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[cindycated]

I'd hate to be tested for mental health and be found wanting. I'm not going to shoot anyone, but I'm certainly wacky enough to scare some people. I'd be afraid of tests that could discriminate against anyone who wasn't "normal," whatever they decided normal is. I'm probably not. Then again, most creative people, geniuses, inventors, authors, etc., are probably a little off the beaten track, too. What would happen to society if everyone was afraid to exhibit any weirdness? Would this make it a better world, even if it was safer?

Yeah, but think of all the innocent people that would be alive today if an offender was treated early for, say, a bipolar disorder that they never knew they had. This type of violence doesn't just happen in the news. There are a lot of sick people out there that don't even know they're sick, and a lot of tragedies because of it that may have been prevented. Just sayin'.

 

[JoAnnW]

I agree, but the facts, early on weren't clear, so news people, being who they are, have to report what they found out, and later the facts changed. If they waited till all the facts were in, then people would have gone to different news sites with more info. News reporting, right or wrong, is about getting the scoop. And you can't make laws saying people can't report the facts as they know them ASAP. That would limit freedom of speech and be unconstitutional. So that's the way it is.

The media can certainly be obnoxious, but the public rewards this by wanting to hear all the details ASAP.

Think of it this way. I'm into horses, so I'll use an example from them. In horse nutrition, you don't have to supplement vitamin C or iron, as you do for humans. Horses make their own vitamin C unless they are supplemented, in which case, with an overload, their mechanism for making vitamin C shuts down. So, in most cases, it's actually not good to give a horse extra vitamin C. Same with iron. Horses have plenty unless thy have very rare cases of iron deficiencies, such as excessive bleeding or a rare disease. So giving iron, which gets stored, can make a horse have an excess of iron. That can be harmful to a horse. Most people don't know this, because they don't study horse nutrition in depth. So if they see a supplement that leaves these out and another one that includes them, they are likely to think a supplement with vitamin C and iron is better. Should we forbid horse supplement manufacturers to add vitamin C and iron? There is so little regulation of supplements that it would be impossible.

People have to exercise their own will and knowledge and not look at the news if they don't want to, or choose supplements without harmful or useless things in them. We need to take some responsibility for what we allow into our lives, no matter what is out there. We all have the choice, and getting upset that others are not making the choice for us is unreasonable.

You may have misunderstood what I was trying to say. For example, one report I heard was his mother was a teacher and was killed in the classroom along with her students. Later it was reported that she was killed at home. The next day there was an interview with the school superintendent and she said that his mother was not a teacher at any of their schools. I feel that the media should try to confirmation the facts before giving it to the public. Also, interviewing children right after what they experienced seemed insensitive to me.

 

[abracadebra]

all I can say...is my son was a happy boy...yes no doult there were mental issues ahead for him..........and when it all comes down to it...you have to live it to know it... I just know in my heart...that this violence in games and certain music today....did not help him in any way.in my eyes its not good for the mind or soul....for anyone

 

[SandySu]

Yeah, but think of all the innocent people that would be alive today if an offender was treated early for, say, a bipolar disorder that they never knew they had. This type of violence doesn't just happen in the news. There are a lot of sick people out there that don't even know they're sick, and a lot of tragedies because of it that may have been prevented. Just sayin'.

OK, so everyone is tested for mental stability. Sounds like Brave New World or some sort of doomsday sci-fi to me. But if it was even possible, what do we do about those people? Can we afford it? Back in the '70s or '80s, I think, maybe even longer ago than that, to save money, state mental institutions started putting anyone out on the streets that they possibly could. Maybe if they reversed that, it might help, but they did it to save money, I think, and also because they believed certain drugs would stabilize people -- if they took them, which they often didn't -- so do we have a right to lock up anyone who seems a little odd, even if they might wind up leading a normal life? And could perfectly sane people get locked up just because they disagreed with government policies or some such scenario? It sounds even scarier on a larger scale than the occasional shoot-up.

 

[JudeaB]

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I feel that the media should try to confirmation the facts before giving it to the public. Also, interviewing children right after what they experienced seemed insensitive to me.

We have the same issues over here in Aus. The Media appears to be very loose with information it publishes as facts and secondly, the practice of i.v. people especially children, caught up in disasters is seriously ethically, questionable.
I believe they, the media, should spend less time with sensational interviews, and more time verifying information they publish.
Cheers from Aus, and I can only imagine how terrible events such as this must be for your communities, Jude

 

[JoAnnW]

all I can say...is my son was a happy boy...yes no doult there were mental issues ahead for him..........and when it all comes down to it...you have to live it to know it... I just know in my heart...that this violence in games and certain music today....did not help him in any way.in my eyes its not good for the mind or soul....for anyone

Debra, It must be very painful to watch your child suffer with a mental illness whatever the cause. I sincerely hope and pray that you will find peace and comfort in your life. You are a dear friend.

 

[cindycated]

How would you test for mental illness? We have screening tools for depression but a clinically depressed person that doesn't want help can lie and pass them.

I fell asleep in Behavioral Psych class (too early ), but isn't there a dormant gene or two in there somewhere that gets triggered by stress? Or how about checking for wacky/abnormal levels of dopamine/serotonin or something like that?

What worries me is that there are a lot of people out there that go undiagnosed (especially with bipolar disorder or schitzophrenia) until it's too late. If they knew they were sick, there are a few that would reject treatment, but maybe there would be more that would welcome it. Knowing's the first step to treatment, right?

And not ALL mental disorders lead to violence. But it would be nice to catch a few that are before something really bad happens.

 

[Renolizzie]

after my husband took my 2 youngest children..my oldest son...fell into deep grief..he turned to violent video games to numb his pain...then came black metal music...I tried to show him that this was not good for him...these satanic lyrics were no good for his mind and soul..but being a teenager how do you stop them...if they want this in there lives ,they will get it else where.at the age of 18 he became schizophrenic...I could talk forever and a day on the heartache and grief that followed....my doctor told me if I wanted to live I had to walk away...my son was totally mad..... I tried for years to help him.......he tried to kill me one night..and that was the last I saw of him...I believe in some young minds playing these video games that allow our children to soak up death killing..satanic lyrics in music plants a seed in...weak minds...who are sad or lonely...who don't know how to reach out for help..i believe they become like puppets on strings.while these games and satanic music is the norm we will continue to see this horror of yesterdays

I'm sorry, Deb. Schizophrenia is a physical illness, a chemical imbalance in the brain. There was only so much you could do to help your son. There are some better drugs available now but it still isn't an easy disease to deal with. It is unknown whether video games or movies or music would be in anyway responsible for the type of delusions your son had. Sometimes, families have to let go of their children who are violently delusional for their own safety.

I wish you were right here next to me so I could give you a big hug.

Life doesn't always have easy answers.

I fear that a mental health system that doesn't concentrate on truly difficult and life damaging mental cases and helps label people who are simply dealing with life in their own way would be a system that interferes with far too many of us. In fact, I think that is happening to our children now. Sure, kids can have a hard time concentrating in school or sitting through classes but we, our society, has turned that into these kids being bad and somehow thinking this can be fixed through giving them drugs. Pretty soon there won't be any children in school that aren't getting prescribed medication.

The people who truly need help have a hard time finding it. How would you like to be the doctor treating someone who isn't in touch with reality and could turn violent? And, most people who are mentally ill aren't going to kill someone. Some people should be locked up for their own good and the good of society but we don't seem to have the ability to do that. I saw a cop show once where two brothers were sniffing paint and were clearly brain damaged and continuing to sniff paint. Geez, I thought, those two need to be locked up for their own good. The cop cut them loose and their tragic abuse of themselves continued.

 

[abracadebra]

Debra, It must be very painful to watch your child suffer with a mental illness whatever the cause. I sincerely hope and pray that you will find peace and comfort in your life. You are a dear friend.

oh sweet joann...ok.......theres no rhymes or reasons when im dealing with mental illnessso when I cant take the pressure of it all....I turn into a crazy LAUGHING IS MY ONLY MEDICINE.......yeah I know I talk

 

[abracadebra]

wheres that nut case squirrel..................when you need him....................aww!!!

 

[abracadebra]

sorry renolizzie I didn't see you up there.................you are all such the sweety ladys.....a nutcase could have thanks

 

[Konstantine]

Good morning all!
I slept for 12 hours..

 

[CatLady007]

TURN OFF THE NEWS.......

Morgan Freeman's brilliant take on what happened yesterday :

"You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.

It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed
people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.

CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.

You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news."

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Thank you so much Raynes; I didn't know quite how to bring that up without sounding preachy. The means available to families to take care of members with mental health issues are so very limited. Has anyone noticed that the disturbed individuals that commit these atrocities come from middle to low-income families, where meaningful, or long-term, mental health care is almost non-existent? Our society decided that "main-streaming" these individuals-hah-was the progressive thing to do. What it has translated to is that there is little to no treatment, and no oversight, other than what can be provided by an already overworked family. That's if the family cares. I witnessed one family where the mother literally moved out of the country and left the younger sister to deal with her bi-polar brother. She's a smart and motivated young woman, but her options are limited, and her brother is scary when he's off his meds. I wonder if this health care issue will ever be dealt with; but you know, it'll never even be discussed as long as people can be distracted by the "gun control" dialogue.

 

[White Rabbit]

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[abracadebra]

aww thanks doctor wabbit......there so pretty..... sorry doc only got.....what will that get me

 

[SandySu]

I fell asleep in Behavioral Psych class (too early ), but isn't there a dormant gene or two in there somewhere that gets triggered by stress? Or how about checking for wacky/abnormal levels of dopamine/serotonin or something like that?

What worries me is that there are a lot of people out there that go undiagnosed (especially with bipolar disorder or schitzophrenia) until it's too late. If they knew they were sick, there are a few that would reject treatment, but maybe there would be more that would welcome it. Knowing's the first step to treatment, right?

And not ALL mental disorders lead to violence. But it would be nice to catch a few that are before something really bad happens.

I'm not sure if most people diagnosed with a mental disorder would get help. There are so many who are diagnosed, given medication, and then stop taking their medication. I think part of the problem is that psychiatry is an imperfect science, medication has side effects that are often unpleasant, people feel better and think they no longer need to take the medication, and some think they are perfectly OK and the evil world is out to get them and drug them (paranoia). Maybe if the diagnosed people had to take their medication and had to go in for periodic blood tests to ensure that they did, it would work, but even so, it sounds very controlling, and there would always be some people who would slip through the cracks.

 

[SandySu]

oh sweet joann...ok.......theres no rhymes or reasons when im dealing with mental illnessso when I cant take the pressure of it all....I turn into a crazy LAUGHING IS MY ONLY MEDICINE.......yeah I know I talk

When life gets tough, it's hard. Having a sense of humor certainly is a good, healthy way to deal with the stress. You go, girl! Stay strong, and try not to feel too responsible for things like your son's mental illness. There was probably little you could have done about it that you didn't try to do. It's a disease as surely as diabetes, as I said before. There's more stigma attached to mental illness, which makes it harder, but if you think of it as a disease, not some parenting mistake, you may find a little comfort.

 

[SandySu]

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Thank you so much Raynes; I didn't know quite how to bring that up without sounding preachy. The means available to families to take care of members with mental health issues are so very limited. Has anyone noticed that the disturbed individuals that commit these atrocities come from middle to low-income families, where meaningful, or long-term, mental health care is almost non-existent? Our society decided that "main-streaming" these individuals-hah-was the progressive thing to do. What it has translated to is that there is little to no treatment, and no oversight, other than what can be provided by an already overworked family. That's if the family cares. I witnessed one family where the mother literally moved out of the country and left the younger sister to deal with her bi-polar brother. She's a smart and motivated young woman, but her options are limited, and her brother is scary when he's off his meds. I wonder if this health care issue will ever be dealt with; but you know, it'll never even be discussed as long as people can be distracted by the "gun control" dialogue.

Gun control is so much simpler to legislate. It gives the appearance that the powers that be are doing something, yet it isn't really addressing the issue. If a criminal wants a gun, even if it's illegal, he can probably get one. Maybe it'll be harder to get one, but guns would still be available. Addressing mental health issues is a lot more complicated, and there don't seem to be any easy answers. So it's easier to outlaw guns than to figure out how people with mental problems can be helped and controlled without limiting anyone's rights.

 

[White Rabbit]

aww thanks doctor wabbit......there so pretty..... sorry doc only got.....what will that get me

Is Good ! Just trying to lighten things up a little

Bye for awhile, heading to church!

 

[Renolizzie]

Hubby brewed us a nice expresso coffee. Yes, expresso can be brewed like regular coffee and it is delicious.

Thanks White Rabbit. We need a few laughs around here.

I sure hope the Xmas presents I ordered on Friday get here by Xmas or I'm going to be telling mom and dad "Sorry, I'll be bringing your gift down to your house next week!"

I guess the cat has learned to be quiet when he manages to get the doggie door to open and comes in. He used to say "Meow, meow!" like "I'm lonely. Anyone here?" Yesterday, I walked into the kitchen and saw a furry gray thing on the counter by the door, relaxing and silent. It was the cat!!! Out you go kitty, kitty.

Never got above 37 degrees yesterday. Brrrr. Hubby wanted to return the borrowed wood splitter since he bought one of his own. Then we had to get gas so ... now we are almost into town. Gee, Honey Bunny, how's you like to get some war wonton soup since we are almost to Dayton? Oh yeah, we got our delicious soup and Fried Noodles with Shrimp [Hong Kong style]. Never had that before. Wonderful dish and that Chinese place has really tastey sauces for their dishes.