Cheap genesis style tank...interesting!

[6spdsurfer]

I don't understand why people are upset over this. Don't we want competition in the market? Competition helps drive prices down while at the same time encourages developers to come up with ways to tweak the current product to one-up their competition.

Exactly. One of the reasons Imeo keeps coming out with amazing products. Plus it does give a chance to some people who wouldn't normally have an opportunity to get these types of products. Or people who don't know if they'd like something and want to try before they jump all in. More than anything, I can't see people who would really love genesis tanks a lot to keep using these but rather go to the better builders after trying one. It's like getting mad at Blu for making garbage e-cigs. For the most part it's how a lot of us made it to something better...

 

[Striker911]

I have the original standard DID. Number 440 to be exact. Its been the best vape and is the only thing I use. Always wanted a mini since it came out. Could not ever swing it. But when I seen one for $12 then I feel like I would be stupid to pass up on it and in the end be without. Im not going to take from my kids or my home in general, just to make someones pocket fat. Its not my pocket so what should I care? What I should care about is getting something I like. I am the one paying money.

I will buy from Jim again in the next 6 months or so but thats not now. And I can swing $12 now. So I bought 1 of them. In the end we all know, its our money and we should do what we want with it. For some people that never have to worry about money they might see it another way. But when it comes down to having or not having, then I want to have one. Its actually $7 before shipping. A hard to do person like myself would be ......ed to turn down that deal.

 

[denali_41]

Every time i read about the chinese doing knock offs ,and then people complaining about it i just hav to ask myself

how many of these same people drive japanese,korean or other imports vehicles that have only been in productions for 50-60 years max

how many of them drive a ford ? ford has been around the longest !!

 

[6spdsurfer]

Every time i read about the chinese doing knock offs ,and then people complaining about it i just hav to ask myself

how many of these same people drive japanese,korean or other imports vehicles that have only been in productions for 50-60 years max

how many of them drive a ford ? ford has been around the longest !!

HAH! Too funny...

Too true.

 

[avanjaz]

unlike cars, the difference here is these products are something people use to inhale from, possibly a significant number of times a day. the vaping studies still need to be done to prove or disprove harm. i don't profess to have a background in this, but know there are risks when exposed to poor quality metals.

my main issue is that china has not had a stellar past in quality control. i don't have the numbers, but it seems to me an extraordinary number of chinese products have been recalled due to mistakes or outright negligence. could the huge volume of things they produce be the reason it looks this way? i'm not sure. i go back and fourth in my head about this. money ultimately talks, but at what cost?

if a chinese vendor could make an RBA atomizer tank and prove the metals they used were safe (with 3rd party documentation/testing) i think everyone would feel a lot better about things, myself included.

 

[martinc]

And Martin, only you could put a such a callous and obnoxious spin on a manufacturer catering to the needs of their customers, you're just too much. To top it off, I can't help but have a good hard chuckle at your signature when put in the context of some of your above comments. ROFLMAO--->"Its not the size of your battery that matters,its the quality of your atomizer **wink-wink**"

Facepalm for half of what you write yourself dude,lose the personal agenda,doesnt fit you at all.

And you seem to be mixing quality with price again dude.

 

[rwechsler]

Because I'm such a strong advocate of Jim and the DID, it's hard for me to take an objective stance on this topic, but I think you did about as eloquent a job as possible at voicing your concerns here, thank you for that. But on the same note as your post, I gotta throw it out there that we're talking about a nation of manufacturers who released thousands of bottles of toothpaste and children's toys that contained lead in them...

Anyone know if it's economically viable or even possible to have SS sent out and tested to determine its lead content? I've heard a few rumors of other high end mods out there supposedly contain lead, and I'd like to verify the validity of those claims (wont say what mods, for all I know it's untrue).

unlike cars, the difference here is these products are something people use to inhale from, possibly a significant number of times a day. the vaping studies still need to be done to prove or disprove harm. i don't profess to have a background in this, but know there are risks when exposed to poor quality metals.

my main issue is that china has not had a stellar past in quality control. i don't have the numbers, but it seems to me an extraordinary number of chinese products have been recalled due to mistakes or outright negligence. could the huge volume of things they produce be the reason it looks this way? i'm not sure. i go back and fourth in my head about this. money ultimately talks, but at what cost?

if a chinese vendor could make an RBA atomizer tank and prove the metals they used were safe (with 3rd party documentation/testing) i think everyone would feel a lot better about things, myself included.

Thanks for the laughs Martin, you're a true asset to the forum

 

[martinc]

Yeah,put in your book of knowledge the fact that some of your GENUINE GGs were made in China too....and so are your Odyseus ceramics...and Penelope ceramics...not afraid to use and advocate those are you

Try harder to belittle me,you are way out of your knowledge league kido!

 

[ricklynchcore]

I quit cigs because I knew the damage I was doing to my body. I don't use the knock-offs, at least in the atomizer chamber, because China lies about their base metals and impurities. No point leaving one habit that was killing me, for another doing the same thing without my knowledge. So, I am not some ethical preacher, or trying to take moral high ground, rather I am spending up for quality control from a vendor willing to share his production standards with me. The juice and the atomizer chamber are the most important part, (from a health concern), so I use the real DiD, SS mesh (no more silica), and Virgin Vapor Juice, Because of their willingness to disclose their production methods and contents.






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[ProRo]

This is imo the original manufacturer:
Mini DID Genesis atomizer - HOT Sale e-cigarettes - Product Catalog - Shenzhen RainbowHeaven Technology Co., Ltd--electronic cigarette, e-cigarette, electronic cigarette suppliers
$7,95 piece of Chinese junk which is sold for $40,00
I went for the quality, craftsmanship, customer service and love for his product / customers of the original (mini) DiD

 

[silversx]

it's too bad for Jim.. who is a really great guy.. the original DID maker..

but we all know that china can make everything cheaper and 99% the same and its bound to happen to all products when there is a demand but pricing or supply keeps it out of the reach of people..

we can talk about inferior quality all day long.. but i'm sitting here and in front of me is my $4000+ Omega planet ocean watch.. next to it.. i have a $400 exact replica from china with a swiss ETA movement inside that i wear as a beater.. it's so 99% accurate to my genuine that it's scary..

i really don't think replicating a pile of ss parts with some nuts is going to be a problem.. many people want to try genesis style but don't want to fork out 150 bucks and wait 3 weeks.. i say more power to them.. time to send a zenesis to china for evaluation

i have the real mini DID from jim and i'm still going to order two more of these so i can have more juice flavors ready..

 

[asha23]

I have an original DID Mini with a clear tank. I love it. I'm happy I bought it.

I also have this Chinese Knockoff, I love it, I'm happy I bought it.

I think it is outrageous that the Chinese are marketing this as a DID. That name comes from Jim's initials. It's completely wrong.

Having said this, it was only a matter of time before the Chinese started manufacturing Genesis atomisers. Now they have, in a way it's not really worth carping about. I think if people want to try Genesis, then why shouldn't they be able to get a cheaper version? Not everyone can afford $100 on an atomiser.

As I said in another thread. Once people are sold on Genesis atomisers (And more now will be than ever before), it can only mean more trade for those who create boutique versions as people want to explore the Genesis world further... It's win-win in my opinion. In the short-term this might cause a slight dropoff in business for boutique atomiser manufacturers, but I really doubt it will.. People still want Cobras, Zens, Etc... There will now be more demand, not less. The people on the waiting lists for these things are not going to all of a sudden stop wanting them.

I believe these cheaper versions cater for a very different market sector to the people who buy boutique atties and mods. Just a thought. Just as Seiko cater for a different market sector to Rolex. My only issue is that the Chinese manufacturers are calling it a DID. This is just outrageous.

Both products work well. Both are Genesis atomisers. Sure, the original is better. It's the original. (On the Chinese version the airhole doesn't align with the wick and you have to move the top cap on the threads to make this work)... Plus it may be made from inferior metals, whatever difference this actually makes really. But for a Genesis I can shove in my pocket and bash about and use as a beater, it's ideal. It means I can keep my original DID in perfect condition. That's win-win for me.

 

[asha23]

Because I'm such a strong advocate of Jim and the DID, it's hard for me to take an objective stance on this topic, but I think you did about as eloquent a job as possible at voicing your concerns here, thank you for that. But on the same note as your post, I gotta throw it out there that we're talking about a nation of manufacturers who released thousands of bottles of toothpaste and children's toys that contained lead in them...

Anyone know if it's economically viable or even possible to have SS sent out and tested to determine its lead content? I've heard a few rumors of other high end mods out there supposedly contain lead, and I'd like to verify the validity of those claims (wont say what mods, for all I know it's untrue).




Thanks for the laughs Martin, you're a true asset to the forum

I think unless you are using 100% medical grade stainless steel, there will always be a grey area with metals used. We have all been vaping on cartomisers, atomisers, etc which are all made using dubious, non-tested metals. It's all part of the risk we take with vaping. To single out individual products such as these cheaper Chinese rebuildables and to say they may not use safe metals is to ignore everything else people vape on. It could be seen as scaremongering. People have been vaping on Chinese products for years now. For example. Boge cartomisers. Do we know the metals used in these? Does anyone really care???

We just don't know what we use is made from. Including top-end stainless steel mods. For example, some stainless steel contains traces of arsenic and could actually be worse for you than using cheaper metals.

In fact. Nobody actually knows the risks of vaping oxidised stainless steel wick over prolonged periods. That's the real question that needs answering. Not what metal your tank is made from, which in comparison to this is just negligible, I wouldn't mind betting.

I'd say it's all a case of doing everything AT YOUR OWN RISK. If you think the risk is justified, then go ahead, buy the product. If you don't. Don't. It's a matter of personal choice. Mitigating risk as much as you can and keeping yourself informed I guess.

All I know is that it's all WAY safer than smoking cigarettes. I bet a trace of this or that in my juice is WAY less than the traces of this or that in cigarettes. Put in that context it's just a moot argument really.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

Agree totally about the metals

FWIW the unknowns are one of the reasons I wanted, and use daily, my zen atty pro.

But perhaps even surgical grade stainless steel is not without it's problems, only time and research will tell

Again it's all about the risk the individual is willing to take, and that's how it should be IMO

 

[Cyrus Vap]

Oh yeah, and Raidy FTW

 

[asha23]

I'd say anything with a clear tank (IE The Zen, my clear tank DID) is going to be okay really.

Having said that. Stainless steel mesh... Is that safe to vape on? Nobody knows.

 

[Nurzrachit]

My only issue is that the Chinese manufacturers are calling it a DID. This is just outrageous.
.

maybe we should nickname it the DUD. They copy everything else even with copyrights. This is a good thing though, and I will echo the sentiment of previous posters. This will create some breathing room to maybe obtain some of the unobtainables. I can't wait to see what comes next. The wheels are turning, and creators will create. This is only just beginning to get good.

 

[Escapereality]

I'd say anything with a clear tank (IE The Zen, my clear tank DID) is going to be okay really.

Having said that. Stainless steel mesh... Is that safe to vape on? Nobody knows.

I kind of think you hit the nail on the head here, in a sense. Vaping and e-cigarettes at their core are about harm reduction. The vast majority of us are here because at one point we were smoking analogs, which I think anyone will agree that they are far more deadly. I think it's safe to say that several months after we kick the analogs, we feel better. I don't have a smokers cough anymore, my chest doesn't hurt. I can smell, I can taste. I am back at running without feeling like I'm going to pass out before the doorstep is even out of view. You know what I've been vaping on? Boge cartos and all of their Chinese goodness at about $1 a pop retail.

We really don't know if any of this stuff is safe to be inhaling into our lungs. One thing we do know is that is sure beats the hell out of inhaling cigarettes.

 

[harmudge]

Eh, just because it's a ripoff industry doesn't mean that one should succumb to the lowered moral standards of the crowd. I highly suggest skipping the ripoff and just going for the real thing. Not to mention that considering the device is <$20, you just KNOW that there are potential health risks that could arise as a result of highly inferior materials (the gaseous byproducts of lead and zinc for instance).

Too true Rick...maybe these folks don't care for their health, may as well spark up an analogue if going down this route.

 

[harmudge]

As far as the cost of the raw materials, the DID is made out of 304 ss, which is around $3k/ton, so sure, there's no question that the material cost makes up far less than 20% of the retail price. But between the machining costs, taxes (which are astronomical in Greece), man-power hours, and other various expenses (polishing, engraving, book-keeping, shipping, ect), for c. $100/unit, I'm sure the profit margins for the DID are miniscule compared to most other devices out there. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the profit margins on the Chinese knockoffs are greater (relatively speaking of course, not $ for $) than those of the genuine DID!

And Martin, only you could put a such a callous and obnoxious spin on a manufacturer catering to the needs of their customers, you're just too much. To top it off, I can't help but have a good hard chuckle at your signature when put in the context of some of your above comments. ROFLMAO--->"Its not the size of your battery that matters,its the quality of your atomizer **wink-wink**"

We also have the human rights issue to get on with here....you can by from Jim in Greece and be fairly certain that if he employs any staff that they are treated and paid fairly and that he is following health and safety guidelines etc...or you can by from knock-off central (China) where there is no such protection for employees...heck, their probably using 10 & 11yr old's in their factory's and subjecting these kids to god knows what kinds of pollution along with not paying them much more than a bowl of rice.