Cigarettes taste so bad now.....

[jambi]

I'm not one of the Born Again vapers that denounces smoking and all related to it as now somehow unholy. In fact, I absolutely love the smell of burning tobacco, be it cigarette or any other form. Always did, even as a kid, and always will.

What I find unpleasant now is the smell of smokers just after they've burned one. When I smoked, I was never aware of that stench, since I was always walking around in a cloud of it. Now I understand what my kids and friends and everyone were talking about when they told me I stank like cigs.

 

[DC2]

I never smoked for flavor, except for maybe a cigar now and then.
And I never, ever drink for flavor.

Although there are some really good sipping tequilas out there.
And there are some great beers these days.

 

[DC2]

There's no way that when a smoker has not had a puff in say 8 hours, that they are gasping for the taste. It's the nicotine pure and simple.

Why didn't patches or gum work then?
In other words, I truly believe that you are wrong.

 

[beckdg]

I don't know how many times I hear this type of comment from ex-smoking vapers. That cigarettes taste god awful now that vaping has taken over. Hey guess what? I too prefer the taste of vaping. But, what I don't get is how ex-smokers don't fully remember that smoking was an acquired taste and that flavor of your chosen smoke was highly desired at one point.

And was thinking about this yesterday for the umpteenth time. Coming at it from angle I've used before. Comparing vaping to smoking (in terms of taste) is like comparing soda to pretty much any type of (unflavored or low flavored) alcohol. Like, show me the day that brandy taste better than a coke. Or that gin tastes better than a orange soda. Or that whiskey tastes better than cream soda. I imagine that day will NEVER exist. Ever. If I were to meet a person that suggested some type of alcohol tastes inherently better than soda, I would think they are crazy. Like objectively crazy even while taste is subjective.

I'm yet to see an eLiquid flavor that matches a smoke. If you hate on smoking, that's a good thing (right?). But if you don't, and are either neutral or positive towards idea of smoking, then I think it is worthy of pointing out, as apparently there are lots of people (millions) that understand smoking is partially done for flavor. And that flavor very much matters.

When comparing the two heads up as if one is to be viewed as winner and the other completely discarded as not worthy of every doing again, then it does make me wonder why anyone would ever drink alcohol (for flavor) when there are many other beverages that taste infinitely better than alcohol. Heck, I'd throw coffee into the mix as well. Soda tastes better than coffee. I'd say that's more subjective of an opinion than alcohol vs. soda, but not by much.

Anyway, I end this rant now. Thanks for reading. And yes, I get that people need to have claim that smoking tastes bad so they can be rest assured that their decision to cease smoking is solidified.

Whiskey tastes better than cream soda every day.

Cigarettes are nasty. They were nasty when I started. They're nasty now.

I was just dumb enough to get addicted.

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

First, a nice glass of kettle One over ice is pretty damn tasty but I don't drink soda.

This!

Or preferably Grey Goose.

And lastly, Belvedere.

Tapatyped

 

[inspects]

About the only time I actually enjoyed the taste of a cigarette was first thing in the morning with coffee..now that I quit smoking for about 14-15 months I despise the smell or taste of smoke and coffee..strange after 40 years of the same ritual every day.

Coffee and cigarettes now smell repulsive. I assume the addictive chemicals in smokes is what kept me at a pack-a-day, because I surely didn't enjoy the taste after the first couple of cigarettes in the morning. After that I needed the nicotine and other cocktail mix to feed my addiction.

Often now I can smell the neighbor smoking 300 feet away when the wind is blowing this direction. The smell to me is just nauseating. Makes me think what the hell was wrong with me to even begin smoking in the first place.

Anyway, at least I now know I'll never return to smoking, even if they magically began to smell-taste like the best scent on earth.

Since beginning to vape I no longer enjoy the taste of any soda or alcoholic beverage drinks either. It's truly bizarre how vaping can change what I once consumed in fairly large quantities, except alcohol, never was much of a drinker.

Stale burnt cigarette butts probably take the cake for the true meaning of a repulsive smell, for me anyway, even when I smoked.

Taste is certainly subjective, we all know this. If someone says they love the smell of what I may despise, it doesn't make them odd by any means. Nobody likes the exact same things as other individuals.

 

[Rizzyking]

I always smoked what was cheapest so flavour wasn't an aspect for me throat hit was the biggest thing for me and the multiple times I tried quitting I'd make it to about six months and one day I'd have a craving that just didn't go away till I had a cigarette. Neither me or my GP could work out the six months thing but after several attempts to quit and it hitting every time clearly something but with vaping I'm getting the throat hit and an enjoyable taste to round off the whole experience. Cigarette's smell unpleasant to me but certain pipe and cigars still smell mildly pleasant I think it's just an individual thing much like vaping is for many of us and like anything of that sort is not the thing to judge anyone on.

 

[jambi]

There's no way that when a smoker has not had a puff in say 8 hours, that they are gasping for the taste. It's the nicotine pure and simple.

Oh, I think it's more complex than that. Smoking was so much more than mere nicotine for me. The fancy lighters, the ashtrays, the excuses to take a break to go do it, the bonding with other smokers that went along with it. I was addicted to the ritual as much as the nicotine.

That ritual aspect has actually gotten way more complex with vaping. The coil building, gear acquisition, battery charging, DIY mixing, etc. etc. Probably 50% of my living space is dedicated to vape related activities. I stop at the vape store after work just to shoot the breeze with like minded people. It's like a full blown hobby now, and takes up way more of my active attention than smoking ever did. Heck, look where I am every morning, participating on a forum dedicated to vaping. I was never a member of any cigarette smoker's forums, never had a reason. It wasn't something I was proud of, it was more like something to hide and be ashamed of.

But hey, whatever it takes. I like where I am now way more than where I was 2 years ago! Trading my Zippos for VTC4's was a life changer for sure!

 

[jambi]

I hear all your dislikes, but pretty much all you've written about smokers is not accurate with us moderate smokers. Other than 5 minutes (at most 1 day) after finishing one, I nor my car don't smell of it. And again, while I prefer vaping, that doesn't mean I need to hate on smoking to like vaping.

It seems a lot of people do, but I think that's a pretty normal human reaction. Problem is that hating can lead to potentially bad stuff, like holocausts and such. To those for whom hate is an essential element of their own abstinence, hate the addiction, but embrace the addict, because the addict is really you.

Just don't get cocky and start believing your car doesn't stink. If you smoke in it, it stinks, whether you yourself notice it or not.

 

[nyiddle]

Heh, the meta is real. I saw the thread title and assumed this was a thread from another vaper who tried a cigarette and is making the claim that, "it tasted awful! I put it out immediately and wondered how I ever picked up the nasty things!" Ironically it was a thread discussing the type of thread I thought this was. The river runs deep.

Truth is, in the ~3 years I've been vaping, I've slipped once or twice. I've mentioned it on other threads before, but one time I was camping and it was raining and a combination of alcohol and me not wanting to get my vape wet led to a couple cigarettes. They tasted fantastic. I loved every second of it. I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy the hell out of it.

As mentioned, I think the biggest part of it is a sort of "self-affirmation" that their decision to quit smoking was the right one. Obviously, that decision is the correct one and I fully support it, but I'm not a fan of lying to myself even if it is to positively reinforce a good decision.

Also what bugs me is I see a lot of people who hate on dual users. ie: People who smoke and vape. I think if you're using vaping to cut down on smoking, whether it gets you down to 20 cigarettes a day or 0 cigarettes a day, is a positive change and should be encouraged. I was able to quit cold turkey (barring a few slips a year or so into my vaping career) but for some people it won't be that easy, and I think some people exhibit some sense of disrespect for that. I've even heard people say totally ridiculous statements like, "Well you're a smoker, so you can't call yourself a vaper," or, "You're a hypocrite." Not everyone's gonna quit cold turkey though.

Anyway, interesting read, this one.

 

[DaveP]

The thing that made me quit cigarettes after vaping for almost a year was vaping and smoking with the vape in my left hand and the cig in my right. I had allowed myself a couple of cigs in morning with coffee and one after each meal (down from a 2PAD habit).

One day after supper I decided to compare them side by side. I vaped a hit and exhaled. Then, I took a puff from the cigarette. It was kind of interesting how bad the cigarette tasted compared to the vape. At that moment, I realized that it was pointless to smoke something that tasted so nasty just to get nic. I could get that from the vape.

I finished the last pack and never bought another one. I've had no cigarette cravings even to this day, over 5 years later.

 

[Jman8]

Whiskey tastes better than cream soda every day.

I ask that this be stricken from the record on the account that I think this witness is quite plausibly insane.

 

[Jman8]

It seems a lot of people do, but I think that's a pretty normal human reaction. Problem is that hating can lead to potentially bad stuff, like holocausts and such. To those for whom hate is an essential element of their own abstinence, hate the addiction, but embrace the addict, because the addict is really you.

Just don't get cocky and start believing your car doesn't stink. If you smoke in it, it stinks, whether you yourself notice it or not.

I'm saying the car doesn't smell of smoke after a certain period. Some may think that is years (or forever), whereas I know it to be weeks or months, with 12 being the very most, and 6 being likely. I have decent to very good sense of smell and do know what it's like to go cold turkey.

Alas though, this is perhaps just bias running up against bias. My bias is that cigarette smell dissipates (greatly) over time, while others (who hate smoking now) think it lasts *forever. I'm not smoking daily in my car, and so if haters are comparing their experiences of smoking every 15 min. in same space for decades to what I'm currently up to, then, well their version of facts strike me as cocky in another way.

I'd be glad to put my car's interior after 6 months to a never smoker for final determination on whether cigarette smell is detectable. With a hater, I'm sure I could have a brand new car, claimed I smoked in their routinely, have now quit, and they'd tell me it reeks of smoking. When in reality, no one ever smoked in there and they're justing sticking to their bias.

 

[Jman8]

Heh, the meta is real. I saw the thread title and assumed this was a thread from another vaper who tried a cigarette and is making the claim that, "it tasted awful! I put it out immediately and wondered how I ever picked up the nasty things!" Ironically it was a thread discussing the type of thread I thought this was. The river runs deep.

Truth is, in the ~3 years I've been vaping, I've slipped once or twice. I've mentioned it on other threads before, but one time I was camping and it was raining and a combination of alcohol and me not wanting to get my vape wet led to a couple cigarettes. They tasted fantastic. I loved every second of it. I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy the hell out of it.

As mentioned, I think the biggest part of it is a sort of "self-affirmation" that their decision to quit smoking was the right one. Obviously, that decision is the correct one and I fully support it, but I'm not a fan of lying to myself even if it is to positively reinforce a good decision.

Also what bugs me is I see a lot of people who hate on dual users. ie: People who smoke and vape. I think if you're using vaping to cut down on smoking, whether it gets you down to 20 cigarettes a day or 0 cigarettes a day, is a positive change and should be encouraged. I was able to quit cold turkey (barring a few slips a year or so into my vaping career) but for some people it won't be that easy, and I think some people exhibit some sense of disrespect for that. I've even heard people say totally ridiculous statements like, "Well you're a smoker, so you can't call yourself a vaper," or, "You're a hypocrite." Not everyone's gonna quit cold turkey though.

Anyway, interesting read, this one.

Thanks for your words.

Just wondering, is quitting smoking entirely via vaping considered (by you, perhaps others) as going cold turkey?

If yes, then as one who's previously gone cold turkey without the need to vape nicotine, has something to say about this. Would be interesting debate and one I might not be very shy about if people feel need to speak negatively about us dual users. Thank goodness that doesn't include you.

I also wish to make abundantly clear that I could easily (like very easily) stop smoking today if I so chose. But because I enjoy being a moderate smoker (a lot), I don't currently have that desire. This notion of dual users needing time before it sinks in that they should quit is, quite honestly, offensive. Or as offensive as an ex-smoker who went cold turkey speaking to a vaper and saying, "so, when are you really going to quit?"

 

[nyiddle]

Thanks for your words.

Just wondering, is quitting smoking entirely via vaping considered (by you, perhaps others) as going cold turkey?

If yes, then as one who's previously gone cold turkey without the need to vape nicotine, has something to say about this. Would be interesting debate and one I might not be very shy about if people feel need to speak negatively about us dual users. Thank goodness that doesn't include you.

I also wish to make abundantly clear that I could easily (like very easily) stop smoking today if I so chose. But because I enjoy being a moderate smoker (a lot), I don't currently have that desire. This notion of dual users needing time before it sinks in that they should quit is, quite honestly, offensive. Or as offensive as an ex-smoker who went cold turkey speaking to a vaper and saying, "so, when are you really going to quit?"

I consider "cold turkey" stopping outright, whether you're using vaping to supplement your nicotine addiction (or simply the oral/"smoke" fixation) or not. When I discovered mech mods I quit cold turkey. The very day I got my mech and RDA was the day I stopped smoking for so long that I actually had to throw out my stale cigarettes. I'd consider that "cold turkey" whereas cutting back/weaning oneself off/simply replacing 1 of the cigarettes you'd have in the day with a few puffs of the vape isn't cold turkey. Mind you, one's not better/worse than the other, they're both just different methods of harm reduction.

I know plenty of people who are dual users, and I think any level of supplementation to replace or cut back on cigarettes is laudable.

 

[r77r7r]

Nm

 

[DC2]

Truth is, in the ~3 years I've been vaping, I've slipped once or twice. I've mentioned it on other threads before, but one time I was camping and it was raining and a combination of alcohol and me not wanting to get my vape wet led to a couple cigarettes. They tasted fantastic. I loved every second of it. I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy the hell out of it.

As mentioned, I think the biggest part of it is a sort of "self-affirmation" that their decision to quit smoking was the right one. Obviously, that decision is the correct one and I fully support it, but I'm not a fan of lying to myself even if it is to positively reinforce a good decision.

So you loved smoking those cigarettes, and now everyone else is lying?
Yeah, that's probably what it is.

As for me, I smoke a cigarette whenever I feel like it.
I'm not scared of them anymore.

It used to be around once a month, but now it's more like once a year.

But yeah, they taste like crap, and make me feel kinda like crap.
Maybe I'm lying too, although I fail to see any reason I would want to or need to.

 

[Jman8]

I consider "cold turkey" stopping outright, whether you're using vaping to supplement your nicotine addiction (or simply the oral/"smoke" fixation) or not. When I discovered mech mods I quit cold turkey. The very day I got my mech and RDA was the day I stopped smoking for so long that I actually had to throw out my stale cigarettes. I'd consider that "cold turkey" whereas cutting back/weaning oneself off/simply replacing 1 of the cigarettes you'd have in the day with a few puffs of the vape isn't cold turkey. Mind you, one's not better/worse than the other, they're both just different methods of harm reduction.

I know plenty of people who are dual users, and I think any level of supplementation to replace or cut back on cigarettes is laudable.

Interesting. When I went cold turkey, or if I were to do it again, it would be, and previously was, sans vaping.

For sure dual using at moderate level of smoking (like 3 a week), like I do now, would be not possible for me to consider as going cold turkey.

Quitting smoking is quitting smoking, and so I guess I can see how it is considered cold turkey, but I don't think of that as cold turkey. Not sure if it matters, if the ultimate point is quitting. But then again, as person who has gone cold turkey longer than almost every vaper has quit smoking via vaping, and I'm now smoking again, it kinda sorta matters to me. Especially if I hear a vaper claim, "if I can't vape, I'd surely smoke." IOW, have you really quit? Really, really? Cause if one thinks I didn't really quit, because I'm now smoking again, then I'm not sure I understand what quitting means. Really doesn't make sense to say you quit, until the day of your passing, to be absolutely certain you'll never smoke again. Whereas it does make (crystal clear) sense, to me, to say I in fact did previously quit smoking. For 8+ years I quit, by going cold turkey.

I guess this all matters to me, because some ex-smokers very visibly get on a high horse and wish to own certain terms that relate to current actions. That any of those people (vapers) would have the gall to convey any sense of negativity to a dual using person like myself who enjoys a good debate, doesn't bode well for the vaping community if all we have is "it helps you to stop smoking and that's the ultimate goal."

Obviously, this is not my ultimate goal. But I gotta remember that haters are gonna keep on hating.

 

[Jman8]

So you loved smoking those cigarettes, and now everyone else is lying?
Yeah, that's probably what it is.

As for me, I smoke a cigarette whenever I feel like it.
I'm not scared of them anymore.

It used to be around once a month, but now it's more like once a year.

But yeah, they taste like crap, and make me feel kinda like crap.
Maybe I'm lying too, although I fail to see any reason I would want to or need to.

I didn't get from @nyiddle post that everyone else is lying. But I can see how you inferred this. When nyiddle wrote:

As mentioned, I think the biggest part of it is a sort of "self-affirmation" that their decision to quit smoking was the right one. Obviously, that decision is the correct one and I fully support it, but I'm not a fan of lying to myself even if it is to positively reinforce a good decision.

It is statement about himself. (I think nyiddle is a he, LOL.) But there is implication, I think, that it could be statement about everyone else.

Many on this thread have said they never liked the taste. It would be implausible to show otherwise. Thus, I think it is very likely that among current smokers who think they like the taste of their smokes, they actually don't and are lying to themselves. Give those same people 6 months of good vaping and let's see if they stick to notion of ever liking the taste of their smokes. And at end of 6 months of not smoking, let's see whether they like the taste of a smoke. I believe, quite confidently, that majority of those people would say they dislike it, and then claim they never *really* liked the taste of their smoke.

What this thread is saying though, is that taste is acquired. I've met a few people who say they liked taste of a smoke from moment they tried it and even as ex-smoker today, they miss the flavor. Very few people, that I've encountered are like this. I could count them on one hand. Me, I hated the taste at first. And at second, and perhaps the first 10. Then I acquired the taste for tobacco/smoking, and changed brands often so I wouldn't get addicted to a specific brand, then settled on a brand that I found to be best tasting, got addicted and continued for nearly a decade.

With the clear desire to explore flavors in the vaping world, it seems a little surprising that we don't see that more often among smokers. Brands of smokes clearly taste different. Why not have majority of smokers change brands every time they buy a pack if flavor is meaningless, yet distinguishable enough to flavor explore among brands?

All things that I'm sure current science will never care to understand, and yet there does seem to be very strong, noticeable patterns to this stuff. Instead, we resort to the blanket notion of, 'everyone's different and we can't be sure of why anyone does anything.'

I really do think smokers acquire a taste for smoking and either like it or tolerate it because they are addicted. To what exactly isn't clearly known. The convenient answer is nicotine, but those of us who do informal daily studies on this (larger) topic, know it ain't the nicotine alone that keeps people in the habit of smoking/vaping.

But I also think it is quite plausible that there are smokers who smoke habitually, but are not addicted. These being the type of people who smoke say every weekend and never on weekdays. And have no cravings say Mon-Thu for a smoke. Perhaps they go every other weekend, and have no cravings in between. When I was heavy smoker, I couldn't relate to these people as it seemed not possible to be a moderate smoker. Now, I'm living the life of a moderate smoker. And I enjoy it.

I don't think anyone who used to smoke and now hates the taste is lying about hating the taste now. But I do think they are dismissing the fact that the taste is acquired. And then to perpetuate the hate for the taste and make blanket statements of cigarettes stink (as in everyone knows that) is offensive/insulting. Yet, we live in a world society where hating on smoking/smokers is so permissible that why not be insulting to those lowlife smokers? Everyone's doing it!

To say one has never enjoyed or liked the taste of a smoke is hard for me to believe. But not sure how I'd ever win the argument that is implied in that type of assertion.

But now that 'lying to one's self' is on the table, it seems like it is open to further discussion. Is the smoker lying to themselves about liking the taste? Is the ex-smoker lying to themselves about never liking the taste?

Perhaps we'll never know. But surely some self knows (whether a lie is being told, or not).

 

[DC2]

But now that 'lying to one's self' is on the table, it seems like it is open to further discussion. Is the smoker lying to themselves about liking the taste? Is the ex-smoker lying to themselves about never liking the taste?

As much as you don't seem to want to hear it, the answer is everyone is different.


I really liked the taste of some of the more exotic or "expensive" cigarettes.
I wish I could remember which ones, but it's been so long now.

For the most part I smoked Camel and Marlboro, but could tolerate Winston if I had to.
I liked the taste of regulars far more than lights, but I smoked the lights anyway.

That's about all I remember at this point.