C-SPAN2 starting tobacco coverage now

[franklyspeaking]

I think that is enough Ayes isn't it?

 

[eric]

I can't believe these people are running our country...

 

[Surf Monkey]

So long as what I am doing doesn't interfere with your safety, security, liberty, and/or Happiness or the safety, security, liberty, and/or Happiness of others, then I don't see how it is of any of your concern. I understand that government imposes restrictions on what I can and can not do insofar as prescription drugs, illegal drugs and things of the nature, but even such regulatory matters as these I disagree with.

What you state here would directly interfere with my safety, security, liberty and/or Happiness if enacted. This is what liberty is all about, Surf Monkey. I respect your view, but I absolutely disagree with it. What you are saying here is that the government should be able make decisions for me, as though I am incapable of making them for myself.

It seems to me that you're not really listening to my position. It is a demonstrable fact that smoking related illnesses impact the whole of society. Let's look at a single example: hospitals and other care facilities are swamped with people suffering from cancers and lung diseases caused by smoking. Those beds could be available to people with non smoking related illnesses. The large number of people suffering from smoking related illnesses places strain on the entire system. That's not opinion, it's fact. Suggesting that smoking has no consequences for ANYONE but the smoker him or herself is disingenuous.

If you want to argue that society as a whole should pay for this kind of risky behavior, that's fine. We've already made that exact calculation for alcohol. I have no problem with that position whatsoever. I don't necessarily agree with it, but I don't have a problem with it. What I do have a problem with is the patent denial of the reality of the wide social cost of high risk behaviors like smoking and drinking.

Again, it's about consistency. My main issue here is that the government is being inconsistent. If they want to ban smoking, they need to do it outright, not task an agency that's supposed to keep poisons out of peoples hands with sanctioning the sale of poison. It's the idiotic skirting of the issue that's the problem. It's also the fact that legislation like this is largely based on ideology. That's why devices like the e-cigarette get lumped in with traditional smoking when they have no business being there.

 

[playerags]

Both my senators voted aye. I am so glad I have them to protect me.

 

[Ann]

Are the young people in the black suits sitting on the side lines the aids to the Senators?

 

[techtravis]

61 to 30...

 

[playerags]

I would like to punch Dodd in the face right now

 

[let_there_be_vaping]

The FDA ... they're in everyone's back pocket.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Dodd is being very reasonable about it. He's going to allow debate and voting on amendments later in the week. That's where this bill may actually be hammered into something reasonable when it comes to e-cigarettes.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Are the young people in the black suits sitting on the side lines the aids to the Senators?

Probably pages.

 

[let_there_be_vaping]

To the President, he signs, and then what?

 

[let_there_be_vaping]

Dodd is being very reasonable about it. He's going to allow debate and voting on amendments later in the week. That's where this bill may actually be hammered into something reasonable when it comes to e-cigarettes.

Well, that is some good news. Hopeful anyway.

 

[halopunker]

To the President, he signs, and then what?

YouTube - Schoolhouse Rock- How a Bill Becomes a Law

^^^ Memories

 

[Surf Monkey]

To the President, he signs, and then what?

It's not going to the president yet. They're going to debate and vote on the Burr amendment (and others) before they hold a vote on the finalized bill. It doesn't go to the president until it passes the Senate, which it hasn't done yet.

 

[playerags]

Dodd-"400,000 people die every year because of tobacco use."
And he's going to do everything in his power to keep it that way.

 

[let_there_be_vaping]

It's not going to the president yet. They're going to debate and vote on the Burr amendment (and others) before they hold a vote on the finalized bill. It doesn't go to the president until it passes the Senate, which it hasn't done yet.

Okay, then this vote was just to put tobacco under FDA jurisdiction, right?

So, now the ATF is now AF.

 

[Ann]

Probably pages.

Thank you for your answer.

 

[techtravis]

Sounds like the bought some votes for the ability to import prescription drugs.

 

[let_there_be_vaping]

Now with the FDA over tobacco won't that mean that ALL the ingredients will have to be listed on each package?

Can you imagine what the size of a pack of cigarettes is going to have to be!?! Ha, to list all those ingredients... LOL

 

[dEFinitionofEPIC]

If you want to argue that society as a whole should pay for this kind of risky behavior, that's fine. We've already made that exact calculation for alcohol. I have no problem with that position whatsoever. I don't necessarily agree with it, but I don't have a problem with it. What I do have a problem with is the patent denial of the reality of the wide social cost of high risk behaviors like smoking and drinking.

But it IS ok for "society as a whole" to pay for careless gambling done by wall street and large corporations? Right? That one lady said smoking costs 96 million a year... if that is indeed an accurate number it PALES in comparison to to the TRILLIONS of dollars taxpayers will be shelling out in an attempt to fix an economy ruined by the greed and recklessness of certain people in the upper class. Isn't this classified as a "wide social cost?" But you feel that you're right to use tobacco is what the real problem is here? C'mon....