Can someone PLEASE help me with high-VG/high-watt DIY?

[Submarine123]

Hey everyone, I am desperate to find good DIY recipes for high-VG (roughly 75% VG) and HIGH watts such as 50+ watts.

I have already spent around $50 on ingredients and flavorings, and truly, I have used them all through experiments and have absolutely come up with nothing all that good at all. If I have (twice), then somehow, it turns out completely different the next bottle I make.

First off, any recipes I receive help on, they have to be suitable for high watts and high VG. So many recipes burn at 30 watts. I've also tried recipes on DIYORDIE and I am just not having good results with those.

Of the flavors I am willing to create for my taste buds, I'm really looking for anything possible on Vanilla Custard, Vanilla Custard with a dark Pie Crust/Spices/Clove, Orange Cream, Orange Popcicle, Blueberry Lemonade, Milky Blueberry, Milky Mixed Berry, Very Milky Cereal (light/non-existant on lemon, lime, and pickle), Lemon Meringue Pie, Key Lime Pie (with crust), Strawberry Milk, Strawberries and Cream, Cake Batter, Yellow Cake, Vanilla Cupcake.

If you guys could help me with ANY of those recipes, please, please help, I can find nothing online post-2012 and I know that vaping has changed a lot since the Protank days. I need high watt recommendations!

Thank you guys so much and truly, I need help with this. I can no longer buy $20 30ml bottles nor can I let this DIY hobby take over either!

 

[Sir2fyablyNutz]

hi @Submarine123 . I have a few links for recipes you might try.

DIY
RECIPIES
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/forums/diy-e-liquid.38/
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/forums/e-liquid-recipes.349/
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/threads/for-recipes-only.10224
http://www.ecigexpress.com/cookbook/
http://www.kritikalmass.net/products.asp?cat=Clone+Recipes
http://dot1ml.com/recipes
http://www.diyrecipebook.com/
http://www.reddit.com/r/DIY_eJuice/comments/1ivjog/mega_tfa_tpa_recipe_thread/ (TFA/TPA)
http://www.reddit.com/r/DIY_eJuice/comments/350kul/solid_list_of_diy_clones/
http://www.reddit.com/r/cerealkillaclone/comments/37kinx/hic/ (FA)
http://ejuicerecipeforum.com/ejuice/community/
e-liquid-recipes <----google search
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lwfucwpfm1cxagj/AADTcC2CaNPhBvn5W1gn-hV1a?dl=0
http://eliquid-recipes.co.uk/
http://makemyvape.co.uk/pages/e-liquid-mixing-recipes
http://www.planetofthevapes.co.uk/e-liquid-recipes
http://99juices.com/recipes/popular
https://creator.zoho.com/ushatten/juice#
http://ukvapers.org/Forum-Juice-Recipes
http://www.planetofthevapes.co.uk/f...logy/70266-recipe-mega-thread.html#post773289
http://www.lediypourlesnuls.com/ <--great French site in English
http://bakeitright.com/flavor-charts
http://nouveauraw.com/raw-recipe-templates-and-development/flavor-prfiles-that-pair-well-in-recipes/
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/f...sion-tobacco-flavoring-discussion-only.667055

Good luck.

 

[Whitaker2472]

How are you measuring out your mixes? And what brand of flavors do you have. I mix mostly high vg and dont have problems.

 

[Submarine123]

This forum needs to slow down on the links because high watt DIY is relatively new and trust me for anyone who has a tongue it requires a certain science.

And I'm trying many of the recipes on DIYORDIE but they're not turning out right. I've been using a child's Robitussin thing to measure my flavors (the long thing that has incriments on it) and generally it works as good as anything else.

I put all my flavorings in that as a lump sum, and dump them into the VG, and add any PG needed after that (as I use my flavorings as "included" in the PG ratio). I used all this to create Orange Sicle from DIYORDIE (exact flavorings used FW, FA, TFA, ect ect) and the first test bottle turned out pretty great. Made a big batch of 3 60 ml bottles and it came out tasting like stale bubblegum!

I used the exact same recipe and I have no clue what gave other than it also tasted burnt after a couple puffs.

His recipes are all %13 and I'm starting to think that is way too high for max VG. I'm really looking for %10 recipes, and it'd take every experiment in the world to convert any of the DIE recipes to 10%... idk how to do that.

Other than that, I have no clue what in the world I'm doing wrong, the flavoring measurements are not off by anything near what would truly effect the flavors. One single drop here and there does not make a difference and there's literally no way to precisely measure this stuff other than in 1ml small incriments in a 10ml cylinder, even weight scale has its flaws.

I wanted to trust DIE but I think his recipes seem whack. The first Sicle bottle I did turned out great because I had cut back a little on certain ingredients and forgot to write it down. When I then followed his recipe to a tee thinking it'd improve it, it destroyed the flavor and caused my coil to burn up and it tasted like stale bubblegum.

I love his website because he's literally the first guy to attempt to really help people in a hands on, easy, made-for-current-mods and high-VG type of way, but I've wasted some good pennies trying his recipes. They're just not working, nor are any %11-15 recipies I am given.

However, I guess it could always be a bad ingredient in the mix as well. But DIE's recipes all call for 15 ingredients each and I'm not really wanting to go that far. High Watt tends to like simple, one sided slightly sweet flavors. If anybody has any simple High Watt recipes (if your juice is black or dark brown, it's not up my alley...) I think someone needs to hurry up and spill a few beans because the lack of any easy DIY starting point for high watt is really getting to me.

And no folks, %15 and %20 recipes at 70PG aren't dripper recipes... the problem I'm running into is that recipes I find call for ingredients that simply burn at the levels recommended because quite frankly you can't put in %25 of Cotton Candy expecting it to taste like a Custard just becsuse you want it to be so strong that it tastes "deep."

High PG is easy. All my mixes at 50/50 or even 65VG turn out great. I threw together a 50/50 Custard with only CAP Custard, Whipped Cream, and Sweetener and it was to die for. Same with the Sicle. High VG? 80%? Even %70? Awful. Stale. Burny.

I also refuse to use water as I HATE the taste. But I also want at least %75 VG as most Sub-Ohm tanks and drippers spit up anything lower by the gallon. But none of the recipes I try react well to that.

For example, Clouds Of Goodness is an excellent extremely high VG line that IMO doesn't use water to thin it out (if they do, I can't taste it nor does it spit back) and their flavors are just incredible. Thick as molasses and somehow smooth as silk and authentic as hell on drippers and sub tanks. I don't know how they do it.

And from so many high-VG lines I've tried, appearantly, neither do most mixers. Charlie Noble is virtually the only other company I've tried to actually pull off %80VG at highest. I don't know how they work that magic either. But I'm plain tired of recipes and juices that truly are made for Protanks and little penny-sized atties, I'm trying my hardest to make juices that work on both the Subtanks and virtually any dripper.

And my motto is that if it tastes good on a Kanger Subtank, as much of a scam as that setup is, then it's a truly "right" juice. The Subtank either requires at least %75VG to not spit back. But the coil diameters on the new VOC's and airflow intake are both so restricted that it tends to also burn ingredients that are either not top notch, are too high in concentration, or alternately if the mix is just way too thick.

So truly, it's one heck of a standard to make a juice to, and so far, truly, Charlie Noble is one of the few that somehow makes a truly well-mixed line (though their QC is horrendous) that is absolutely fantastic on subtanks and drippers. They've nailed the exact juice type that I want to create. But idk how to do it because my mixes taste nothing like something they'd put out.

And I've tried virtually every other brand on the market and just yuck. Ingrdients that burn, spit, and get way too hot. Maybe I need to try VG based flavorings? I don't know what the magic trick is here.

 

[retired1]

Not a recipe. Moved to DIY E-Liquid

 

[Daddy]

I don't know what the magic trick is here.

I'm going to guess you are over thinking things. Start simple. My most complex recipe consists of 3 flavors. When I started DIY, I used only single flavors so I knew what each tasted like on their own.

Most of the flavors you seek can be bought as a single flavor:

https://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/p-7407-orange-cream-flavor.aspx

https://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/p-7489-strawberries-and-cream-flavor.aspx

 

[b.m.]

If you like cantaloupe,tfa's cantaoupe tastes the same up to at least 100 watts.That's the highest i have tried it,but the taste never changed.

 

[satchvai]

I've had good luck with both Capella and OSDIY for high wattage vaping. Regarding DIYORDIE, I've mixed Strawberry Yogurt, Bronuts and Funfetti. All have been amazing so not getting the concerns about his recipes. For the record, I vape at 90 watts on a .24 fused clapton.

 

[EllifIknow]

I am going to put this out there due to my buddy having a 150W mod and I hit this mix. It was delicious, but I sub-Ohm at much lower outputs.

It was a mix of caramel candy (likely TFA) Vanilla, Bavarian Creme, and a touch of Strawberry. He had it set to like 70 Watts. Hit like a truck for me, but excellent flavor on some outrageous helix-type coil in an RDA.

Best guess for that mix would be:
Caramel = 7-9%
Vanilla = 4-5%
B. Cream = 5-7%
Strawberry = 4% ish

Try to get the low-down on which flavors are best at higher output mods. I plan to make that mix as soon as the caramel gets here. It was very nice, and smelled really good as well 2nd hand.

 

[Cam775]

Try buying some syringes and toss the children's robitussin thing. Are you using that one "thing" for all your flavors? If so, then maybe you're cross-contaminating your flavors. 1ml and 3ml syringes are cheap, buy 10 of each, put some clear packing tape or nail polish over the black writing and try re-creating some of those recipes.

Also, are you using an online calculator? If not, then try it.

"One singledrop here and there does not make a difference". I'm new to DIY'ing but I've read quite a few posts from very experienced folks who say that a single drop here or there DOES make a difference, sometimes a big difference. I'd try being really accurate with your measurements and percents, use accurate syringes and an online calculator and see if it helps. I'm using Subtanks and my dripper and some high % recipes (EDIT: I forgot to add, I mix 70vg/30pg) and so far so good. They're not all winners but nothing is burning up.

 

[sparkky1]

This forum needs to slow down on the links because high watt DIY is relatively new and trust me for anyone who has a tongue it requires a certain science.

And I'm trying many of the recipes on DIYORDIE but they're not turning out right. I've been using a child's Robitussin thing to measure my flavors (the long thing that has incriments on it) and generally it works as good as anything else.

I put all my flavorings in that as a lump sum, and dump them into the VG, and add any PG needed after that (as I use my flavorings as "included" in the PG ratio). I used all this to create Orange Sicle from DIYORDIE (exact flavorings used FW, FA, TFA, ect ect) and the first test bottle turned out pretty great. Made a big batch of 3 60 ml bottles and it came out tasting like stale bubblegum!

I used the exact same recipe and I have no clue what gave other than it also tasted burnt after a couple puffs.

His recipes are all %13 and I'm starting to think that is way too high for max VG. I'm really looking for %10 recipes, and it'd take every experiment in the world to convert any of the DIE recipes to 10%... idk how to do that.

Other than that, I have no clue what in the world I'm doing wrong, the flavoring measurements are not off by anything near what would truly effect the flavors. One single drop here and there does not make a difference and there's literally no way to precisely measure this stuff other than in 1ml small incriments in a 10ml cylinder, even weight scale has its flaws.

I wanted to trust DIE but I think his recipes seem whack. The first Sicle bottle I did turned out great because I had cut back a little on certain ingredients and forgot to write it down. When I then followed his recipe to a tee thinking it'd improve it, it destroyed the flavor and caused my coil to burn up and it tasted like stale bubblegum.

I love his website because he's literally the first guy to attempt to really help people in a hands on, easy, made-for-current-mods and high-VG type of way, but I've wasted some good pennies trying his recipes. They're just not working, nor are any %11-15 recipies I am given.

However, I guess it could always be a bad ingredient in the mix as well. But DIE's recipes all call for 15 ingredients each and I'm not really wanting to go that far. High Watt tends to like simple, one sided slightly sweet flavors. If anybody has any simple High Watt recipes (if your juice is black or dark brown, it's not up my alley...) I think someone needs to hurry up and spill a few beans because the lack of any easy DIY starting point for high watt is really getting to me.

And no folks, %15 and %20 recipes at 70PG aren't dripper recipes... the problem I'm running into is that recipes I find call for ingredients that simply burn at the levels recommended because quite frankly you can't put in %25 of Cotton Candy expecting it to taste like a Custard just becsuse you want it to be so strong that it tastes "deep."

High PG is easy. All my mixes at 50/50 or even 65VG turn out great. I threw together a 50/50 Custard with only CAP Custard, Whipped Cream, and Sweetener and it was to die for. Same with the Sicle. High VG? 80%? Even %70? Awful. Stale. Burny.

I also refuse to use water as I HATE the taste. But I also want at least %75 VG as most Sub-Ohm tanks and drippers spit up anything lower by the gallon. But none of the recipes I try react well to that.

For example, Clouds Of Goodness is an excellent extremely high VG line that IMO doesn't use water to thin it out (if they do, I can't taste it nor does it spit back) and their flavors are just incredible. Thick as molasses and somehow smooth as silk and authentic as hell on drippers and sub tanks. I don't know how they do it.

And from so many high-VG lines I've tried, appearantly, neither do most mixers. Charlie Noble is virtually the only other company I've tried to actually pull off %80VG at highest. I don't know how they work that magic either. But I'm plain tired of recipes and juices that truly are made for Protanks and little penny-sized atties, I'm trying my hardest to make juices that work on both the Subtanks and virtually any dripper.

And my motto is that if it tastes good on a Kanger Subtank, as much of a scam as that setup is, then it's a truly "right" juice. The Subtank either requires at least %75VG to not spit back. But the coil diameters on the new VOC's and airflow intake are both so restricted that it tends to also burn ingredients that are either not top notch, are too high in concentration, or alternately if the mix is just way too thick.

So truly, it's one heck of a standard to make a juice to, and so far, truly, Charlie Noble is one of the few that somehow makes a truly well-mixed line (though their QC is horrendous) that is absolutely fantastic on subtanks and drippers. They've nailed the exact juice type that I want to create. But idk how to do it because my mixes taste nothing like something they'd put out.

And I've tried virtually every other brand on the market and just yuck. Ingrdients that burn, spit, and get way too hot. Maybe I need to try VG based flavorings? I don't know what the magic trick is here.

What device / ohm coil / wire / wick are you using to test your recipes with ?

 

[dannyv45]

Hows your plain base at high wattage. Did you sample it alone and does it taste burnt. If so you need to get the base right for high wattage. Then fuss with the flavoring. Sweeter flavoring in high concentrations tend to burn easely at high wattage. So you may want to switch to a more concentrated flavoring like bullcity or vaping zones super concentrates. But vape your plain base and get back to us if that's OK then we can proceed further.

 

[aheatedatom]

I will second the notion that mixing in the robitussin children's syringe for measuring is not ideal- simply not very precise.

I recommend you get a 10ml syringe with a blunt tip needle (you won't be using the needle anyway though.) You can get these on Amazon or any DIY vape supplies site. They come with a cap you put on the bottom, and then you just use it like a graduated cylinder. (Cap the syringe, rest it vertically in an open glass bottle. Pour in VG/nic up to the 9.0 ml mark. After that, fill the remaining 1ML with flavoring. If there's 5 lines between 9 and 10, each is .2 ml and you can measure that precisely enough by taking your time with an eye dropper.)

When its full to the 10ml mark, put your thumb on the top to completely close it off and create negative pressure. Then pull off the stopper at the base and hold it over your empty bottle. When you release your thumb the liquid will start to flow out. Speed that up with the plastic plunger for the syringe. With that much VG it won't mix well by shaking, so drop the whole (closed) bottle in some very hot water til its thinned out, then shake up the whole thing and vape it.

Don't pour liquid directly into the syringe from a bottle, unless they have dripper tops like the plastic bottles from Capella or Flavourart. Otherwise, use a separate glass eye dropper for each flavor. Just wash out and dry some droppers from any old bottles of liquid you've used up.

Some flavors do indeed taste bad at high temperatures, others hold up well. If you're looking for simple recipes that hold up well in a dripper with high vg at 50+ watts, I'd go towards fruity flavors from TFA. Have you had Space Jam or Seduce Juice? Pretty much any of their mixes seem to use all flavors from TFA, and are easy to replicate. Space Jam tastes like tons of sucralose so I'd leave that out personally. But if you are familiar with the TFA flavors and you sniff a bottle of Seduce Juice or Space Jam you'll instantly recognize what's in it.

Try this:

4% TFA pomegranate
4% TFA Blueberry wild
2% TFA vanilla swirl
90% VG with nic of your choice

 

[EverPresentNoob]

I use a bunch of 1ml syringes... and I mix with max vg. the only PG in my mixes are from the flavorings. I use a TFV4 and a crown subohm tank when out and drip in my twisted messes at home. My coils tend to be around .2ohm. Im using a Raptor mod that I made and pushing the wattage up to around 85-100 watts. never had an issue with my juice burning.

My latest mix that Im rocking is:

Mango @ 10%
Sweet Cream @ 5%
Dragon Fruit @5%
Vanilla Swirl @3%
Bavarian Cream @2%
Sweetener @2%
+ nic base for a 3mg mix, and topping off with VG to make my full mix. I normally mix 30ml at a time.

All my flavors are from TFA, VG is from Essential Depot, and nic is from wizard labs 100mg pg based.

I would definately ditch the robitussin doo-dad and get a few cheap syringes.

 

[Hoosier]

I'm not going to offer much except that my recipes that I developed with my old 510 equipment still work with my 0.1 Ohm builds. I get the impression that I would only waste time attempting to help. All VG, all PG and anything in-between works if the recipe was developed well.

(no links to old stuff included)