Clone Versus Authentic Discussion
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When is the last time you heard of any dangerous mod failure that wasn't caused by user error?
What are the tradeoffs when buying a clone of RBAs such as the Magma and Kayfun v4?
The only difference between the Tobeco KF4 and the SM one is about $160.
Metals used, fit and finish, warranty, tolerances in machining, threads, replaceable parts, morality...
Mine are perfect. Best vape I've ever had and Use them both everyday.
When have you bought a mod that contained any instructions at all about safe battery use, what batteries to use or how to charge them safely? Most of the user errors occur when buying cheap batteries from ebay and amazon and using cheap chargers. Oh wait I do know of one company that gives the buyer all the information.
Because it's so very difficult to learn the ins and outs of something unless the company you purchase something from tells you everything? How many authentics even do that?
Most of the user errors come from people trying to chase the cloud, building far too low for their gear.... Just as much of a risk in authentics.
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Most of the user errors come from people trying to chase the cloud, building far too low for their gear.... Just as much of a risk in authentics.
Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping.
Not trying to be argumentative ricks, but the only way you can say that with any integrity is if you've owned both, built both, and spent enough time to make an educated opinion. It's no diff than if an auth owner says the tobeco is a pos. Morality issue taken out of the equation here, people can choose to buy what they want and it's non of my business.
I had one mod spontaneously burst into flames sitting in my vape stand. I don't see how I could have caused that.
At any rate, I've learned the manufacturer and even the retailer could be held liable even if user error was the cause. So, if I want to sell mods they would need a very well written user manual warning buyers of every potential problem that may occur, and probably a huge liability policy just in case.
Now I know why my Triumph motorcycle manual is filled with warnings that I thought were ridiculous such as, "Rider and passengers should not sit on the windshield. This could lead to loss of control, leading to injury or death."
At any rate, I've learned the manufacturer and even the retailer could be held liable even if user error was the cause. So, if I want to sell mods they would need a very well written user manual warning buyers of every potential problem that may occur, and probably a huge liability policy just in case.
Now I know why my Triumph motorcycle manual is filled with warnings that I thought were ridiculous such as, "Rider and passengers should not sit on the windshield. This could lead to loss of control, leading to injury or death."
. 2003 Sprint ST.No argument here Mtek. Have you compared a Tobeco with the SM? The only difference I see is that the SM has been buffed a little more giving it a smoother finish. Everything else was the same.
I own both, my opinion is the auth is better in every way. The question becomes how much better its worth is subjective, but to me it's worth every cent. I'm not saying the tobeco isn't a nice peice here either. It is a great value. I will admit, I'm leaving my morality issues out of this too, but it's hard because I see value in genuine stuff.
I don't think my Tobecco k 4 is perfect. But, it works, looks ok, and I haven't had to replace or fix anything. And it didn't have black, caked on machine oil stuck up the chimney 
So it fits the bill for someone wanting to try one cheaply. And now that they have no logos, that's great. I admit, I'm not going to toss the one I have to get a non logoed one now because if I want to keep using it I'll get an authentic. But, its too bad the non logoed one wasn't available when I got this one.
So it fits the bill for someone wanting to try one cheaply. And now that they have no logos, that's great. I admit, I'm not going to toss the one I have to get a non logoed one now because if I want to keep using it I'll get an authentic. But, its too bad the non logoed one wasn't available when I got this one.
Oh, this is interesting, at least for me who has been mulling this over. The HCigar k4 was available with your choice of: fake SM logo, HCigar logo or no logo. Its only been for sale in the US a couple/few weeks. I went to find a pic of it for this thread and all the non logoed and HCigar logoed ones were sold out. I think that kind of supports my theory that Americans don't necessarily want fake logos.
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