizer, I get 65% better flavor with it, than the other guys anatomizes. still not 100% perfect, as using the same juice in my SD, and JS. Now one vendor told me that using VG, instead of PG does not burn up like PG, and will give the atomizer a longer life, due to the thickness of VG. I do not care for the taste of VG, to me it tastes weired.

I have never tried using VG. But I do have a bottle of it and will open it one of these days. But I am waiting for delivery of one the higher-voltage vaporizers for 510 that I ordered recently. People claim that it brings up the flavor of all juice in a big way. Hopefully it'll be here next week so I'll report back on the result...

 

[smokie]

I have never tried using VG. But I do have a bottle of it and will open it one of these days. But I am waiting for delivery of one the higher-voltage vaporizers for 510 that I ordered recently. People claim that it brings up the flavor of all juice in a big way. Hopefully it'll be here next week so I'll report back on the result...

Who did you order it from ? I would like to try it.

 

[Sar]

Who did you order it from ? I would like to try it.

I ordered the Prodigy from Puresmoker. There are other similar devices on the market, but as far as I know Prodigy is the only one that works on 5 volt power. That seems to be the sweetspot for flavor. Other devices either use lower voltage which is similar to the battery you get from 901 or higher voltage (6v) which may work the atomizer a bit too much.

There are some reviews here:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/puresmoker/22931-prodigy-reviews.html

The Prodigy uses adapters for different types of vaporizers so you can use one Prodigy device with different attys. I've ordered the 901 and 510 adapters to try first. If it works well I'll probably order the 801 adapter because I like that they hold much more liquid. I just never liked the standard 801s before (they were the first PVs I tried).