Clone Versus Authentic Discussion
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Disclaimer: This is not in defense of Ping, nor an attack on you.
This is not a "huzzah" for authentics, nor an attack on clones.
So Bird...what if, just WHAT IF, his moral obligation drives him to include material quality in his list of safety points? After all, a new vaper should be taught that there is a vast difference not only in the performance of different metals, but also in the safety of different metals.
I, for one, have done a lot of research on the safety of using different metals when they're in contact with foods or other consumable substances.
One of the things included in the high price of an authentic, is the transparency of quality materials used. All authentic designers I've spoken with (or purchased from, or have considered/researched), are open and willing to provide the list of materials used. Clone makers are not. And when they do, they lie. And I've seen it. Notice, I didn't say the "affordable authentic makers". Because even most of them will be honest about their materials.
When it comes to the safety of materials used, one must consider this dismaying observation...If you're using a device that is made of inferior/"mystery" materials, that come in contact with what you're consuming (e-liquid/juice/what have you), you are, in most cases, doing more damage to yourself than when you were smoking. And that fact cannot be refuted.
So when you, or anyone else on this thread, speaks of safety, don't be so blinded by another's post(s), that you forget about the safety of quality materials. Because they play just as big a part, if not the biggest part, in vaping safely.
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I'm not joining this asinine conversation from either standpoint, as it's mostly just a humorous journey into the human condition, reserved for my morning poop time. But, you're firing arrows from the top of your moral high ground, just the same as everyone else is. I'm just highlighting on the idea that you may not have considered the issue from someone else's point of view. Again, I said "MAY NOT have considered"...I didn't say "HAVE NOT considered".
Please, all of you, continue. I had very spicy buffalo wings for dinner last night, and I feel a second trip to the porcelain throne approaching. I need more reading material!
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The only reason these well made clones are accepted here is because the authentic ones are priced way too high. I will always pay $22 for an atty instead of $180 for its authentic and have the exact same working atty. If you don't like it, too bad. It's none of your business what we do or how we spend our money.
I suppose those who buy other stolen goods say the same things...
Those who think crunchy threads are a sign of good machining just don't know the difference and never will...
You I have absolutely nothing to say to--EVER and I refuse to get into the cyclical side of this debate which is where it has gotten.
One saying his clone is equivalent to an authentic which we all know is not the case and others saying its wrong to even buy a clone to see if they want to buy the authentic. I am not going further down this road. I want access to the classies I have some provaris to sell.
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Until I hear that the materials in my clones are bad for me. I'll continue to use them.
And Please, No one wants to hear about your morning issues here. Please STOP bringing it up.
Honestly, I've only gotten two bad clones. I suspect many who feel they are horribly made have been vaping much longer than I have, and the quality over a year ago may have actually been very poor on many of them. I know a lot of them came with chrome plated brass instead of SS, had poor machining, etc. Not so much of a problem now. They've upped their game so people will buy them.
I do warn others if I see they are interested in either of those two I've gotten. One of them is downright dangerous due to conducting in places it shouldn't.
I've recently gotten a high end authentic that was a big dissappointment due to very poor machining. From now on, I won't be an early adopter of anything. I was so upset with that one, I almost put it on the classies without even trying it. But, even if I sell it, it would be wrong of me not to list the flaws. So I've decided to either just keep it, or at least keep it for awhile. That particular modder is unlikely to earn repeat business from me though. Have to admit, if it had been something cheap, I probably would have just said to myself, "Well, yikes, but if it works I guess that's all that matters.". But, it was $120 so I'm very unhappy.
I do warn others if I see they are interested in either of those two I've gotten. One of them is downright dangerous due to conducting in places it shouldn't.
I've recently gotten a high end authentic that was a big dissappointment due to very poor machining. From now on, I won't be an early adopter of anything. I was so upset with that one, I almost put it on the classies without even trying it. But, even if I sell it, it would be wrong of me not to list the flaws. So I've decided to either just keep it, or at least keep it for awhile. That particular modder is unlikely to earn repeat business from me though. Have to admit, if it had been something cheap, I probably would have just said to myself, "Well, yikes, but if it works I guess that's all that matters.". But, it was $120 so I'm very unhappy.
If they are cloned of an authentic ... corners have been cut, quality control is minimal and finally ... it is not possible for a clone to outlast an authentic under the same use.
All clones are made with sub par material ... your's included.
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No corners cut and 100% perfectly machined is what I'm using. Maybe you got some cheap ones in the past but the clones that are made today are perfect. And these will last as long as an authentic. Buy one and see for yourself.
When you guys stop bashing these clones, I'll stop commenting and making your toilet sessions more interesting.
Dude, I vaped for probably 7 or 8 months on only clones. I was an Unemployed college student on disability, going through a divorce and recovering from a life changing injury; It Doesn't get much poorer.
I bought one high end mod and researched clones until I settled on a couple of the higher quality.
I graduated and got back to work after 4.5 years of not being able to, and the first thing I bought myself was a new high end mod and new authentic erlkoengin.
Trust me, THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN BUILD QUALITY.
Since then I have stuck to test driving a clone and if I like it buying the authentic. Yes, the vape is different, yes the build quality is light years apart, yes you do get what you pay for.
You may not believe it; but, hey dude, if you like what you're using and you're not smoking, that's all that really matters. But; you have to at least be honest about it.
That's all I've been trying to say.
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I've wasted money on knockoff items before ... my experience has been very consistent across several industries ... you get what you pay for.
it's no different than a cheap hardware tool bought at a dollar store ... they will never outlast or outperform tools made with superior material or top notch quality control.
however, some folks will continue to buy those cheap sub par dollar store items ... and in their minds, the product is just as good or better.
I am not to judge ... for me, I buy quality second hand for the sole purpose of longevity ... others, just plain cannot see the difference.
I am honest about these. The ones I have are just as good as the authentic ones. What ones are you talking about? My Tobecco KF4's are perfectly machined and they work exactly the same as SM.
I agree with you about the tools. I used to be a mechanic and still have and use the same tools today. But with the clones that I use today, They are made exactly like the authentic ones. I know they will last as long as the authentic ones. I will most likely not use them too long because something else will come out and will continue on and on until whenever.
If you have not held one of these clones in your hands, you will not know what I'm talking about. Until then, you do not know.
I said a few pages back, a buddy of mine owns a shop, he wanted to stock clone kf4s (a certain retailer has the authentic market in the US at there mercy) so he gave 5 of us a different clone and told us they were authentic. We all had issues. I got the hotcig version, another guy got tobeco and you get the picture.
Compared to the authentic there is a rather significant difference. Granted they aren't my thing, but I could tell by looking at the threading and the deck. And some at the juice flow.
Point is either you are very lucky or just accustomed to certain things. Either way, if you like it great, that's your thing. But while to don't like people knocking clones, that's sort of a two way street.
Ricks ... I have a couple of KFL and Magma clones that are highly spoken of ... they are exactly comparable to the dollar store tool scenario I pointed out.
All of my used authentic Kayfuns are hands down better quality and will outlast the clones by many years of longevity.
Yes, I am positive about this and am willing to bet you the price of an authentic K4
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Do you own an auth V4, or is your opinion based "using a friend's", forum info you read, etc? I own both ricks, the auth is better in every way, a tangible diff you can see, feel, etc. They vape similar yes, but the auth is noticeably nicer in every way. Whether one sees the value in how much more its worth is totally subjective, but it is worth every cent to me.
If one doesn't own both, use both the same, build and vape them regular, I don't see how you could hold an intelligent conversation about them being excactly the same as an auth.
This entire debate and the politics behind it is beyond LOL.
Buy what you want to afford and be happy.
Buy what you want to afford and be happy.
Hope you enjoyed your vacation. It seems as if you can get overheated.
I have my opinion on mods and tanks, but you won't find me posting in any clone threads while clone owners find their way into authentic threads. The authentic Kayfun V4 thread is a prime example where clone buyers need to put their two cents in.
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