It seems I've read somewhere that you can add a drop or two (per carto) of alcohol (like Everclear or vodka) to increase throat hit/harshness. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Interesting. I just dug out the cappuccino, too, and I taste the coffee flavor, though it's not real strong. I think the basic smoke flavor is stronger. Also, the nic level is higher on this one, so I can't really judge throat hit vs. the 555 and RY4, but it's stronger. Still, not what I'd call "throat fire" at 12 mg.
When I use RY4 (it is the only tobacco flavor I actually like, I'm more into fruity flavors) I taste a caramel tobacco, with maybe a hint of vanilla. I think it's great, and its definitely one of our more popular flavors! but like others have said, it's all up to what you're into!![]()
Ya, I had the cappuccino in 12 mg. too. I am not a vaper who cares about throat hit. As a matter of fact, when I was smoking cigarettes I was always searching for the one that would be the smoothest and least irritating to my throat. I usually smoked an ultra-light cig. I seem to be very sensitive to the throat hit and I don't like it. The cappuccino cartos actually made me cough, and felt like real smoke in my throat. Since my first order I have gone down to 6 mg. for all of my juice, and I like that better.
If you were smoking ultra lights before, 6mg is the recommended dose for you! Glad to hear that you are enjoying it!![]()
I like 6 mg best, too. Throat hit for me is uncomfortable when I just cough after a puff. I can do some flavors with mg in the low teens, but that's as high as I want to go. Having sampled lots of flavors now, I notice some have a stronger throat hit at a lower mg than others do. Interesting how the flavor would affect this as well as the nic level.
TK, this should be a no-brainer for you: 555. Squirrels like nuts, right?Not to change the subject or anything, but...
I'm trying to decide between getting a bottle of RY4 and 555. Which one is more harsh?
I've started making my own juices now and I've made some smooth stuff. I need something harsher to balance things out.
Desert Joe is okay, but I'd like something else. Can't stand Cowboy, so that's out too.
On my original order, I got the Sample Pack, but I was just vaping them like mad and I don't remember what the heck they tasted like.
Any thoughts about 555 vs RY4?


OK, I dug out my cartos to vape them and give you a comparison. This is just my opinion. Neither are what I'd call harsh.
555 tastes like a pretty straightforward tobacco taste, maybe with a faint hint of caramel. No, not caramel, something else. It's hard to identify, but it's not just like a cigarette. It has more flavor than just tobacco. As I continue to vape it, sometimes I think it's almost a citrus flavor. See what I mean? It's hard to figure out what else is in there besides tobacco flavor.
RY4 has less of the tobacco taste, more of the "something else." And I doubt that other set of flavors are the same ones they use for 555. Less of the citrus subtle taste, more of the caramel.
In conclusion, if you want a straight tobacco flavor, 555 is more like that, and RY4 has more other flavors, though still a tobacco base.
I'm not quite sure what you mean by harsh. Do you mean tobacco flavor? Do you mean a strong taste? Something that makes you cough? What?
TK - If I'm reading this correctly, it sounds like you're looking for more of a throat hit. Right? If so, you could up your nic content in a flavor that you already like.
Or ---- You could try adding Bitter Wizard to a nicquid, which would remove the sweetness factor:
http://www.ecigexpress.com/flavoring-flavourart-condensed-c-16_29/bitter-wizard-by-flavourart-select-size-p-631
Or - You could DIY a batch of Perique Black Flavor. Advertised as "one of the harshest tobacco flavors available. Hints of pepper and salsa."
http://www.ecigexpress.com/flavoring-flavourart-condensed-c-16_29/perique-black-tobacco-select-size-p-309
TK, this is should be a no-brainer for you: 555. Squirrels like nuts, right?
I don't do tobacco flavors, but here's what I've heard:
RY4 is caramelly
555 is nutty
I say go for the flavor you like and add something to it to make it more harsh, like Rave said...![]()
Wow, that was so well-written. And I'm so glad they're taking this stance. I know that type of behavior ruins my fun in this forum. It's an annoying waste of time/space and there's never any need for it. Thanks for sharing, Star!
Yeah, don't let it go to your head!Well, it does sorta imply that I have a brain, so...thanks!

Yeah, don't let it go to your head!![]()