One of the reasons I wanted the panzer clone..... Working with horses requires a sturdy mod, that you don't mind scratching up some
Clone Versus Authentic Discussion
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One of the reasons I wanted the panzer clone..... Working with horses requires a sturdy mod, that you don't mind scratching up some
I don't see how this post addresses any of the points I raised, or advances the discussion in any way. It feels like a simple ad hominem to me. Below, I repost the post I made that the above quoted text refers to:
"This, I don't understand. I've been online for about 20 yrs, have downloaded and uploaded loads of stolen software, music and vids and have been well aware that I steal and facilitate the stealing of "intellectual property". The people with whom I have associated with in these environments - well, we have all referred to ourselves as thieves or pirates.
When I bought my Tobeco K4 in January, I was well aware that I was stealing intellectual property. I did not attempt any internal moral justifications. This is probably the only place I've been online where those who steal deny that they are doing so, and attempt to denigrate those who do not steal with expressions such as "elitist" etc. I've stolen Photoshop at least once, but have never bad mouthed those who buy it.
I don't know how much a Kayfun V4 is "worth", but it's pretty obvious to me that a German worker earns more, has better holidays, better working conditions, and better social care based on his taxes than his Chinese counterpart working out of some shed or other. Anyone who thinks otherwise is simply delusional. Add to that the costs of R&D and yes, an auth is going to cost more than a Chinese clone. You only have to take the K4 apart, look at it, think about R&D and it's plain that it's "worth" more than 20 dollars. Those who buy a 20 dollar clone as opposed to paying the 180 asking price of an auth thinking, and vehemently protesting, that they are somehow going "against the man" are operating under some kind of logical misconception that simply mystifies me.
Cars tend to have 3 pedals. That don't mean that all 3 pedal cars are clones of the first 3 pedal car. Buy a Ford or steal a Merc; I don't care - just, if you decide to steal the Merc, don't try to take any moral high ground."
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Hope those 'clones' hold up. Svoe Mesto's application is registered and in the final stages of approval...
Trademarks don't actually have to be applied for ... If you create or design something like the SM logo and can prove that you created it first ... you can prevent or stop a company from putting it onto their product.
Anything you write, design or create is already protected if you can prove you came up with it first ... you could even create a logo, draw it on a postcard and mail it to yourself as proof of originality and it would be time stamped and stand up in court
As I posted earlier, SM would for sure go after a shop selling clones as authentic ... however, going after the actual Chinese counterfeiters is another battle which is harder to stop.
All of these logos designed and created by original companies and then copied and put onto counterfeit items are doing it illegally.
Try churning out fake items here in North America and see how fast you will be shut down ... by simply sewing someone else's logo onto something and selling it as original.
The bottom line on clones is ... if they don't have someone else's logo on it, it's a clone.
If it does have someone else's logo ... it is counterfeit.
As vapers, we have 3 choices ... we buy authentic ... we buy a clone of an authentic ... or we buy a counterfeit of an authentic.
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Authentic made in china is not the same as clone made in china. You should go back to school.
This is what will destroy our right to vape. Look at all the cheap made in China mods you so love and then try and stop laws from being passed. Why should I pay $200.00 for a safe mod when the kid next door only paid $12.00 for his?
Willy,
I do believe that the rules you are describing above relate to copywrite not trademark.
I'm also quite sure that nobody likes seeing logos so you're preaching to the choir on that. Finally, something most everyone agrees on. The relevance of agreement is that you KNOW that the manufacturers monitor this forum. I've even been contacted by one of them as a result of my posts.
Yeah, I suspect proving your unregistered trademark may be more difficult than some think. Maybe not for a big company like Svoemesto, but for an individual like me? I bet it would. I'm making some original mods right now, although they won't be for sale now that I understand the liability laws.
No one will listen to you because "you are a thief"
Oh, wait a minute, I'm a thief too, Sorry.
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actually it does apply to both ... the reason companies Trademark is to legally establish brands and prevent competition.
The Nike logo has an interesting story, in 1971 a young woman named Carolyn Davidson created the Nike swoosh logo and was paid $35 for it. In 1983 the company held a party for her and presented her a Nike Gold Swoosh ring and 500 Nike shares (worth $650,000).
If someone at Nike had found her logo and used it without her permission ... and she had proof that she created it first ... they would have to settle.
This just doesn't apply to logos ... it also applies to design and innovation.
Patents apply when you invent something first.
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