This is a rip off industry. I can't justify paying $100+ for something that I may not have any use for. This cheapo allows me to try it out, see if it's for me. If it is then I will more than likely upgrade to the craftsmanship of the original DID.
Cheap genesis style tank...interesting!
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This is a rip off industry. I can't justify paying $100+ for something that I may not have any use for. This cheapo allows me to try it out, see if it's for me. If it is then I will more than likely upgrade to the craftsmanship of the original DID.
Eh, just because it's a ripoff industry doesn't mean that one should succumb to the lowered moral standards of the crowd. I highly suggest skipping the ripoff and just going for the real thing. Not to mention that considering the device is <$20, you just KNOW that there are potential health risks that could arise as a result of highly inferior materials (the gaseous byproducts of lead and zinc for instance).
You are wrong.
The stainless iterations are already out.
Do your homeworks kido.
The stainless iterations are already out.
Do your homeworks kido.
Yes they are a rip off off the DID but they work awesome. My husband has a "real" DID and I can not tell the difference at all in performance. these are a great inexpensive way to try out a genesis. I got a few in a co-op and they work just as well as the higher price genesis. I highly recommend them.
I love the advice to "just get the original." It isn't that easy for some folks to just spend an extra $80 for the original. Haha.
I believe canvape has found them and will carry them very shortly...but I`ve seen them around other websites (even the center pin and hardware is stainless,seen pics)
Here is one that has both stainless and plated parts (discountvapers)...meaning the full stainless is there somewhere,just cant remember
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cool stuff. Just got me wondering on how much all SS "actually" costs. I'm guessing it can be sourced cheaper in China. These things are above a horses head.
That is exactly what I am doing with it. I don't think I will like rebuilding that atty, but who knows? Maybe I will be able to do it and maybe I will like it. If so, I have no problem buying quality. Sort of how I got the eGo Twist and then the ProVari.
The SS isn't expensive at all, even for 326 grade. What's expensive is machining higher grades of the raw material. For instance, the production expenses for a device made of 304 vs 303 grade can be double the cost b/c it just takes so much longer to mill. For the money, I highly doubt you're even getting 303, and I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if the materials they were using contained lead. Nobody will ever admit to it, but I'm sure it goes on.
And as for what HappyTimeHarry said, while it might not be easy to spend the extra $80, there's a certain level of satisfaction that comes from owning the real thing, that in my opinion, always outweighs the money you'd save. And honestly, the difference in price is equivalent to 2 weeks of smoking a pack a day, or 1 if you live in NY.
But despite all that, why support an industry that just rips off the hard work and intellectual property of others? Jim, the maker of the DID, is just such a good guy, and goes to such great lengths to please his customers (both current and prospective), that it just seem so wrong to take money out of the man's pocket. Anyways, thieves will be thieves, nothing I or anyone else can do about that, so it's just up to the community to decide whether or not to support them.
And as for what HappyTimeHarry said, while it might not be easy to spend the extra $80, there's a certain level of satisfaction that comes from owning the real thing, that in my opinion, always outweighs the money you'd save. And honestly, the difference in price is equivalent to 2 weeks of smoking a pack a day, or 1 if you live in NY.
But despite all that, why support an industry that just rips off the hard work and intellectual property of others? Jim, the maker of the DID, is just such a good guy, and goes to such great lengths to please his customers (both current and prospective), that it just seem so wrong to take money out of the man's pocket. Anyways, thieves will be thieves, nothing I or anyone else can do about that, so it's just up to the community to decide whether or not to support them.
If anything this will make me more likely to purchase a DID. If this works out for me then I will want something better, something more stylish even.
When I first started vaping I didn't shell out hundreds of dollars for a mod, and I'm certainly not going to do that now just because I want to try a different kind of rebuildable. These things work for some people, and for some people they don't.
On a side note, how much do you actually think the materials for a genuine DID cost? I'd be willing to bet that the materials are less than 20% of the retail price and that's not even considering wholesale prices.
I work with tons of b2b and b2c retailers and trust me, the profit margin is huge.
Of course the profit margin is huge,and of course they pamper their pool of buyers,milking the cow 101.
As far as the cost of the raw materials, the DID is made out of 304 ss, which is around $3k/ton, so sure, there's no question that the material cost makes up far less than 20% of the retail price. But between the machining costs, taxes (which are astronomical in Greece), man-power hours, and other various expenses (polishing, engraving, book-keeping, shipping, ect), for c. $100/unit, I'm sure the profit margins for the DID are miniscule compared to most other devices out there. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the profit margins on the Chinese knockoffs are greater (relatively speaking of course, not $ for $) than those of the genuine DID!
And Martin, only you could put a such a callous and obnoxious spin on a manufacturer catering to the needs of their customers, you're just too much. To top it off, I can't help but have a good hard chuckle at your signature when put in the context of some of your above comments. ROFLMAO--->"Its not the size of your battery that matters,its the quality of your atomizer **wink-wink**"
thank you for the informative post rwechlser
I'm not so sure I even accept the concept of intellectual property. In fact I don't.
But if I did, I would have a tough time condemning the "Chinese clones" on the one hand, and accepting the DID, Zen et al as legit, in the face of the fact that by the same logic everyone and anyone that profits off of a genisis design is actually violating the wishes of Raidy, and hence, a crook.
As far as I'm aware, the only non thief in this arena, by that logic of course, would be scubabatdan. And all those who DIY their own genisis atties.
I don't own a knock off, and don't intend to at all, but just saying. Unless of course you consider the Vmax a knock off, but that was a gift.
I'm not so sure I even accept the concept of intellectual property. In fact I don't.
But if I did, I would have a tough time condemning the "Chinese clones" on the one hand, and accepting the DID, Zen et al as legit, in the face of the fact that by the same logic everyone and anyone that profits off of a genisis design is actually violating the wishes of Raidy, and hence, a crook.
As far as I'm aware, the only non thief in this arena, by that logic of course, would be scubabatdan. And all those who DIY their own genisis atties.
I don't own a knock off, and don't intend to at all, but just saying. Unless of course you consider the Vmax a knock off, but that was a gift.
being that this industry is really still in its infancy, and such a large number of products come out of china, i don't get how people can get upset over "copycat" designs being sold at a lower quality and price point. were lower cost devices expected to use older tech/designs forever? i don't see how e-cigs/atomizers are different than other electronic devices, its to be expected that somebody will make a similar product for a lower cost. the health implications of using bad materials is the only real concern here. outside of that, i'm all for cheaper solutions for a similar experience.
Alright look, is this a copy of a DiD? yes of course it is. is the DiD made of better materials and have better quality? sure it does. Will people by this one instead of the authentic DiD because they wanna give this kind of rebuildable a try and don't wanna sped upwards of $150 and be able to get it shipped quickly? Absolutely.
This doesn't mean that the DiD is necessarily over priced but ya know....the market is catching on, more and more of these kinda things are coming out and that premier price point is going to eventually have some competition. This doesn't mean that Jim is a bad guy at all and it doesn't say that the DiD isn't worth it. If anything it is kinda a compliment that it was realized what a nice design it was and how popular it is that somebody else decided to find a way to get in on it.
Is it
that it's a pretty bold obvious rip-off... you bet. But there's nobody saying you can't be and build something "similar". There are legal ways of protecting a design, it's hard and expensive but it can be done. Doesn't mean somebody won't come out with something really close tho...
I too like buying the "original" and the best built stuff : I have a Provari, a G-Tank-US, Puresmoker Legacy and I have a bliSS. Now I don't see anybody getting on my case since I got the bliSS..........and why not?? I mean look at it....it's a bottom tank, vertical wick and coil, made of stainless steel......same as the DiD. Was the DiD or something like it what prompt the idea for the bliSS? Well yeah, probably but hmmm no-body really has a problem with that tho do they? Is it maybe because I paid $130 bucks for it? If it only cost $29.99 with not as good materials would it be called a mean ole copy-cat or just a decent well priced atomizer?
Sorry for rant, point is all these atomizers have their purpose. A cheap lil Phoenix copy got me started into rebuilding and I Bought the bliSS cause it is extremely well built and has options build ability that many don't. And you know what, I've ordered one of these mini DiD copies as well because it will be going on one of my mods that's gonna get beat up and rough-handled, possibly dropped or kicked and I would hate to see a nice, high quality piece like the true DiD mini get beat up and won't really feel to bad if this cheap one gets trashed.
Not trying to get anybody stirred up just throwing out some thoughts.....
and vape on!!!...
This doesn't mean that the DiD is necessarily over priced but ya know....the market is catching on, more and more of these kinda things are coming out and that premier price point is going to eventually have some competition. This doesn't mean that Jim is a bad guy at all and it doesn't say that the DiD isn't worth it. If anything it is kinda a compliment that it was realized what a nice design it was and how popular it is that somebody else decided to find a way to get in on it.
Is it
that it's a pretty bold obvious rip-off... you bet. But there's nobody saying you can't be and build something "similar". There are legal ways of protecting a design, it's hard and expensive but it can be done. Doesn't mean somebody won't come out with something really close tho...I too like buying the "original" and the best built stuff : I have a Provari, a G-Tank-US, Puresmoker Legacy and I have a bliSS. Now I don't see anybody getting on my case since I got the bliSS..........and why not?? I mean look at it....it's a bottom tank, vertical wick and coil, made of stainless steel......same as the DiD. Was the DiD or something like it what prompt the idea for the bliSS? Well yeah, probably but hmmm no-body really has a problem with that tho do they? Is it maybe because I paid $130 bucks for it? If it only cost $29.99 with not as good materials would it be called a mean ole copy-cat or just a decent well priced atomizer?
Sorry for rant, point is all these atomizers have their purpose. A cheap lil Phoenix copy got me started into rebuilding and I Bought the bliSS cause it is extremely well built and has options build ability that many don't. And you know what, I've ordered one of these mini DiD copies as well because it will be going on one of my mods that's gonna get beat up and rough-handled, possibly dropped or kicked and I would hate to see a nice, high quality piece like the true DiD mini get beat up and won't really feel to bad if this cheap one gets trashed.
Not trying to get anybody stirred up just throwing out some thoughts.....
and vape on!!!...
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Ordered one as well. I'm waiting on the Spartan co-op to go through, so while I wait why not use it as a training device as my first genesis? I have no problem paying for the good stuff, but you can use cheap mods like this to practice on!
oh boy !! here we go again with the chinese ripping off jim's original design and name ??
i have seen a few dids with the this phrase etched in it "to my friend"..now where have i seen that before ?? hmmm
not one single person has mentioned that ?? why ? i know but can't say it here coz i don't have those censored smileys
it will happen !! they didn't get a copyright so,the only thing that be done is complaining
i have seen a few dids with the this phrase etched in it "to my friend"..now where have i seen that before ?? hmmm
not one single person has mentioned that ?? why ? i know but can't say it here coz i don't have those censored smileys
it will happen !! they didn't get a copyright so,the only thing that be done is complaining
I don't understand why people are upset over this. Don't we want competition in the market? Competition helps drive prices down while at the same time encourages developers to come up with ways to tweak the current product to one-up their competition.
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