Understand what u are saying but being that the top maker is in this forum and doesnt go to other forums is a slap in the face to allow any of that period. I'm sure you wouldn't like if your creation was ripped, something you have dedicated yourself to to the best of your abilities for people not to understand what stress and hard work goes into it, it would hurt you man. I'm talking about every top maker that gets ripped not just one because they all do and people that want it now, at a good price don't make anything better. Sure he doesn't lose anything but the ethics are lost. It's not gonna stop but our world is new, too new to not support innovation.
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Urq,
We can argue ethics till we are blue in the face. I have 4 kids that are all principle's list honor roll students. I am an artist. I am not saying this to say "Look how awesome I am". I am saying this because I do understand.
I also understand your point about ethics in a blossoming industry and protecting this "child" were raising, if you will.
As far as the modder being on this forum, I believe he himself said he was banned here way back when he began his venture for mentioning he was modding and selling.
I think we are going to have to agree to disagree. Business ethics in this country are dead. Big box everything and pensions being ripped away from people, retirements lost to wall st, etc... So to think that we are going to rise as a new industry in this country and somehow avoid that trend, well I just dont see it.
I understand both sides of this coin, though I don't agree with both. Here is some food for thought.
What happens when the modders, the true innovators loose heart with ripping of concepts and poorly executed copies. It's fairly obvious the copies are little more than poor attempts. The look might be similar with lesser quality materials, however the function ( the true need of a nic addicted culture) is just not there. If vaping were dependent on China to produce advanced gear we'd be in a world of hurt. They do no R&D, their products work poorly, the materials are suspect. I imagine many would go back to analogs out of sheer frustration.
I am thankful to have a few pieces of great gear made by true innovators, out of top quality materials. I'm not a magpie, some are. My gear is made to last a lifetime with proper care. Who can say that about what China pumps out? And then there is the argument of what one spent burning analogs per month without a thought. When I went 100% vaping it was $140/mo. I could have a new piece of gear almost monthly with that. I choose to be practical and have saved thousands by purchasing gear that will serve me well till I'm gone.
What happens when the modders, the true innovators loose heart with ripping of concepts and poorly executed copies. It's fairly obvious the copies are little more than poor attempts. The look might be similar with lesser quality materials, however the function ( the true need of a nic addicted culture) is just not there. If vaping were dependent on China to produce advanced gear we'd be in a world of hurt. They do no R&D, their products work poorly, the materials are suspect. I imagine many would go back to analogs out of sheer frustration.
I am thankful to have a few pieces of great gear made by true innovators, out of top quality materials. I'm not a magpie, some are. My gear is made to last a lifetime with proper care. Who can say that about what China pumps out? And then there is the argument of what one spent burning analogs per month without a thought. When I went 100% vaping it was $140/mo. I could have a new piece of gear almost monthly with that. I choose to be practical and have saved thousands by purchasing gear that will serve me well till I'm gone.
do not forget that pedro was not he first to create a tube with a bottom switch... should perseas (gp paps), or Gus, or anyone who had a bottom firing switch before Perdro created the Caravela be ...... at Pedro for ripping them off? think about it
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I don't think anybody in this thread is on a high horse.
Now in the lynch mob in the other venue they are def on high horses. Here we are just having a civilized debate.
Now in the lynch mob in the other venue they are def on high horses. Here we are just having a civilized debate.
thanks troy. im planning on using my AGA-T2 on it and that measurement sounds like a nice fit.
@troy,
when you did the spring shortening, is there any tips on cutting it? or did you just replace the spring with another shorter one?
I still have the other Cclone to tinker with.
I haven't needed to sand anything as it hits good as is.
when you did the spring shortening, is there any tips on cutting it? or did you just replace the spring with another shorter one?
I still have the other Cclone to tinker with.
I haven't needed to sand anything as it hits good as is.
hey Uke, i just snipped the end that meets the battery. i would recommend finding a shorter spring though. after messing with it too much i had some troubles with it not lining up properly and that could cause the spring to contact the tube and the battery causing a short. not a good thing. material of spring wont matter as it is just part of the switch not the circuit.
got it... thanks for precise info. I'll look for something shorter than orig.
btw... what does it mean if you bottom button (on a sig #8) gets warm, hot even once and a while?
I only sanded the top contact and it hits fine (.9 Geni atomizer).
btw... what does it mean if you bottom button (on a sig #8) gets warm, hot even once and a while?
I only sanded the top contact and it hits fine (.9 Geni atomizer).
that means the voltage from your battery is being turned into heat instead of vapor! sand the button and mod up that spring cup!
what do you do to the spring cup... ? It only happens on first vape of a session.
lucky you there is a thread devoted to modding the sigelei's here http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/apv-discussion/399678-sigelei-mechnical-mods.html you'll find all your answers there
If someone calls a man and his decisions stupid and believes that this is part of a civilized debate, then probably he don't mind if someone will call him the same or even coarser... Apparently he thinks that on this was built freedom of speech LOL Ok.
If someone consider himself the right to do whatever he wants, why he refuses in this right others? Why he admits that manufacturer has no right to decide under what conditions and to whom sell his own mod? Dont you think?
I know for sure that no one was banned from buying Caravela again if he just sold his Caravela or even for profit at 2-3 times more than present value. Because one of them is our eloquent speaker - kwalka LOL
If Pedro and
Or better, c'mon, show us an example and voluntarily give up from evil mod/arrogant machine
Just think, you will have more money to buy Chinese clones, which you so ardently maintain
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If someone calls a man and his decisions stupid and believes that this is part of a civilized debate, then probably he don't mind if someone will call him the same or even coarser... Apparently he thinks that on this was built freedom of speech LOL Ok.
If someone consider himself the right to do whatever he wants, why he refuses in this right others? Why he admits that manufacturer has no right to decide under what conditions and to whom sell his own mod? Dont you think?
I know for sure that no one was banned from buying Caravela again if he just sold his Caravela or even for profit at 2-3 times more than present value. Because one of them is our eloquent speaker - kwalka LOL
If Pedro andteamsorry clique are so arrogant, maybe they need to refund your money for spare parts in this month batch (which btw you have no rigts to own, otherwise, why do you think it's called spares?) and you will go buy it for market prices on FB? What do you think about, kwalka, will you like it?
Or better, c'mon, show us an example and voluntarily give up from evil mod/arrogant machine
Just think, you will have more money to buy Chinese clones, which you so ardently maintain
Listen the guy Pedro I'm positive is a good guy. He made a very attractive battery mod that probably went over better than expected. I joined the forum over there (only way to get info on how to buy) and was told "your out of luck". Now, don't anyone tell me that more cant be made, that is BS. All of the fan boys only enjoy the Caravela experience because they have an item you can't buy. Other mods perform better. Others like the poldiac are just as attractive in my eyes. It's a shame they aren't selling more, but then again that's by design because then the "lure" would be gone and people would realize it's just a simple design with tasteful finishing. Do I think Pedro loves the attention and fan fare? Absolutely. Is it human? Yes.
Would it be a cool thing to consider that we vape to not smoke cigarettes and fill the demand of those seeking a vaping experience to better enjoy not smoking? Yes. We should all be here to support each other. If that means making more of a good product then why not? Why not charge more for it new to offset the time invested? It's still cheaper and more ethical than price gouging. Vaping is not meant to satisfy the "collectors", it's like saying a bunch of fat people can't have a designer weight-loss device because its limited lol. Makes little sense.
As far as china clones, well they aren't hurting sales when you can't buy one. They might however stop the used price gouging if you can get the look of what you were after. The GG clones aren't taking NEW sales away that support the original vendor, they might affect the scumbag who wants to profit a used item or pre- purchased item. Do you think Rolex cares that you can buy a fake? They only care if the fake was sold as the real thing to fool people.
Pedro would really impress me if he did more for the community. Give people what they want, and make a few bucks doing it. It's a simple concept and in the end we are all here for the same purpose.
I wouldn't call it a rip-off if the design is not similar. What they share are similar attributes:
1) 22mm tubes in differing / optional sizes
2) Bottom switch
Do they look the same? Not really. Logos / engravings, different finishes and even customizations.
On the other hand, a rip-off would mean designing something to look exactly like what you intended to copy in the first place. Think clones.
By buying clones to see whether you'd like to buy the original, is really a strange idea indeed. If the clone doesn't work as well, would you think the original is similar? Function wise, it is a battery tube after all but it comes with no needed adjustments / modifications to work exceptionally well. And how would you justify buying an original if the clone doesn't work that well, knowing that the original is definitely better?
I understand the need, or rather want, for top gears but the lack of availability is a turn-off to some. If you feel you've missed the boat on this one, why not move on and look out for the next big thing? But I digress. For those who feel these kinda stuffs are expensive, let me put it this way: When you buy an original, you know there'll still be marketable value for one even if you don't like it. It won't be an expensive mistake as you could sell for retail, and to some, even more. Whereas, when you buy a clone, and mod it, and turns out, you don't really like it, you'd have to sell at a loss, no matter if it works or not. Where's the financial balance there then?
And no, I'm not part of the lynch mob so I'm having a civilized debate. Stimulate my mind, please..?
When I got into vaping 5 months ago I didn't know what to expect. I thought things were going to get cheaper quitting analogs. I remember buying an Ego-twist at a brick & mortar, one of the guys at the shop suggested an Evic. I thought to myself that this guy must be crazy if he thinks I'm spending $115 on a huge battery mod. I was trying to quit smoking and save money. Well things didn't turn out that way. I'm now spending way more than expected. Which is disappointing to me.
I got out of one habit and into a more expensive one. I don't like the feeling of needing something new all the time. Never being satisfied. I'm not sure if it's because e-cigs will never truly replace the satisfaction of a real cigarette. It must have really left a void, because I have gotten into other hobbies and none have ever made me so obsessive over buying something new all the time. I have been slowly accepting the expensive prices that are the asking price of these crafted mods and devices. E-cigs is still growing and all these new and hot products coming out are always going to demand a high price. Heck that's how all new products start out. I remember when compact disc players were $400. DVD players were $400-$500. I'll accept these high prices now due to most of the modders being small shops. I'm just hoping in the future when e-cigs become more accepted, companies step in and start producing good quality products for a lower price. I could care less about custom, limited edition, rare, or serial numbers. I just want a solid built mod that looks nice and performs great.
Like Vcoupe mentioned, I don't think any of these mods coming out of China will hurt any of the mod makers. So far everything they release gets sold out quickly. The only thing I can imagine that would hurt them would be if a company produces mods and devices of the same quality, attractiveness, performance but have them readily available. Especially at a lower price. Right now it's a good and bad thing with all these products coming out of china. It's good because they are affordable and available. Heck, there are many that are really good. The bad is that some of them are just plain crap.
As far as the whole Carvela being unobtainable. If your family members don't know what it is, your friends don't know what it is, co-workers don't know what it is, and people on the street don't know what it is. Then who gives a crap about a tube with a boat on it.
I got out of one habit and into a more expensive one. I don't like the feeling of needing something new all the time. Never being satisfied. I'm not sure if it's because e-cigs will never truly replace the satisfaction of a real cigarette. It must have really left a void, because I have gotten into other hobbies and none have ever made me so obsessive over buying something new all the time. I have been slowly accepting the expensive prices that are the asking price of these crafted mods and devices. E-cigs is still growing and all these new and hot products coming out are always going to demand a high price. Heck that's how all new products start out. I remember when compact disc players were $400. DVD players were $400-$500. I'll accept these high prices now due to most of the modders being small shops. I'm just hoping in the future when e-cigs become more accepted, companies step in and start producing good quality products for a lower price. I could care less about custom, limited edition, rare, or serial numbers. I just want a solid built mod that looks nice and performs great.
Like Vcoupe mentioned, I don't think any of these mods coming out of China will hurt any of the mod makers. So far everything they release gets sold out quickly. The only thing I can imagine that would hurt them would be if a company produces mods and devices of the same quality, attractiveness, performance but have them readily available. Especially at a lower price. Right now it's a good and bad thing with all these products coming out of china. It's good because they are affordable and available. Heck, there are many that are really good. The bad is that some of them are just plain crap.
As far as the whole Carvela being unobtainable. If your family members don't know what it is, your friends don't know what it is, co-workers don't know what it is, and people on the street don't know what it is. Then who gives a crap about a tube with a boat on it.
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