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If it was not for the top banner on that page, I could mistake it for evapers site.
Well, they did rearrange some of menu items and used a few different product images so there are very subtle clues that it isn't evapers.
Yeah it's a little depressing. At least no one has cloned HappyVaper.
How much does it cost to set these e-tailers up? (Like branding your own product, stocking said product, etc) I am very tempted to open one, but have been skeptical that I have enough.
PM me if you are willing to answer, that goes for any Canadian e-tailer really. I would love bring some diversity to the table.
Yep...I thought for a minute I was on evapers when I first visited. I wish someone would bring something new to the table. At least some different hardware.
Just to let everyone know, we are aware of Canadian Vapor and would like the welcome Brenda. Evapers doesnt run Canada Vapor in any way.
Although it may seem repetitive here all the same site selling the same thing, there is a huge market outside of the forums now. Ive watched vaping grow from mainly the type of people we are on this forum, almost hobbyist for lack of a better word, to becoming much more mainstream. With the mainstream people not being interested in talking about it online, looking for the newest mod ect, they just want something quick to replace cigs and thats the end of their involvement. Its like Tim Hortons, there is one on every corner, they all sell the same thing, but if you were to open your own selling different things next to one, you wouldnt last a year..
I think now is the time to suggest here what new things you guys as vapors would like to see. There are many suppliers here reading that will and have taken almost every suggestion here, and stocked their store with it. Now is the time to enjoy that luxury before the e-cig market becomes no different than Tim Hortons/Wallmart.
Regards,
Rob
Although it may seem repetitive here all the same site selling the same thing, there is a huge market outside of the forums now. Ive watched vaping grow from mainly the type of people we are on this forum, almost hobbyist for lack of a better word, to becoming much more mainstream. With the mainstream people not being interested in talking about it online, looking for the newest mod ect, they just want something quick to replace cigs and thats the end of their involvement. Its like Tim Hortons, there is one on every corner, they all sell the same thing, but if you were to open your own selling different things next to one, you wouldnt last a year..
I think now is the time to suggest here what new things you guys as vapors would like to see. There are many suppliers here reading that will and have taken almost every suggestion here, and stocked their store with it. Now is the time to enjoy that luxury before the e-cig market becomes no different than Tim Hortons/Wallmart.
Regards,
Rob
How about customizable e-liquids like Tasty Vapor is doing in the USA?
or, Canadian distributors for Puresmoker, Vapor4Life, Vapornine, Totally Wicked, ELiquidPlanet, NHaler, Vaporkings, SuperT etc etc?
Mod batteries like CR123a, 18650, 14500, CR2's, 10440's?
If Canadian suppliers started stocking the above, I would have no need to order from the States and would be willing to pay a small premium for the convenience.
or, Canadian distributors for Puresmoker, Vapor4Life, Vapornine, Totally Wicked, ELiquidPlanet, NHaler, Vaporkings, SuperT etc etc?
Mod batteries like CR123a, 18650, 14500, CR2's, 10440's?
If Canadian suppliers started stocking the above, I would have no need to order from the States and would be willing to pay a small premium for the convenience.
If you check HAPPY VAPERS site, you will see SUPER T MANUFACTURING products listed there.
Sounds like good things are coming.
Ryan
I'l take a medium double-double and some M601 Ultra Cartomizers please
You have to admit though, Tim Horton's and WalMart do have quite a variety.
I certainly do understand the need for suppliers/sites to carry the most popular thing on the go. It just seems like every site has a lot of the same thing...510's, Ego's and juice. Now while there is nothing wrong with carrying these items, it would be nice (for me anyway) to see more variety.
I've only been vaping for a month or so and I'm already looking to get some new hardware. Not because there's anything wrong with what I have...I just want more
Hey, it's just MHO...if I'm wrong...hey I'm wrong...it happened once before
Jack @ HappyVaper also has the eGo carrying case in stock one of which I picked up at the meet on Tues. Helluva lot better than the pouch to keep stuff organized.
It seems to me that if we are politically correct people do not catch our drift. What's up with that? I'm on my 5th beer in case someone is to bet on my sobriety. Let's put it this way Friday evening has just begun. For a 250 lbs man 5 beers is like spitting in the lake. I sure would like to tie one on with BA or Greg though
Anyway...
We are not talking about mods etc,,, we are talking about deversification here. I call BS on any body that says the majority of business is off the forums, when they can't wait to flogg their products here. Folks I am 54 years old, and I learned of those marketing strategies in the 10th Gr. You folks are welcome to do the math.
For all the new vendors.
The market is stagnant right now, unless you folks know something we do not know. Trying to get your piece of this pie, at this moment in time is a crap shoot at best. You cannot or will not buy volume to make yourselves lucrative, unless you pass it on to the consumer. That is the bottom line. We the consumer on the other hand have been around the block once or twice. Why should I buy Canadian at twice the price?
So it is like this. It is called business, not friendship. Buy volume and sell reasonable and folks will patronise you, it is that simple. A vendor that can reduce his prices every couple of months by as much as 40-50%, how much markup is involved here? Hey I never graduated but I am good in math.
As far as I am concerned, bring on the vendor wars, it is good for the consumers and keeps vendors honest.
I do very little business in North America, yet I have spent much. I vape 5 ml a day, whcih for the matematically challenged represents 150ml/month. Who is selling me my juice? Why woud I want to spend $1/ml when I can get the same juice you are selling for $0.30-.40/ml, or make my own at $0.18. Should I get what I expect, wrt my daily vapes wrt flavouring, juice vendors will never see the likes of me again! Think about it folks, this is not a slam, but we as consumers aren't stupid either
Anyway...
We are not talking about mods etc,,, we are talking about deversification here. I call BS on any body that says the majority of business is off the forums, when they can't wait to flogg their products here. Folks I am 54 years old, and I learned of those marketing strategies in the 10th Gr. You folks are welcome to do the math.
For all the new vendors.
The market is stagnant right now, unless you folks know something we do not know. Trying to get your piece of this pie, at this moment in time is a crap shoot at best. You cannot or will not buy volume to make yourselves lucrative, unless you pass it on to the consumer. That is the bottom line. We the consumer on the other hand have been around the block once or twice. Why should I buy Canadian at twice the price?
So it is like this. It is called business, not friendship. Buy volume and sell reasonable and folks will patronise you, it is that simple. A vendor that can reduce his prices every couple of months by as much as 40-50%, how much markup is involved here? Hey I never graduated but I am good in math.
As far as I am concerned, bring on the vendor wars, it is good for the consumers and keeps vendors honest.
I do very little business in North America, yet I have spent much. I vape 5 ml a day, whcih for the matematically challenged represents 150ml/month. Who is selling me my juice? Why woud I want to spend $1/ml when I can get the same juice you are selling for $0.30-.40/ml, or make my own at $0.18. Should I get what I expect, wrt my daily vapes wrt flavouring, juice vendors will never see the likes of me again! Think about it folks, this is not a slam, but we as consumers aren't stupid either
We already did it with our Premium Liquids.
Just remember that vendor out there just want to sell the best e-cig model so that both customer and vendor are happy, so that may explain why everyone is selling the 510.
Just my 0.02$
Vincent
For me the main reason I buy from US suppliers more is the rediculous shipping cost in Canada! If I can get someone to ship me 100 510 cartos for $6 US, why shoud I pay $12CAD to ship an adapter? =/
I know we don't have to go through custom and stuff.... but still......
oh btw Canada post is doing a special on express post 9.99 flat rate as long as you can fit whatever you are mailing in the bubbled envelope they provided!
I know we don't have to go through custom and stuff.... but still......
oh btw Canada post is doing a special on express post 9.99 flat rate as long as you can fit whatever you are mailing in the bubbled envelope they provided!
It seems to me that if we are politically correct people do not catch our drift. What's up with that? I'm on my 5th beer in case someone is to bet on my sobriety. Let's put it this way Friday evening has just begun. For a 250 lbs man 5 beers is like spitting in the lake. I sure would like to tie one on with BA or Greg though
Anyway...
We are not talking about mods etc,,, we are talking about deversification here. I call BS on any body that says the majority of business is off the forums, when they can't wait to flogg their products here. Folks I am 54 years old, and I learned of those marketing strategies in the 10th Gr. You folks are welcome to do the math.
For all the new vendors.
The market is stagnant right now, unless you folks know something we do not know. Trying to get your piece of this pie, at this moment in time is a crap shoot at best. You cannot or will not buy volume to make yourselves lucrative, unless you pass it on to the consumer. That is the bottom line. We the consumer on the other hand have been around the block once or twice. Why should I buy Canadian at twice the price?
So it is like this. It is called business, not friendship. Buy volume and sell reasonable and folks will patronise you, it is that simple. A vendor that can reduce his prices every couple of months by as much as 40-50%, how much markup is involved here? Hey I never graduated but I am good in math.
As far as I am concerned, bring on the vendor wars, it is good for the consumers and keeps vendors honest.
I do very little business in North America, yet I have spent much. I vape 5 ml a day, whcih for the matematically challenged represents 150ml/month. Who is selling me my juice? Why woud I want to spend $1/ml when I can get the same juice you are selling for $0.30-.40/ml, or make my own at $0.18. Should I get what I expect, wrt my daily vapes wrt flavouring, juice vendors will never see the likes of me again! Think about it folks, this is not a slam, but we as consumers aren't stupid either
Not stupid but maybe a bit nieve as to what CDN suppliers go through to get product in and the risk we take reselling. I am not talking selling just hardware, any monkey could do that. It is the E juice WITH nicotine. I was just like you 4 months ago before I started in the reselling market.
Let me explain my friends what I have went through so far. In a friendly way of course. I am not saying you have to buy from Canada suppliers, it is your choice. Once I found out there were Canadian suppliers, I was sold on buying local . I never have and never will buy a import vehicle, They are really not that much better and in a lot of cases worse. The recent Toyota coming out party was beautiful to expose them, Smoke and mirrors my friends, advertising, payoffs etc etc. Anyway, way off topic here.
When there is a day when I can buy from a Canadian manufacturer, that would be my first plan, but you would still not buy because you want rock bottom prices so it is still a catch 22.
I bought my first e cig from the US. I loved it and I quit smoking the day after getting it. For good. I went the usual route of next getting in a pcc, then a car charger etc. My first 510 kits was $100 and $12 per $10ml of e juice. I had one of my automatic batteries almost catch on fire (or catch something else on fire) I was lucky I did not fall asleep yet as I could smell the burning. Anyway, I contacted the US supplier, they said ship it back. I was down to one battery and one atomizer waiting almost 2 weeks for my replacement to get in. I was also down to my last 2ml of e juice, I was in a panic I would have to buy cigarettes. I searched around in Canada and found evapers and was Thrilled with their prices. Never did I think once I should complain anywhere about prices.
I was one of those guys that was so impressed by the product, I wanted to get the word out. My partner, Terena and Kate felt the same way. So we decided to start up our business. I did not need to start it up, I have a very well paying full time job that I have been performing at poorly the last two months as the e cig business has taken up that much of my time. And that is with 2 other working with me. I did not think I would get rich from it, I wanted to help others as this product helped me. If I could make a bit of mailbox money on the side, that is all I wanted.
In the beginning, I have spent a whole month every night up till 6 am talking to Chinese suppliers explaining myself over and over of what I wanted, Trying to bring in new products as I heard a lot of people on this board asking for that. I have two unique products in and one more coming but I think I will stop bringing in requests as I have not sold one unit of anything new a different. 510's sell. Ego's sell. (Sorry I forgot, I have sold one T-Rex to Peter, the first person in Canada to own the T-Rex. Congratulation Peter!!!)
to then waiting for the order to come in, have had more than one get rejected plus the time wasted when it comes in to check it all to see if:
1. If it even works
2. If it is even what I ordered
3. Sorting out working, from none working product
4. Testing all product to make sure it is good (I test every product that comes in, always one unit at least)
4. Talking on the computer for 2-3 hours mad as hell trying to get warranty on bad product, and they do not pay to ship it back either way, even when they make the mistake. I have only had that happen twice.
5. Organizing product, Paying for website hosting, web design,gas driving to mail off the packages, our time, hours and hours trust me.
Here are some other things some may not have considered. (I didn't)
- We cover $6 - $8 of your shipping cost, pay for packaging, bubble wrap etc. Pack it up nice so it does not get damaged as we do with almost all packages going out unless the box itself provides good protection.
- We warranty for a month and if there are any problems, we have to ship out a replacement at our expense express post and take your word that it actually came in doa or crapped out and was not dropped on the pavement. Most respect sending in legit claims but I have received a battery back that I do not even sell.
- Time spent on chat boards and replying to emails. I have seen suppliers try to stick up for themselves for a lack of a better word and they usually get flamed. Well mainly just one. I never really got that. Most of us are sticking our necks out for something we are passionate about. Who has to pay our legal bills if the poop hits the fan?
-Time taking pictures of product, uploading to webiste, writing description, updating website etc. etc.
-business cards, bank account fees, our time invested and spent.
-hour and a half writing this response. I was going to drive out to my girlfriend tonight and now I am behind again. arrrg, stupid brain, i should of just ignored this post and let more mis truths go on out there.
The list goes on. I am missing a lot but this is long enough and I do not want to come across as bitter, just time someone stood up for the suppliers as it does not happen very often from what I have seen. Well, besides only one supplier that I swear has people on their payroll.
I have stuck with this biz even though I wanted to quit. I still have that burning desire to save people from smoking chemical sticks.
As for these specials/price wars, I guarantee they are loosing money on a lot of it. Lets say I put on the same special and had 1 or even 7 different people order just one bottle. Express post for one bottle is appx $12 at least if going to Ontario, So now the $14 bottle of juice is now $10 minus $1 for the packaging minus time to package, drive and stand in the line up at the post office. That juice deal has now made me loose money. E juice is a very important part of a business but so is quality and customer service.
Anyway, I hope I did not offend anyone as it will cost me business but the truth should be known and yes, I was offended by hearing stuff like keeping us honest. That is a huge slap in the face to me as I know what I have gone through to get in Quality products. I am a very long way away from turning a profit. Do you order a tv or dvd player from china cause you can save some money or do you run down to best buy or walmart to save the hastle if something goes wrong. There is always a cost for service, I learned that in my first year of the school of hard knocks. If anyone has a problem with that, then they have never ran a business and, you can probably not do anything to make them happy anyway. It is like all business owners are supposed to work for Free.
Thanks for making this Canadian section more interesting. It has been completley dead here lately.
Vape On
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I do hope you had a chance to make it out to the GF and well...
You are preaching to the choir here. I do know what you folks are going through believe it or not. In these stagnant times, it is not easy to set up shop. We have established relationships and it takes allot of swaying to get a customer base to shop elsewhere. Prices alone will not do it. Hey I like price wars, reminds me of the old days with 4 gas stations on an intersection. Esso, Shell, Texaco and Sunoco, yup I remember those days LOL.
The bottom line is, why am I not shopping at your shop? That is what needs to be answered.
My post might have appeared as a rant, that's cool you are not use to my writing style I mentioned several things in there from a customers perspective. If you can't diversify, then do one thing and do it damn good. To do anything else, you are nothing more than another vendor jumping on the bandwagon. That is not an insult by the way. We have talked privately in the past, what makes vendor x, y, z better than a, b, c.
Yes I would like to support the local economy, by all means, 3 bags full. Which economy are you supporting with your imports?
... and as all greedy North Americans, if we are in the sheet that we are in, is because of our greed that we have out priced ourselves to 3rd world countries, but hey, I'll give you a break here, we had help.
BTW continue to drive that non imported car Without prejudice...
You are preaching to the choir here. I do know what you folks are going through believe it or not. In these stagnant times, it is not easy to set up shop. We have established relationships and it takes allot of swaying to get a customer base to shop elsewhere. Prices alone will not do it. Hey I like price wars, reminds me of the old days with 4 gas stations on an intersection. Esso, Shell, Texaco and Sunoco
, yup I remember those days LOL.The bottom line is, why am I not shopping at your shop? That is what needs to be answered.
My post might have appeared as a rant, that's cool you are not use to my writing style
I mentioned several things in there from a customers perspective. If you can't diversify, then do one thing and do it damn good. To do anything else, you are nothing more than another vendor jumping on the bandwagon. That is not an insult by the way. We have talked privately in the past, what makes vendor x, y, z better than a, b, c.Yes I would like to support the local economy, by all means, 3 bags full. Which economy are you supporting with your imports?
... and as all greedy North Americans, if we are in the sheet that we are in, is because of our greed that we have out priced ourselves to 3rd world countries, but hey, I'll give you a break here, we had help.
BTW continue to drive that non imported car
Without prejudice...
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100% correct. At $14 per bottle with free shipping there were many places that even if I purchased the e-juice free, I would lose money.
Anyone can be shortsighted and think, $9 per bottle from China sold for $14 in Canada is $5 profit, times 1,000 bottles = me rich!! Works great in your mind till you wonder why your bank account is at a negative and your accountant is telling you your expenses are greater than your income.. Only solution then is to pack it in, as did the other suppliers because they didn't get any sales in a market flooded with loss liters (even if the seller doesn't have the good sense to know a loss liter and it was intended to make a profit).
Personally I did it as an advertising investment for a short time.
Point here is the lowest price is not always the best, and certainly doesn't go hand in hand with suppliers being able to supply a wide variety of goods, which is the overwhelming suggestion here.
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Nice to see you yacking with us again Rob.
As discussed in the past, cheapest is not always the best, nor the way to go. Hey, I can open up shop in Nova Scotia, there is no one else around (competition). I'm retired and have nothing else to do, but I am also a realist. I do have a pretty fair idea what is involved, and to be honest, I have not desire to go there, its pretty much a dead end at this point. I'm not being pessimistic, the train went buy a little while back.
We are in uncertain times. The market has stagnated, just ask any big established vendors, that have the capital to compete. They are feeling the pinch. The vaping community has reached a steady state. It is not growing in leaps and bounds like it once did. I have yet to meet a vaper in Halifax. I have spoken to many smokers, and converted 1.5, the 0.5 being my neighbour who is puffing away on my Safe Cig.
Once stop shopping is what folks want, well it is what I want and many have voiced their opinions along these lines as well. I do not want to go the Hank and Charlie's for batteries. I want to go to one place. I scurry for vendors that stock all my needs, to a point that I order ahead of time. It is set aside for me, until the order is complete, then it ships out. I know this is not common practice, but I have a vendor that is willing to meet my particular needs (within reason of course). What am I suppose to do, quit patronising someone who is working with me? I am glad and genuinely appreciate what is being done, in return the vendor basks in the luxury of a loyal and continued patronage.
Shipping is probably the biggest dis-satisfier out there. I know I have shipped several packages part of PIF. We are all held hostage by Canada post. However, I have recently shipped 30ml of juice to someone in need for $2.21. The first time cost me $12. I got wise, ship 5 x 6ml bottles, yes size does matter. The other day I found out a good one from CP. It cost 2 x as much to mail a wedding reply notice than it does a regular letter, because you have to pay an "undersize" fee. Yup! 2 x regular postage.
Well, besides only one supplier that I swear has people on their payroll.
We all know who that is, why?
At this point in time, it is not and easy market to break into, and I believe that is the bottom line. I tossed the idea around for a while, and simply gave up on it. Why? Timing was off!
As discussed in the past, cheapest is not always the best, nor the way to go. Hey, I can open up shop in Nova Scotia, there is no one else around (competition). I'm retired and have nothing else to do, but I am also a realist. I do have a pretty fair idea what is involved, and to be honest, I have not desire to go there, its pretty much a dead end at this point. I'm not being pessimistic, the train went buy a little while back.
We are in uncertain times. The market has stagnated, just ask any big established vendors, that have the capital to compete. They are feeling the pinch. The vaping community has reached a steady state. It is not growing in leaps and bounds like it once did. I have yet to meet a vaper in Halifax. I have spoken to many smokers, and converted 1.5, the 0.5 being my neighbour who is puffing away on my Safe Cig.
Once stop shopping is what folks want, well it is what I want and many have voiced their opinions along these lines as well. I do not want to go the Hank and Charlie's for batteries. I want to go to one place. I scurry for vendors that stock all my needs, to a point that I order ahead of time. It is set aside for me, until the order is complete, then it ships out. I know this is not common practice, but I have a vendor that is willing to meet my particular needs (within reason of course). What am I suppose to do, quit patronising someone who is working with me? I am glad and genuinely appreciate what is being done, in return the vendor basks in the luxury of a loyal and continued patronage.
Shipping is probably the biggest dis-satisfier out there. I know I have shipped several packages part of PIF. We are all held hostage by Canada post. However, I have recently shipped 30ml of juice to someone in need for $2.21. The first time cost me $12. I got wise, ship 5 x 6ml bottles, yes size does matter. The other day I found out a good one from CP. It cost 2 x as much to mail a wedding reply notice than it does a regular letter, because you have to pay an "undersize" fee. Yup! 2 x regular postage.
Well, besides only one supplier that I swear has people on their payroll.
We all know who that is, why?
At this point in time, it is not and easy market to break into, and I believe that is the bottom line. I tossed the idea around for a while, and simply gave up on it. Why? Timing was off!
For me being Canadian,I try to support the locals.I do order from the states from time to time.But risking it getting snagged at the border cause Health Canada are ....... sucks.But hey I just love to vape and try to support the vendors cause they are the ones putting their butts on the line so we can enjoy vaping.Thanks to ALL the vendors out there.
I do hope you had a chance to make it out to the GF and well...
The bottom line is, why am I not shopping at your shop? That is what needs to be answered.
My post might have appeared as a rant, that's cool you are not use to my writing style
Yes I would like to support the local economy, by all means, 3 bags full. Which economy are you supporting with your imports?BTW continue to drive that non imported car
I do remember you. All is cool.
not at first as you switched your polar bear avatar, maybe to the more gentle Monkey thingy, That reminds me, have you ever seen a polar bear in a zoo? We had one in Calgary here before it died of depression. I saw it, it was really sad, It would walk back and forth like it was a mechanical polar bear, stepping in the exact same place and turning at the exact same place. Anyway, my A-D-D kicked in again.I do know why you do not shop at my shop, price, you are no rookie to be able to bring supplies in yourself and save some money, I get that. Also at your age, (no offense) you probably have more time on your hands than the average bear, to put a bit more time into it. That is cool that you give the consumers side of things but that is the next verse same as the first. I wanted to give a suppliers side of it and I can only share my experience. Maybe some suppliers are getting crazy insane prices they want to share with me.............ok, I have stopped holding my breath now.
As for the imports, I knew that would come up but we all buy Chinese, so much is made from china, and besides, if we refused to buy we would be terrible racists right? There is an American supplier that claims to be made in usa but I talked to their service rep in China that sold them out pretty quick and told me they do not make it. How do you really know what you are getting? (please no pm's asking who it is) For Canada to be taken serious we need to change our attitude, our way of life, it is not going to happen. I think it may be a while before a Canadian factory makes e cigs, how can they, they would never compete
Maybe this whole health Canada thing will go away, or maybe they will Ban it, tax it etc. I know who I will still be selling E juice to, People that supported me in the early days. That just makes sense to me.
Well, back to work, an no I did not get to drive out to see the GF, Tomorrow I will get into my great big gasoline guzzler made partially in America and head out there.
Good night all!!
(O'dules)B
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