Clone Versus Authentic Discussion

[roxynoodle]

I'm glad one video has convinced you of that. I guess its empirical evidence.

I know on this forum, in all these discussions, the majority of us have said we don't. The members here are the only actual vapers I know so those are the only actual people I can ask.

 

[stevegmu]

I'm glad one video has convinced you of that. I guess its empirical evidence.

I know on this forum, in all these discussions, the majority of us have said we don't. The members here are the only actual vapers I know so those are the only actual people I can ask.

I tend not to believe people who don't understand how supporting theft is wrong...

 

[ricks]

No, actually, in this case, the sweat shop owner says the US vendors who put the orders in for the 'clones' want the logos, because their customers want them. The sweat shop shacks don't decide what to make- the US re-sellers do, and by proxy, their customers...

I don't go by some theory about Chinese people wanting brands, but actual evidence from the source- P. Busardo's China tour video... Americans want brands as much as anyone else...

Prove it. I don't believe that they want logos. You believe a Chinaman?

 

[roxynoodle]

Lol, this is never ending. Weren't you one of the people who said generic or rebranded items were ok? Apparently you changed your mind tonight. Fine, I'm still a thief even when I buy non logoed ones. You win! You get the Moral Vaper award! Pat yourself on the back

 

[roxynoodle]

Prove it. I don't believe that they want logos. You believe a Chinaman?

Yes, he does! They are thieves of the lowest order in one post, but honorable men now who would never lie to justify what they're making

 

[ricks]

I tend not to believe people who don't understand how supporting theft is wrong...

How do you know it's theft? Did SM tell you that?

 

[stevegmu]

Lol, this is never ending. Weren't you one of the people who said generic or rebranded items were ok? Apparently you changed your mind tonight. Fine, I'm still a thief even when I buy non logoed ones. You win! You get the Moral Vaper award! Pat yourself on the back

Logo less, brand less is better than the alternative, but it is still theft of design and name, as they are sold as so and so 'clones'. It is my opinion theft is one of the lowest forms of crimes, and those who support and drive the business are just as guilty...

 

[stevegmu]

How do you know it's theft? Did SM tell you that?

No, common sense...

 

[roxynoodle]

Goodnight, folks. He's resorted to personal attacks on my character, so now I'm leaving the pre-puberty arguments.

 

[ErnieKim]

No, actually, in this case, the sweat shop owner says the US vendors who put the orders in for the 'clones' want the logos, because their customers want them. The sweat shop shacks don't decide what to make- the US re-sellers do, and by proxy, their customers...

I don't go by some theory about Chinese people wanting brands, but actual evidence from the source- P. Busardo's China tour video... Americans want brands as much as anyone else...

The gospel; according to you and P Busardo; the two of you know what Americans want and think. good grief! You really do need to get a life.

 

[roxynoodle]

Logo less, brand less is better than the alternative, but it is still theft of design and name, as they are sold as so and so 'clones'. It is my opinion theft is one of the lowest forms of crimes, and those who support and drive the business are just as guilty...

But, then...you can't buy generic or rebranded groceries, medications, paper products, etc. If you don't or never have, then I'll listen to you.

 

[Froth]

How do you know it's theft? Did SM tell you that?

I was going to hit on that one a little bit, I haven't read through all 50 pages, I skimmed a lot since this isn't the first or last clone v authentic thread... Had a question though, mostly for someone who wouldn't buy a clone. So, people who wouldn't buy clones...What are your thoughts on "double dipping" by the authentic manufacturer? What I mean by that for those not accustomed to the concept, the authentic mod maker sells ~250 authentic mods and then once those are done and profit has been made over the initial investment, that maker turns the machining specifications over to China and takes a percentage cut off the clone sales as well. It's been done before and will likely be done again, thoughts?

 

[stevegmu]

But, then...you can't buy generic or rebranded groceries, medications, paper products, etc. If you don't or never have, then I'll listen to you.

No, I don't buy counterfeit products, but I understand some don't know the difference and never will, between a generic and flat out copy and theft of design and name...

 

[ErnieKim]

Logo less, brand less is better than the alternative, but it is still theft of design and name, as they are sold as so and so 'clones'. It is my opinion theft is one of the lowest forms of crimes, and those who support and drive the business are just as guilty...

No, the lowest form of crime is people who denigrate other people to make themselves feel better. You should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[stevegmu]

No, the lowest form of crime is people who denigrate other people to make themselves feel better. You should be ashamed of yourself.

I don't engage in such criminal activity, so don't need to make myself feel better about it. I was impressed when a few admitted they are thieves and pirates, rather than just make excuses...

 

[ErnieKim]

I don't engage in such criminal activity, so don't need to make myself feel better about it. I was impressed when a few admitted they are thieves and pirates, rather than just make excuses...

No, that was people being "Facetious", obviously went right over your head, as intended. Who's the fool?

 

[ErnieKim]

I don't engage in such criminal activity, so don't need to make myself feel better about it. I was impressed when a few admitted they are thieves and pirates, rather than just make excuses...

Your posts are hopeless, you continuously contradict yourself, make hypocritical statements and are cruel to people.
I'm not going to waste any more of my time on your posts.

 

[Sirius]

When have you bought a mod that contained any instructions at all about safe battery use, what batteries to use or how to charge them safely? Most of the user errors occur when buying cheap batteries from ebay and amazon and using cheap chargers. Oh wait I do know of one company that gives the buyer all the information.

You mistakenly think that ProVape is the only vendor to do so,..and that's just not the case..REO's Mod's,.. Peter Dibi,..and Sigelei do as well..Those first two vendors will except a broken mod and fixes it fr you..Does upgrades as well..I'm not knocking ProVape..but I've never heard you could send your V2 in and have it upgraded to a V3, or did I miss something?!?

 

[nevillebartos]

I really don't understand the price angle. They want something they can't afford, so buy a fake of it. I really can't afford an Audi R8, so bought a different model, not a stolen R8 or replica. There are other options, but I guess some can't stay off cigarettes if they don't have copies of the latest and greatest mods and attys they can't afford...

I think the best way to explain the price angle is that you can get something which is 90% as good for 10% of the price. Plenty of things are like that and it's understandable. If I had only 30 bucks to spend on an atty and the clones were better than authentics at that price point I'd be considering it for sure.

What I would like to see is a market where lower priced authentics out performed clones, like we see in many other markets - lower priced spin off brands, lite version etc.. Hell of a lot better way to capture revenue than sniffling in a corner calling people thieves and pirates, hasn't worked for the movie industry and it won't work here, if somethings easy to copy either find a way to beat them or find another business.

 

[WillyZee]

I was going to hit on that one a little bit, I haven't read through all 50 pages, I skimmed a lot since this isn't the first or last clone v authentic thread... Had a question though, mostly for someone who wouldn't buy a clone. So, people who wouldn't buy clones...What are your thoughts on "double dipping" by the authentic manufacturer? What I mean by that for those not accustomed to the concept, the authentic mod maker sells ~250 authentic mods and then once those are done and profit has been made over the initial investment, that maker turns the machining specifications over to China and takes a percentage cut off the clone sales as well. It's been done before and will likely be done again, thoughts?

Which authentic mod makers have done this?
Do you have a list so I can avoid these mods.



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