Chalice - MarkBugs Bottom Feeder Atomiser - Official thread

[want to quit]

Well Written sir. I would have placed my coil just like that, directly over the hole but I guess that's really not how its done. FREAKING USPS why did ya'll get yours and the stupid German in Redneck paradise get's slow acc delivery??

I do enjoy to see all the pics

the airhole inlet on mine is directly opposite the word chalice at the rear of the atty ideally you should set it up that the inner airhole is up when you vape this is equal to any other atty where you would set up the airhole to be up...

small chamber atties need a lighter squonk because it takes less volume displacement to fill and can leak quicker. the chalice 3 can leak too but it don't leak outside, instead it leaks into the inner chamber between the walls... this will cause gurgling. keep one thing in mind though, when ever you hear gurgling in the chalice 3, that would have been a leak pouring fluid out of your airhole had it been a chalice II or most any other conventional atties. on the bottom feeder I showed my chalice on it's set up for a chalice exclusively, never had any other atty on it so I made the squonk hole in the door pretty tiny. I can't even fit my whole fingertip through the hole but with a tiny atty like a chalice I never need to, just a slight depression with a finger tip is enough to saturate the wick in a chalice. if you don't oversquonk and you set the atty up with the airhole up as you vape you can get to the point of no gurgling at all but the beauty here is, instead of leaking from an oversquonk it just gurgles until you clear the excess fluid. it gets sucked right back into the chamber as you draw. in a lot of ways this is very similar to the immortalizer atty as a bottom feed because it has a similar dual wall airpath, but the immortalizer differed in that it drew air from below the coil so it almost always gurgled. oh and on that subject bobc, bro, I think you aren't right in the way your imagining the airflow here, the way you have your coil your air inlet is going to be right where your wick is.... if you think it's vaping good now then try it with the coil facing away from the 2 posts, the air does not come up from the center like a kayfun or a magma, it comes in from the side opposite the posts from inside the cap

 

[Cliven]

the airhole inlet on mine is directly opposite the word chalice at the rear of the atty ideally you should set it up that the inner airhole is up when you vape this is equal to any other atty where you would set up the airhole to be up...

small chamber atties need a lighter squonk because it takes less volume displacement to fill and can leak quicker. the chalice 3 can leak too but it don't leak outside, instead it leaks into the inner chamber between the walls... this will cause gurgling. keep one thing in mind though, when ever you hear gurgling in the chalice 3, that would have been a leak pouring fluid out of your airhole had it been a chalice II or most any other conventional atties. on the bottom feeder I showed my chalice on it's set up for a chalice exclusively, never had any other atty on it so I made the squonk hole in the door pretty tiny. I can't even fit my whole fingertip through the hole but with a tiny atty like a chalice I never need to, just a slight depression with a finger tip is enough to saturate the wick in a chalice. if you don't oversquonk and you set the atty up with the airhole up as you vape you can get to the point of no gurgling at all but the beauty here is, instead of leaking from an oversquonk it just gurgles until you clear the excess fluid. it gets sucked right back into the chamber as you draw. in a lot of ways this is very similar to the immortalizer atty as a bottom feed because it has a similar dual wall airpath, but the immortalizer differed in that it drew air from below the coil so it almost always gurgled. oh and on that subject bobc, bro, I think you aren't right in the way your imagining the airflow here, the way you have your coil your air inlet is going to be right where your wick is.... if you think it's vaping good now then try it with the coil facing away from the 2 posts, the air does not come up from the center like a kayfun or a magma, it comes in from the side opposite the posts from inside the cap

Thanks Turbo! Very well written and informative!

 

[BobC]

the airhole inlet on mine is directly opposite the word chalice at the rear of the atty ideally you should set it up that the inner airhole is up when you vape this is equal to any other atty where you would set up the airhole to be up...

small chamber atties need a lighter squonk because it takes less volume displacement to fill and can leak quicker. the chalice 3 can leak too but it don't leak outside, instead it leaks into the inner chamber between the walls... this will cause gurgling. keep one thing in mind though, when ever you hear gurgling in the chalice 3, that would have been a leak pouring fluid out of your airhole had it been a chalice II or most any other conventional atties. on the bottom feeder I showed my chalice on it's set up for a chalice exclusively, never had any other atty on it so I made the squonk hole in the door pretty tiny. I can't even fit my whole fingertip through the hole but with a tiny atty like a chalice I never need to, just a slight depression with a finger tip is enough to saturate the wick in a chalice. if you don't oversquonk and you set the atty up with the airhole up as you vape you can get to the point of no gurgling at all but the beauty here is, instead of leaking from an oversquonk it just gurgles until you clear the excess fluid. it gets sucked right back into the chamber as you draw. in a lot of ways this is very similar to the immortalizer atty as a bottom feed because it has a similar dual wall airpath, but the immortalizer differed in that it drew air from below the coil so it almost always gurgled. oh and on that subject bobc, bro, I think you aren't right in the way your imagining the airflow here, the way you have your coil your air inlet is going to be right where your wick is.... if you think it's vaping good now then try it with the coil facing away from the 2 posts, the air does not come up from the center like a kayfun or a magma, it comes in from the side opposite the posts from inside the cap

Tried it that way as well, personally, like it centered much better. The airflow through the coils I speak of comes from the disbursement effect when hitting the base, the air is pulled through the coil when you draw

 

[BobC]

Well Written sir. I would have placed my coil just like that, directly over the hole but I guess that's really not how its done. FREAKING USPS why did ya'll get yours and the stupid German in Redneck paradise get's slow acc delivery??

I do enjoy to see all the pics

It's never 'how it's done' it's always how you like it

 

[Filthy-Beast]

Hehe yup!

As a general positioning reference,

1) the "C" is a good approximation of the position of the internal airhole

2) the left most edge of the "C" and the right edge of the "III" are where the airholes are.

These are of course for my units. I do expect the consistency of MB's manufacturing to be top notch, so it could be universally applicable


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Number 2 machtes both of mine for the 3 air holes in the top, however my internal air hole is different on each, one is lined up at the A, the other right below an air hole and lines up just in front of the C.

My battery voltage dropped and I thought I was having squonking issues, If you squonk enough you can push juice out all three holes at the same time

 

[Papa_Lazarou]

If you squonk enough you can push juice out all three holes at the same time

Heh - nice. Well, somebody was going to find that out.

 

[BobC]

That's a hellofa squonk

 

[turbocad6]

Tried it that way as well, personally, like it centered much better. The airflow through the coils I speak of comes from the disbursement effect when hitting the base, the air is pulled through the coil when you draw

It's never 'how it's done' it's always how you like it

that's very true of course, I thought you meant the air was coming up from the center hole... you would love the chalice II with a z coil, that's exactly how it works with the air from the side and the coil in the center of the deck. I find that extra distance adds to throat hit

 

[Train2]

For sure - you must have pushed, what...like half a bottle up the tube?
Sorry that happened, but glad it wasn't me first.
LOL

My battery voltage dropped and I thought I was having squonking issues, If you squonk enough you can push juice out all three holes at the same time

Heh - nice. Well, somebody was going to find that out.

That's a hellofa squonk

 

[ZeroOhms]

Some contribution to the community. Old news for Reonauts but folks who are new to BF atty might find it helpful.
For small chamber BF atty like Chalice, I found the following combinations work nicely.
- Space coil (instead of standard micro coil) for better heat distribution
- Larger coil diameter for more cotton stuffing
- Short tail for cleaner deck, better drainage, and less gunk build up

Building this coil spec (especially Z coil on C II) can be pain. But if you use Machine Screw #4 - 40 (widely available in hardware store), it can be pretty simple. Diameter comes out to be little larger than 3/32 bit coil. I do free hand, but you can easily build jigs by using matching nuts and some washer.
Anyway, pics or it never happened. So I took some pics just now while rebuilding my C II.

Initial coil wrap using the screw

Comes out pretty clean on the deck. Keep the screw on while tightening the coil to the post.

Tail in the pic is little longer than what I usually use. Also, if the tail fans out too much, I trim them as well. Keep them small.

 

[turbocad6]

Heat transfer to drip tip is the weakest link in small chamber design. Any feedback on this?

from my experience with it so far I will say that the chalice was always good in this regard because of so little mass to retain heat, but the C3 really steps that up a notch or 2 because the air being drawn through the atty walls I think helps keep it even cooler than the prior versions really. plus the limited airflow is not going to let you run that single coil at super high crazy wattage's anyway. I find my big heavy dual coil atties heat up way more than this thing, it's a pretty cool running atty I think

 

[Train2]

I meant to answer too - I've gotten the atty warm, and noticed NO heat in the drip tip.
The way it's built I think is why - with a 2-layer cap, then a 2-peice AFC, THEN the tip - heat's just not getting transferred up to the tip. Even when the vapor is WARM (how I like it ).

from my experience with it so far I will say that the chalice was always good in this regard because of so little mass to retain heat, but the C3 really steps that up a notch or 2 because the air being drawn through the atty walls I think helps keep it even cooler than the prior versions really. plus the limited airflow is not going to let you run that single coil at super high crazy wattage's anyway. I find my big heavy dual coil atties heat up way more than this thing, it's a pretty cool running atty I think

 

[Filthy-Beast]

For sure - you must have pushed, what...like half a bottle up the tube?
Sorry that happened, but glad it wasn't me first.
LOL

Picked up the mod with a full bottle instead of the one with an almost empty bottle and did several absent minded back to back long squonks.

 

[AngiBe]

I've seen people use screws to build coils (and that build looks awesome, BTW) but....always wondered how the heck you get the screw out of the coil??? Unscrew it, literally? Also, if you build the coil on the atty still on the screw, isn't the area on the Chalice too small?

I use a Luer Needle and it seems to be just right to fit on small atties. The screw seems mammoth to me.

 

[want to quit]

I never did my coils with a screw either but I assume you are right. It's simply unscrewed of the threads of the screw itself.

So 3 vape survivor packages are near 2 arrived at my post office and are out for delivery but of course the Chalice arrived at my post office but it doesn't say out for delivery and still says delivery 12/4 -.-

I've seen people use screws to build coils (and that build looks awesome, BTW) but....always wondered how the heck you get the screw out of the coil??? Unscrew it, literally? Also, if you build the coil on the atty still on the screw, isn't the area on the Chalice too small?

I use a Luer Needle and it seems to be just right to fit on small atties. The screw seems mammoth to me.

 

[Robfisher]

Rookie error! When working with such a small deck and no holes in the posts for the coil legs remove the battery so that you don't run out of fingers and hands and press the fire button while installing a coil! ;-)

 

[Filthy-Beast]

Ouch, I've done that, now I turn the button to the lock position first.

 

[Robfisher]

I have to say that it is one awesome device and it does take some getting used to... have to learn not to squonk like normal other wise you will get gurgling... a very gentle slight press of the bottle is plenty!

Flavour of note! 1,5mm Micro Coil with Rayon... will try an ugly coil of 2mm tomorrow!

 

[Robfisher]

Ouch, I've done that, now I turn the button to the lock position first.

I will be doing that in the future! ;-)

 

[Papa_Lazarou]

Rookie error! When working with such a small deck and no holes in the posts for the coil legs remove the battery so that you don't run out of fingers and hands and press the fire button while installing a coil! ;-)

Yowsa. Been there, burnt that.

These days I tend to build on a ohm checker - good, solid platform and easy to check resistance/shorts throughout the process.