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Tail11

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You have a point, and I'm sure finances are entering into it. They will probably tax e-cigs and all the accoutrements. Many things I order online are taxed. It used to be that if you ordered something from out of state, you didn't pay sales tax, but they saw they were losing revenue, so I think now we pay more taxes on stuff ordered online.

California started the online taxes for major retailers. I like to shop amazon a lot, and they are now charging me state tax. I'm not complaining much, but it was a nice extra when you have to pay for shipping.
 

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Okay, state sales tax for online purchaces sucks. I think really hard about on-line purchases now that I have to pay sales tax and shipping has gone up to outrageous. Cabelas hasn't gotten but one or two orders from me since they built that store in our state and now I have to pay sales tax.

vaping and the FDA. I think the FDA wants to look tough and that doesn't look good for vapors and their supplies but I hope I am wrong. I saw where V2 Cigs is asking people to comment on the FDA website in their advertising emails to me. I sure hope the FDA will listen.

Photos - loving it!! Thanks SandySu and Butch.

DIY -kind of fun once you start doing it but my juices don't actually taste the same as SI juices. I still like mine a lot. Congrats on your successes, White Rabbit.

Deb - I hope it is cooling off a little for you in Oz.

Hope everyone is having a nice evening. I finally got home, put away the groceries and the cleaning supplies, fed and watered all the animals, got the fire started in the stove and a cup of coffee made. Now I can relax until it is time to make dinner:)
 

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You could then say that we shouldn't cure diseases or put premature infants in incubators and things like that. After all, weren't those people meant to die if they had been in the wild without medical care? Our society is based on taking care of people, and this is why there are laws enacted for people's good. Right or wrong, this is the world we live in, with all its advantages and disadvantages.

if by WE you mean the general public - absolutely *cure.. *take care of ,yada yada.. if by WE you mean the govt.. no flippin way should they be involved
society does not = the government

*ok .. off soap box too* sorry for that delay.. it was critter hour here.


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OK, here's one for the DIY crowd, and I am a DIYer - just lazy I guess...What evidence is there that steeping a liquid is necessary for proper flavor? Is there any scientific evidence that steeping accomplishes anything at the chemical level? I understand that the ingredients need to be blended as with any mixture, but there is no bacterial or chemical activity that I can imagine going on in a liquid used for vaping. I know there may be answers out there somewhere, but I'm too lazy to look I guess.

From a subjective standpoint I have steeped liquids and did notice a flavor change. In that case I left the container vented to the ambient air in the room so some of the volatiles could escape which is an expected result called evaporation of liquids. Steeping in a sealed contained wouldn't allow that and hence my head scratching on this one.

I do browse the DIY threads but I'm asking here in Chit Chat because I trust the opinions and knowledge of everyone here.
 
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There are specific threads on the forum surrounding the proposed legislation in the US, however Personal Vaporizors have been around for years, and I personally have researched making your own from videos on You Tube from readily available Radio Shack parts. It is not hard at all except, "the voltage is not regulated like the X2 and others". You can also purchase the electronic boards to regulate the voltage to 3.7 volts, or when your 78 or X2, X3 dies, you can extract the board from the device and reuse it.

Personal vaporizers are used for other medical inhalation products and I doubt they would be banned, but maybe they could require an Rx from your Dr. who knows? You can purchase many many types of personal vaporizers now on the Internet which are not sold by e-cigarette companies, so I am optimistic that the actual mechanical products will be available.

On another note, even if they ban imports of products from China, they will be shipped as something else like flashlights, batteries, or toys etc. Black markets will evolve just like they did in prohibition and mom and pop e-juice factories will be found everywhere, although not selling in the open. You just can't keep a good vaper down. :laugh:

Might have to change my name to Pirate Wabbit
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Yeah devices would just be relabeled as personal vaporizers. There is language in there about maybe not allowing devices after 2007. And in other news the EU wants to ban nic above 4mg.
 

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& one more just so you don't think all of mine are B&W
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Here is a house finch pair.

Amazing! Birds are so hard to catch. They hardly stay in one spot long enough to focus. Again, a subject I haven't been too successful with.
 

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Sandy Su, you may be right, but my real fear here is who is going to protect us from an interfering nanny state that does not think we are capable of making decisions for ourselve. Just take a look at mayor Bloomberg & you will see a face on what I'm talking about. No soda pop , no trans fat, no popcorn, What is next?

In my state was have a town that banned the sale of single sized bottles of water.
 

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I think quality standards are fine, if that would be the only thing the FDA regulates. I think the FDA realizes the loss of revenue of all the exsmokers turned vapers. There is little to no sales tax going in because of online sales, and then the state mandated tax per pack that are lost. To top that off, vapers are healing and may not go into smoking related health issues, so big pharma is losing money too.

I don't have any faith in the FDA trying to make vaping safe. It's all about the uncontrolled revenue stream they see and which pocketbook it goes into.

They soaked the smokers, and now they are trying to violate the vapers!

That's my :2c: . Getting off my FDA hate soapbox now.

The FDA is the same group that deems all of our Ned's are safe, yet it seems like every week there's some sort of recall. Or even better listen to all the side effects listed in a pharmaceutical commercial.
 

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OK, here's one for the DIY crowd, and I am a DIYer - just lazy I guess...What evidence is there that steeping a liquid is necessary for proper flavor? Is there any scientific evidence that steeping accomplishes anything at the chemical level? I understand that the ingredients need to be blended as with any mixture, but there is no bacterial or chemical activity that I can imagine going on in a liquid used for vaping. I know there may be answers out there somewhere, but I'm too lazy to look I guess.

From a subjective standpoint I have steeped liquids and did notice a flavor change. In that case I left the container vented to the ambient air in the room so some of the volatiles could escape which is an expected result called evaporation of liquids. Steeping in a sealed contained wouldn't allow that and hence my head scratching on this one.

I do browse the DIY threads but I'm asking here in Chit Chat because I trust the opinions and knowledge of everyone here.

Look at the thread/s in the DIY section on using an ultrasonic cleaner. In my limited DIY experience, aka I'm a noob , I just think flavors are melding together. In the ultrasonic cleaner thread people are getting the same flavor profiles that were taking days/weeks to get. I look at it like making an awesome stew and that stew tasting even better the next day because the flavors had time to meld together.
 

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By melding I guess you mean blending more thoroughly. If that's the case agitation can easily replace steeping and take a lot less time. If the melding involves some kind of molecular bonding between molecules of the flavors I would think that would occur pretty quickly, as in minutes rather than days/weeks.

The problem with the search tool here is it returns thousands of thread with the word steeping, not matter what the reference was.
 

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By melding I guess you mean blending more thoroughly. If that's the case agitation can easily replace steeping and take a lot less time. If the melding involves some kind of molecular bonding between molecules of the flavors I would think that would occur pretty quickly, as in minutes rather than days/weeks.

The problem with the search tool here is it returns thousands of thread with the word steeping, not matter what the reference was.

Yeah went through the steeping search pain as well. Yup blending is what I meant. Though over in the DIY section everyone has an opinion.
 

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Oh my gosh!!! I have to get one!!!

But I'm gonna wait to see if I get my current order. My order last month showed it was out for delivery, but didn't get here. It was either lost or delivered to the wrong address. The order that's in transit now went to Cleveland! That's all the way to the north in Ohio and I live in the SW corner. Online tracking shows it left Cleveland yesterday but has no further information yet. Surely this one will get to me. The post office couldn't lose two orders in a row...... could they?

You never got your first order? Oh my.. that's a shame. Did you fill a claim against the post office since you have a tracking number? That's something always at the back of my mind... waiting for vape mail.
 

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Everyone does have an opinion on steeping but I am looking for supportable facts, just my nature. I used to mix automotive paints for touch-up, as in spray a half a car bumper and make it un-noticeable that it was painted. Some of the mixes used upwards of ten different tints. All I ever had to do was make sure it was well mixed, shaken thoroughly, not stirred (sorry 007). I know flavors aren't paints, but the same basic principals apply. The biggest problem is that taste is so subjective that if someone is convinced that steeping does change a flavor, it will for them.
 

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I am not a DIY'er but when I went to Tasty Vapor, they told me to let the juices steep. I can say there is a huge color difference in them. I didn't try them out of the bottle and let them steep for over a week before vaping. I'm sure there is some sort of chemical reaction going on that certainly affects the coloring, so I'd imagine it probably does for the taste too.
 

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By melding I guess you mean blending more thoroughly. If that's the case agitation can easily replace steeping and take a lot less time. If the melding involves some kind of molecular bonding between molecules of the flavors I would think that would occur pretty quickly, as in minutes rather than days/weeks.

The problem with the search tool here is it returns thousands of thread with the word steeping, not matter what the reference was.

So what's the chemical reaction that makes stew taste better the next day? I have some liquids I haven't used in a long time, I haven't opened the bottle since when I first got them, and the liquid definitely looks darker. Why is that? Maybe evaporation, even though the bottle has been closed?
 
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