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Kate51

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I've been of the opinion that e-cigs are always now going to be e-cigs...that's how they were marketed in the beginning, that's how all the testing that has been done has referred to them. Since we here are consumers rather than manufacturers it seems rather silly to try to re-name them the Washington Monument.
But this movement is for sure a "Social Advocacy For Effective Replacement (SAFER)" , how could that be wrongly interpreted. And Prove it? It's been proven that "smoking kills". That's all we hear from anti-smoking groups all the time, the horrible stats.
Wow, we could just fish through the posts on ECF and find thousands of probable causes for that theory, although they're not really stats; I can breathe, I can smell things, my blood pressure medication was stopped, bronchitis went away. Just those lists floating around here with lab certified testing of cigarette chemicals and carcinogens, the reports of safer alternatives that are known (snus, for one) and the list of benefits of nicotine, it goes on and on. If someone wants proof I guess there's probably going to have to be a few deaths, autopsies, and resurrections before that could honestly happen. There have been quite a few that did (self) cotinine testing for metabolized nicotine, which would never stand up in any lab, but living breathing people won't necessarily have toxicology tests to prove what they now already. You don't go to a Doctor after your cold is better, then go get tested to see if it was a cold. So
I love that above quote I emboldened, but what to follow, "of tobacco Smoking", or "of smoking", or just "tobacco", because it's catchy but stops short of 'what' is replaced. Ha, I'm repulsed by the word 'smoking', isn't that something. But it's probably the right one. The politically acceptable one.
It's like a divorce, once you get one, you can't call you kid's Mom anything but "the kid's Mom", you have to be real. So I say keep it all real.
 

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I've been of the opinion that e-cigs are always now going to be e-cigs...that's how they were marketed in the beginning, that's how all the testing that has been done has referred to them. Since we here are consumers rather than manufacturers it seems rather silly to try to re-name them the Washington Monument.

Good point.



I would also like to open the floor (forum?) for recommendations to the board. Nominations will be received until by Midnight, October 4th, 2009 at which point all potential board members will be contacted and asked if they would serve if elected.

The list will be posted online and users will have one week to cast votes via the web for their candidate(s).

Note: Board Members MUST be willing to provide their real names and contact information. (The IRS isn't exactly going to buy that we are a valid entity with member names like "fluffybunny241" or "ecigzZmoker")

I realize that there are many e-cig users who are not on this forum or do not read ECF regularly, so for them please tell any e-cig users or suppliers you know that they may also email their recommendations to board@casaa.org

How many people will the board be comprised of?

I'll be the first to nominate Webby (officially).
 
I think I can comfortably second that Mtndude, however isn't Webby a supplier? Should the board not include any suppliers?

What distinguishes CASAA from ECA and RtV is that we are an organization for consumers and suppliers. The board should certainly consist of both as well, and having suppliers on the board has a lot of practical benefits especially since many "suppliers" are small business owners and I think the entrepreneur spirit should be more than welcome on the board.
 
Perhaps the best compromise is to have a wide aim, free of tricky terms, and then goals that are more specific.

Mission
The mission of CASAA is to support and defend the consumers' right to replace smoking with the widest possible choice of smoke-free alternatives.

Objectives:
1. To promote the study and use of safer and more-effective smoking replacements, in particular the Personal Vaporiser (aka 'e-cigarette') because experience and testing so far shows it has the most promise.
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I really like the wording, kinabaloo, and you're absolutely right, cast a big net, keep terms simple and familiar. We all want testing, as deeply as anything we all want the choices we make to be dependably available to all while further testing is done. E-cigs cannot be put on a banned sale list in any way shape or form, and I can even understand bans in public access areas...I would like users to be aware that "smoking anywhere" demonstrations on a "because I can whether you like it or not" attitude can be detrimental to our own welfare overall. I think we've all been trying to quash the understandable enthusiasm of public demonstrations "in your face" style here on ECF at every opportunity.
I've never in my lifetime seen such division and controversy regarding new techological breakthroughs, and our own governmental entities being so averse to a single public welfare issue as e-cigs vs smoking has been welcomed with. The failure of these devices is unfathomable to already tens of thousands of people. We must somehow convey the notion that so many cannot be so wrong. The human mind is far better at understanding our own bodies, and our own health issues are being regulated with far too much false misleading and criminal actions of those same entities that have decided individuals are incapable of regulating their own destiny. We've been exposed to too much already, and we all know those entities who are victimizing common sense.
I believe with all my heart that in most cases those decisions made for us are not for us, they've been made on behalf of some kind of power over us, for political or selfish economical reasons. At the same time these "entities" are responsible to regulate and protect the population from true hazards, so we must find an umbrella within them that will cover all of us without the smothering! Regulations do hold manufacturers and distributors of every conceivable man-made product in the world to certain standards, yet we see to black ooze of greed and organized deceptions bubble up all the time, because it always finds those tiny cracks left when the money is slipped out of the mortar. Big Tobacco is one culprit. Big Pharma another. Big Brother yet another, and usually the benefit is to them. There are many more. I hope and pray E-cigs can avoid falling into the ooze. I for one want them to be seen in the sunshine!
 
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I really like the wording, kinabaloo, and you're absolutely right, cast a big net, keep terms simple and familiar. We all want testing, as deeply as anything we all want the choices we make to be dependably available to all while further testing is done. E-cigs cannot be put on a banned sale list in any way shape or form, and I can even understand bans in public access areas...I would like users to be aware that "smoking anywhere" demonstrations on a "because I can whether you like it or not" attitude can be detrimental to our own welfare overall. I think we've all been trying to quash the understandable enthusiasm of public demonstrations "in your face" style here on ECF at every opportunity.
I've never in my lifetime seen such division and controversy regarding new techological breakthroughs, and our own governmental entities being so averse to a single public welfare issue as e-cigs vs smoking has been welcomed with. The failure of these devices is unfathomable to already tens of thousands of people. We must somehow convey the notion that so many cannot be so wrong. The human mind is far better at understanding our own bodies, and our own health issues are being regulated with far too much false misleading and criminal actions of those same entities that have decided individuals are incapable of regulating their own destiny. We've been exposed to too much already, and we all know those entities who are victimizing common sense.
I believe with all my heart that in most cases those decisions made for us are not for us, they've been made on behalf of some kind of power over us, for political or selfish economical reasons. At the same time these "entities" are responsible to regulate and protect the population from true hazards, so we must find an umbrella within them that will cover all of us without the smothering! Regulations do hold manufacturers and distributors of every conceivable man-made product in the world to certain standards, yet we see to black ooze of greed and organized deceptions bubble up all the time, because it always finds those tiny cracks left when the money is slipped out. Big Tobacco is one culprit. Big Pharma another. Big Brother yet another. There are many more. I hope and pray E-cigs can avoid falling into the ooze. I for one want them to be seen in the sunshine!

Two things I would like to see to help win the battle for acceptance are:

* a major focus on testimonials on the CASAA website

* the involvement of doctors - GPs as well as professors and researchers; this would really help

Which is why I am always heartened to see newbies mention that their doctor welcomed their use of the e-cig and was pleasantly surprised by the fast results in terms of health improvements.

Perhaps in time a doctors/medical group within CASAA will form ...
 
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What distinguishes CASAA from ECA and RtV is that we are an organization for consumers and suppliers. The board should certainly consist of both as well, and having suppliers on the board has a lot of practical benefits especially since many "suppliers" are small business owners and I think the entrepreneur spirit should be more than welcome on the board.

That was a big part of Eric and I pushing for the development of this group. Both RtV and ECA both welcome non-voting members, but we really didn't see the justification of there being a difference. I can certainly understand and respect their rationale for doing so, we're just different. Unlike RtV, we don't have major medical studies going on where we need to protect our objectivity. Unlike ECA, we don't require you to be a supplier to have a voice in the direction of the organization. I would say suppliers should have no more voice than any other user - one person, one vote.

This is why I was so adamant that suppliers could NOT advertise in any way on CASAA's web site. IMHO, the fact that we make no differentiation in our members is a strength.

Most suppliers aren't execs sitting on the board of their company - they ARE their "company" We're just users who fell in love with the product and (for a variety of reasons) decided to sell them too. While some may be stereotypical shyster shamwow salesmen, most that I've spoken to are among the most knowledgeable advocates you can find, (on ECF or off).

Think about it, we've tried nearly every e-cig out there, heard every customer issue that can come up and follow the legal and medical arguments like our businesses depended on it...because...well...

 
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mtndude

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After the voting is finished, and all Board members elected are comprised of only suppliers, would anyone have a problem with that?
Really not trying to be a troublemaker, just curious.

My answer later ;-)

It wouldn't look good.

I also nominate Thulium. and kinabaloo

Come on people, let's have some nominations.
 

Kamanjah

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I just realized there is more than one thread here discussing the mission statement. Between discussions being spread across multiple threads and the blasted server being too busy every other page or so, it's next to impossible to keep a train of thought whilst trying to find the other posts in other threads.

Perchance, has anyone saved all the mission statement discussions in one place? If so, please PM me so I can give you my email addy to send it to me so I can go over it.

Wording that was taken out on another thread is now back under discussion in this thread.

We need:
Mission Statement
Vision Statement
Goals
Objectives
and each should have a dedicated thread as we go step by step trying to organize this.

Just my $.02 - and a tad of frustration at going in circles and not being able to access the board after I finish reading a page!
 

Vocalek

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Mission
The mission of CASAA is to support and defend the consumers' right to replace smoking with the widest possible choice of smoke-free alternatives.

I like this statement. However, I would suggest that we insert the word "tobacco" in front of "smoking" for the sake of specificity. We have people out there who insist that what we are doing is "smoking". Hmmm... and how about inserting "less harmful" between "of" and "smoke-free."

Reworded:
Mission
The mission of CASAA is to support and defend the consumers' right to replace tobacco smoking with the widest possible choice of less harmful smoke-free alternatives.
 
Perhaps the best compromise is to have a wide aim, free of tricky terms, and then goals that are more specific.

Mission
The mission of CASAA is to support and defend the consumers' right to replace smoking with the widest possible choice of smoke-free alternatives.

Objectives:
1. To promote the study and use of safer and more-effective smoking replacements, in particular the Personal Vaporiser (aka 'e-cigarette') because experience and testing so far shows it has the most promise.
...

I absolutely agree with this format. Although promoting PV's is our first and foremost objective, it is not the driving mission. If a technology comes along that is safer and more effective than personal vaporizers, I think it would be our obligation to support the consumer's right to choose it. Depending on the outcome of legal wranglings with the FDA, it may change the way we deal with e-cigarettes/PVs so that could impact our objectives but our mission should stay the same.
 
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