Chit Chattin away!

Status
Not open for further replies.

ClayK

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Apr 3, 2011
941
593
VA
morning PIF so this on my friends fb wall and liked it Don't like gay marriages? Don't get one.. Don't like cigarettes? Don't smoke them.vape. Don't like abortions? Don't get one.. Don't like sex? Don't have it.. Don't like drugs? Don't do them.. Don't like porn? Don't watch it.. Don't like alcohol? Don't drink it.. Don't like guns? Don't buy one.. Don't like your rights taken away??? Don't take away someone else's.

My cousin Nathan posted that the other day.
 

Darkwitless

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Aug 21, 2010
3,158
905
KY
Jordon - what is friend smoking this morning? lol But I get what s/he saying.

I asked a anti-gay/equal rights marriage person why anyone else's marriage effected her? She had no answer. well duh! exactly.

She later said - but YOUR church (I'm Catholic) is against it too. I replied, yeah, and they also approved and paid for the crusades and excommunicated a dude for saying the earth revolved around the sun. They've been known to be wrong. I focus more on the verse: first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly how to remove the splinter from your brother's eye (Matt:7:5)
 

beebopnjazz

Vaping Master
Supporting Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Jan 20, 2010
7,829
8,247
PA
True, but the apology can't be delivered too soon or it negates the impact of the lesson. It similarly can't be delivered too late, or be too ineffectual, sounding hollow/empty.

I'm thinking around 1000 or so....

Ummmm Clay? You're not her commanding officer nor her parent:blink:......she did what you asked her to do....you just didn't like the answer:glare:.....if she doesn't understand how the detector works (besides needing new batteries) she doesn't know what questions to ask. She might tell you to blow your hot air on the detector to see if it works again.:p
 

ClayK

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Apr 3, 2011
941
593
VA
Ummmm Clay? You're not her commanding officer nor her parent:blink:......she did what you asked her to do....you just didn't like the answer:glare:.....if she doesn't understand how the detector works (besides needing new batteries) she doesn't know what questions to ask. She might tell you to blow your hot air on the detector to see if it works again.:p

Yeah... I know. Civilian life is tough... I've been out for some time and even with friends (this is for you Dog), I've been known to slip back into my old life and come off gruff, although I'm still getting better.

I did call, I did apologize, I asked for her help in dealing with those situations in the future. I explained to her that it was wrong me of me to go from 0-60 when getting pushback after given clear objectives and resolution to an obstacle that she can overcome (with detailed instruction/input). I'm not nice enough, that's something I need to work on. I'm not running a fire team or a squad anymore and I need to understand that people (except those with similar backgrounds) don't respond to the same type of direction/motivation.

Dog can attest, I like things to just get done (sometimes in a particular way, but that's my OCD). He handles it pretty well since I think he understands me, similar background and all (he was a tank guy and Army, but don't hold that against him ;) ). I need to remember that we are teammates and that failed mission objectives, in our current state, won't cost lives. The little voice in the back of my head is saying, "When it really counts, all mission objectives are critical and they need to be met at all times". I need to ignore that voice until it's relevant and things really are life/death.

Good news is, I can be extra snarky to Dog on the upcoming shoot. I'll hold all my angst until then and unload on him :)
 

MagnusEunson

Bearded Super Villain
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Apr 30, 2011
4,448
4,789
Behind you
I'm half-tempted to apologize for snapping, but on the other hand, I'm of the opinion that what I did was right. Grrrr.... what a great way to start a Friday.

You best do so. Not because it's a fight happening... but I bet the reason she didn't want to call was more about sounding stupid, weak, or otherwise in front of you. I wager if you're not there, she makes the extra calls and such. If not, if she isn't already that type of person, I'm wondering how she wrangles two toddlers w/ spitfire in their eyes.

So you might be inadvertently reinforcing an insecurity that you want to flush out. Put her at ease.

*puts down dime-store piss-syke-ologly book* -Magnus
 

ClayK

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Apr 3, 2011
941
593
VA
You best do so. Not because it's a fight happening... but I bet the reason she didn't want to call was more about sounding stupid, weak, or otherwise in front of you. I wager if you're not there, she makes the extra calls and such. If not, if she isn't already that type of person, I'm wondering how she wrangles two toddlers w/ spitfire in their eyes.

So you might be inadvertently reinforcing an insecurity that you want to flush out. Put her at ease.

*puts down dime-store piss-syke-ologly book* -Magnus

I did. She's a passive-aggressive person, it's part of her personality, but she is very dependent. She's made comments, concerns in the past that if something were to happen to me, she would be lost. She does get stuff done, but it takes a long time and many trial/error events. That specific portion of the problem is my burden to bear, I can't expect that everyone in my life is going to be me.

I do have issues with her rationalizing or justifying actions. I'm not sure how to overcome that, either on her end or my own. I think the only thing I really expect is acceptance. Do something right? Accept it. Do something wrong? Accept it. Again, that's probably my Marine Corps mentality. If there are effects or consequences as a result of a cause or action that you are a part of, own it and move forward. Like with my phone call to her this morning, I didn't rationalize or justify my part. I accepted it, apologized and asked how I could address my side of the issues in the future. I'm sure if she did the same, we would be peachy keen.

Clay,go apologize to your wife and then say a prayer thanking the good Lord above that it wasn't me you said that to. MEN!!Ughhh!


Good Morning PIFers!!!

Lox its Friday!!!

I dunno, you have more spunk... I like spunk. ;)
 

keyzygirl

ECF Guru
ECF Veteran
Aug 10, 2009
18,309
5,844
Key West,Fl.
  • Deleted by keyzygirl

beebopnjazz

Vaping Master
Supporting Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Jan 20, 2010
7,829
8,247
PA
I did. She's a passive-aggressive person, it's part of her personality, but she is very dependent. She's made comments, concerns in the past that if something were to happen to me, she would be lost. She does get stuff done, but it takes a long time and many trial/error events. That specific portion of the problem is my burden to bear, I can't expect that everyone in my life is going to be me.

I do have issues with her rationalizing or justifying actions. I'm not sure how to overcome that, either on her end or my own. I think the only thing I really expect is acceptance. Do something right? Accept it. Do something wrong? Accept it. Again, that's probably my Marine Corps mentality. If there are effects or consequences as a result of a cause or action that you are a part of, own it and move forward. Like with my phone call to her this morning, I didn't rationalize or justify my part. I accepted it, apologized and asked how I could address my side of the issues in the future. I'm sure if she did the same, we would be peachy keen.



I dunno, you have more spunk... I like spunk. ;)

Hmmm....ya know that almost sounds like me years ago - I can be passive aggressive :blush:and I really don't like a good fight. But hindsight is 20/20. He made me FEEL like I was dependent, that whatever I did was never good enough or enough for that matter.:blink: (omg! So did my mother! - ACKKK! I married my mother!) But in actuality, I DID do it all...it just wasn't to his liking.:glare: And something did happen to him....and it became apparent to everyone (children included)...that I was NOT the weak link, that I was the strong one and had been all along.

Sometimes a person SEEMS dependent, when in actuality they are lacking emotional support. I'm not saying this is your scenario.....it's just something to think about.
 

Darkwitless

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Aug 21, 2010
3,158
905
KY
And reading all this reminds me why marriage can be hard! Two different personalities, backgrounds, baggage, strengths, weaknesses and insecurities, goals etc trying to live in harmony. LOL Guess we should be more surprised that anyone can be married long and like it :)

And kudos to you Clay for recognizing where you differ.


Have you ever read The 5 Love Languages. Helped me a lot (and DH) to recognize some stuff.
According to the author there are 5 languages:
Words of Affirmation, Quality Time, Receiving Gifts, Acts of Service, Physical Touch - I'm an affirmation, quality time. DH is a physical touch, acts of service. Helped us figure out what we each perceive as being ways to express our love and feel we are being loved.

For a "self-help" book it actually very good.
 

ClayK

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Apr 3, 2011
941
593
VA
I've been slowly integrating more responsibilities (objectives) into her daily/weekly routine. I've been handing over things like bills, cars (registration, maintenance, inspections, etc), etc for her to manage. She's faltered in some areas, with consequences, but she's getting there. She's correct in her assessment that she would be lost if something were to happen to me. She's put all the bills (mortgage, utilities, etc), financial planning, vehicles (which I'm slowly turning over to her), insurance, medical, etc in my court. Could she do all of this stuff? Sure. Does she? No. Not minimizing what she does, but her responsibilities are the kids and keeping the house clean/organized. I know that's a lot of work, I did it when she was in the hospital for two weeks. It's tough, but it's not impossible, I acknowledge that her job isn't easy.

She's not so good with time management and criticality assessment. Unless she has an ordered schedule without any pop-up targets that require immediate attention (deviating from the planned schedule), she is pretty unorganized. I'm trying to help her with the time management portion and she's getting better, but again, she's highly scheduled driven. As any Marine will tell you, initiative is our bread and butter. Better to beg for forgiveness than to ask for permission.

Part of those issues stem from her parent's social dynamics, it's hard to break bad habits that were reinforced by 30 years of parenting in that environment. We usually work as a team (my wife and I) on helping her sister (younger sibling) to overcome those same bad habits. That actually helps her see some things easier, even if she doesn't have the severity of issues like her sister does. Their mother has put this fear into them that is extremely hard to explain, but it's like the baby bird that refuses to leave the nest for fear of everything. Know "Finding Nemo"? Marlin (the dad), is like their mother, overly protective but with a strong streak of martyrdom/masochism/manipulation. So, in a way, both have been crippled with regards to asserting their independence.
 

Darkwitless

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Aug 21, 2010
3,158
905
KY
I get it Clay.

My mom would truly be lost without my dad. he pays all the bill s- he's tried for the past couple of years to get her involved - she doesn't want to know. I live in dread that something will happen to my dad and I'll be the one to have to help her out with organizing the bills etc.

DH & I use to take turns with bill - every other month. Neither wanted the responsibility but neither wanted to be in the dark either. BUt I took it over when I became a SAHM. And to be honest, I'm the one doing the grocery shopping etc - so it makes sense that I have the final say on our budget in that area. Thankfully we are very alike in our spending habits - we both hate to spend money. He's a better planner than I am - and he's organized - I'm not. I fly by the seat of my pants - but hate to be late for anything, so my calendar is always nearby.

Our moves have really forced me to stretch. I've always been left behind to sell the house with kid(s) while he moved on to the new place. I've had to learn to handle things I'd have preferred to turn over to him ;-)

But it does build confidence to do something new and have it turn out ok. Once you know you can do something, well, it's empowering.
 

oldsoldier

Retired ECF Forum Manager
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Dec 17, 2010
12,503
8,000
Lurking in the shadows
www.reboot-n.com
Hey clay. Been there... done that. Just remember that any day that you aren't being shot at is a good day. Don't sweat the small ...., it's all good. now that we are out, in the end its family that have your back in the civilian world. Learning to apologize is the hardest mission an ex NCO will ever have. It just flies in the face of what we are and what we were.

Good luck with battle damage repairs :)
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Users who are viewing this thread