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New 510er: How many drops is optimal in your experience?
Battling mine a bit: touch of the burnt chem taste....2-3 drops arctic mint helped quite a lot. Tremendous vapor from even light hits.
Thx tor all the posters here, Big help.
Battling mine a bit: touch of the burnt chem taste....2-3 drops arctic mint helped quite a lot. Tremendous vapor from even light hits.
Thx tor all the posters here, Big help.
Check this out --> http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...er-under-bridge-burning-taste.html#post346057 and tell me if I`m wrong because I am 99% sure that the burning taste is coming from MELTING CARTRIDGES 8-o
If that is the case, I would suspect an atomizer bridge that has been bent or knocked askew and needs to be centered again. You could try and do this yourself or send it back for a warranty replacement if you have a supplier that offers a nice warranty period. If the above sentence doesn't apply to you, let me highly suggest buying from Heaven-gifts.com Ruyandirect.com Best E-smoking Shop, most all of his hardware has a 1 YEAR warranty, and the prices cannot be beat.
I used a magnifying glass to examine the coil and found tiny strands of fluval stuck on the coil. I couldn't get it off with tweezers, but I tried a brush pick (it's a plastic toothpick with a brush on one end) and just moved it gently around the coil and it grabbed the strands. If you get too rough with the brush pick the little plastic things could break off pretty easily, so you have to be gentle with it.
i ordered some dura-c attys form janty and they have no burning taste. idk maybe the other atty just had some bad wick placement of something but yeah .. umm...... glad to taste my e-juice without the constant burning in the back of my throat.
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I occasionally get a burning taste with my 510. I use tea bags as the cart filler, if that information helps or is relevant, probably not. Anyway, when this happens, I just top off my cart or I drip onto the atty a drop or two occasionally. Then it goes away. Comes back when I need to refill/top off again.
On the health issue side of things, this is kinda freaky.
On the other hand, it lets me know I need to top off.
I still don't appreciate it. Yuck.
On the health issue side of things, this is kinda freaky.
On the other hand, it lets me know I need to top off.
I still don't appreciate it. Yuck.
I will chime in to say that the very few times I've had a burning taste could be attributed to dry poly burning in the cartridge.
I now use tea-bag material to fill my 510 mouthpieces and couldn't be happier with the results. The vapor and draw are fabulous and the time between top-ups is improved over poly. Filling a new tea-bag-stuffed cart is very fast and efficient compared to filling a poly cart, and using a syringe for filling is super-charged-fast.
Here are the tea-bags I use: Upton Tea Imports: Teaware - Teapot Filter Bags (AI43)
BTW, for any tea connoisseurs out there, Upton's has been my sole source of tea for more years than I care to count. Their teas are top notch and much more inexpensive than the hyped-up off the shelf brands.
Here is a brief summary of my stuffing method; the only tools required are scissors. After cutting off and discarding the side seams off of the tea bag, I cut it in half length-wise, getting two long strips (enough for two carts). Instead of doing a "carpet roll" with the paper, I sort of just sloppily accordion pleat the strip back and forth between my fingers. Then I trim a tiny bit off of one end of the resulting plug, just to even the end up that goes down in the bottom of the cart. It slides right in, no forceps necessary. Once the paper plug is bottomed out in the cart, pull it back out about 1 mm, trim the excess across the opening of the cart, and slide it back down in. Truly, the whole thing is very quick and easy. Fill with juice any way you wish, dropper or syringe. I feel that the pleating may provide an "airier" construction than rolling and make for better wicking.
Give a scream if y'all need more details.
I now use tea-bag material to fill my 510 mouthpieces and couldn't be happier with the results. The vapor and draw are fabulous and the time between top-ups is improved over poly. Filling a new tea-bag-stuffed cart is very fast and efficient compared to filling a poly cart, and using a syringe for filling is super-charged-fast.
Here are the tea-bags I use: Upton Tea Imports: Teaware - Teapot Filter Bags (AI43)
BTW, for any tea connoisseurs out there, Upton's has been my sole source of tea for more years than I care to count. Their teas are top notch and much more inexpensive than the hyped-up off the shelf brands.
Here is a brief summary of my stuffing method; the only tools required are scissors. After cutting off and discarding the side seams off of the tea bag, I cut it in half length-wise, getting two long strips (enough for two carts). Instead of doing a "carpet roll" with the paper, I sort of just sloppily accordion pleat the strip back and forth between my fingers. Then I trim a tiny bit off of one end of the resulting plug, just to even the end up that goes down in the bottom of the cart. It slides right in, no forceps necessary. Once the paper plug is bottomed out in the cart, pull it back out about 1 mm, trim the excess across the opening of the cart, and slide it back down in. Truly, the whole thing is very quick and easy. Fill with juice any way you wish, dropper or syringe. I feel that the pleating may provide an "airier" construction than rolling and make for better wicking.
Give a scream if y'all need more details.
I have perfected the size of the filling with scissors, no more burning. Its not as close to the edge of the cart, and I make sure no stray fibers are sticking up. I get very consistent hits and taste these days. I do have to drip onto the filling a lot. I also immediately get the battery off the atty when it blinks- because I have not successfully gotten rid of the burnt taste after a cleaning cycle. I now know when my battery is dying or when my atty is going out by how the hits behave. Sometimes i want to throw the damn atty out the window when it goes out and give up on these shoddy things... but the alternative is smoking and I refuse. (I have the 901 as my main, tried others but I guess you never forget your first ecig love...)
I just experienced the burning taste today.. absolutely foul tasting. I think it was due to my poly-fill in the cart being pushed in too deep after a re-fill - atomizer couldn't really make contact with it. I pulled it up to the top of the cart and that seems to have helped.
I replace the fiber every third day. I have yet to experience the burning taste. I believe that NPerez is correct in that the atty isn't getting the juice correctly from the cart. Either the carts gone dry, or the fiber has been pushed in a bit too far. Just MHO.
I got a new atty today and got the burning wick more than the first 2 I broke in. I don't inhale it when it does it and top off.
One thing I've noticed about the 510 carts is they dry out from the bottom up in addition to the top drying out. If i just keep topping off, it does nothing for the rest of the cart material. Pulling it out, you can see how dense the factory material is and how dry it is, because it fluffs out like a cotton ball =totally dry.
Because the wick sits in the cart fairly deep, topping off is just a quick fix. The best way to fill these is as others have mentioned, from the bottom up with a syringe. It will smoke longer and if you don't let it get completely dry out, top offs will be sufficient.
If you let it totally dry out to the bottom you'll end up with pooling on the top every time you top off and the atomizer is always at risk for running dry and burning the fibers.
Another thing I think many of us fail to do is let the cart rest after filling... on the atomizer a few minutes to allow the wick to soak up the juice. Topping off with a few drops and immediately smoking an already hot atomizer, just shortens the life of the atomizer and will burn the wick.
just my 2 cents from using mine pretty heavily. The 510 is a great model.
One thing I've noticed about the 510 carts is they dry out from the bottom up in addition to the top drying out. If i just keep topping off, it does nothing for the rest of the cart material. Pulling it out, you can see how dense the factory material is and how dry it is, because it fluffs out like a cotton ball =totally dry.
Because the wick sits in the cart fairly deep, topping off is just a quick fix. The best way to fill these is as others have mentioned, from the bottom up with a syringe. It will smoke longer and if you don't let it get completely dry out, top offs will be sufficient.
If you let it totally dry out to the bottom you'll end up with pooling on the top every time you top off and the atomizer is always at risk for running dry and burning the fibers.
Another thing I think many of us fail to do is let the cart rest after filling... on the atomizer a few minutes to allow the wick to soak up the juice. Topping off with a few drops and immediately smoking an already hot atomizer, just shortens the life of the atomizer and will burn the wick.
just my 2 cents from using mine pretty heavily. The 510 is a great model.
you're right kreel. The factory fresh carts have material to the brim to meet the wick. If you pull it slowly out, the material goes all the way to the bottom of the cart. a cart full of material and a totally juiced cart (not just the top) is necessary on these things.
I'm not sayin to try this, but I have a atty that is on the home stretch to that big e cig shop in the sky. So I took the hemostats and pulled all the nylon wick parts out and it seems to smk alot cleaner and less aftertaste. I imagine it will hurt the performance of the vapor, but it's on its last leg anyway. I think if they replaced the nylon with tiny strands of metal wick but less strands would solve this problem. A few of the strands were black when I pulled them out, so seems to me that was where the burnt taste was coming from. It wasn't melted like super burnt but was deff black. I dont know if it was the fiber itself or just ejuice deposits on the strands.
update* lol its only been like 10 mins or so, but the taste has improved 100x just in this short time. I think I might sacrifice a new atty and see how it goes.
update* lol its only been like 10 mins or so, but the taste has improved 100x just in this short time. I think I might sacrifice a new atty and see how it goes.
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Following this thread has reinforced to me just how little I know about atomizer anatomy.
Does anyone have any links to pics, vids or threads with zoomed-in details on the 510 anatomy? It's tough for these old eyes to see inside that little bugger...all I can make out is the wee ball of steel mesh or wicking material down in the center of the atty.
Does anyone have any links to pics, vids or threads with zoomed-in details on the 510 anatomy? It's tough for these old eyes to see inside that little bugger...all I can make out is the wee ball of steel mesh or wicking material down in the center of the atty.
Okay, I've kind of got it under control now. I've been skimpy with refilling my carts. I really don't want to run out of liquid, so I do as little as possible to saturate the filler. Not good. I noticed that my pre-filled carts are drenched in the stuff from top to bottom, and they don't have this problem nearly as often. I'm going to be more generous with my juice, even if it means running out.
So yeah. If you still haven't figure it out yourself, make sure your refilling technique is up to par. Putting a drop at the top of the cart will give you 1-3 drags if you're lucky. fill'er up (but don't over-fill). If you have the problem even with a full cart, then drip. I don't know why dripping works so well in comparison to pushing the atty into liquid-soaked filler, but it always gets it going when all else fails.
I think the atomizer may be heating up its end of the cartridge-filler way too much & way too fast, drying it out while not really drawing much from the rest of the cart. That's the only explanation I can come up with.
It's a weird problem. Every time I think I've got it figured out, it happens again unexpectedly. Dripping is my go-to solution right now, and the ability to drip safely is one of the strengths of the 510 anyway.
one more thing- i've noticed that twisting the cart while it's attached will soak up the atty a bit and can resolve the problem temporarily. This is bad because when you pull off the cart, a lot of the small fibers from the filler may be stuck to the atty. But it seems to work for me so far. (update: and it's still working.. not a single burnt drag after a simple twist of the cart, and it might be helping vapor production, cause I've been making clouds. i'd love to hear if this works for anyone else.)
So yeah. If you still haven't figure it out yourself, make sure your refilling technique is up to par. Putting a drop at the top of the cart will give you 1-3 drags if you're lucky. fill'er up (but don't over-fill). If you have the problem even with a full cart, then drip. I don't know why dripping works so well in comparison to pushing the atty into liquid-soaked filler, but it always gets it going when all else fails.
I think the atomizer may be heating up its end of the cartridge-filler way too much & way too fast, drying it out while not really drawing much from the rest of the cart. That's the only explanation I can come up with.
It's a weird problem. Every time I think I've got it figured out, it happens again unexpectedly. Dripping is my go-to solution right now, and the ability to drip safely is one of the strengths of the 510 anyway.
one more thing- i've noticed that twisting the cart while it's attached will soak up the atty a bit and can resolve the problem temporarily. This is bad because when you pull off the cart, a lot of the small fibers from the filler may be stuck to the atty. But it seems to work for me so far. (update: and it's still working.. not a single burnt drag after a simple twist of the cart, and it might be helping vapor production, cause I've been making clouds. i'd love to hear if this works for anyone else.)
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Dripping works due to two reasons one is gravity and momentum the drop falls to the bridge and falls further into the pot with the wick. the other reason is that it is more direct the bridge and wicking material dont need to wick anything the liquid is just there
One other thing I've noticed...
Over-smoking (too fast, too hard, too continuously) on the 510 can also contribute to a burned taste (remember that the 510 attys are famous for running hot), especially on a less-than-fresh or not-very-recently-topped-up cart.
While I was reading this forum, I was absent-mindedly sucking away on my Titan, and noticed the flavor turning a bit. I really didn't think it was time for a top-up, so I just laid the PV aside for a few minutes to let her cool down. When I picked it up again (without topping up), the flavor was just fine.
Over-smoking (too fast, too hard, too continuously) on the 510 can also contribute to a burned taste (remember that the 510 attys are famous for running hot), especially on a less-than-fresh or not-very-recently-topped-up cart.
While I was reading this forum, I was absent-mindedly sucking away on my Titan, and noticed the flavor turning a bit. I really didn't think it was time for a top-up, so I just laid the PV aside for a few minutes to let her cool down. When I picked it up again (without topping up), the flavor was just fine.
I now give the atomizer a rest between drags and never let it get to hot. This has helped a lot.
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