Clones Clones Clones...tired of it

[Racehorse]

fasttech should be your last option.

I myself have never ordered from fasttech but I have a stable of vendors I trust and who take care of me if something goes wrong, so I never had any incentive to shop there to save a few bucks.

I just care about the people behind authentic products, even if it's Chinese authentic.

Vape on

If a product is good then the people behind authentic products really don't suffer. I know the REO has been cloned, its not as good, but it may introduce people to bottom feeding, and/or may influence them to step up to the "real thing" and purchase a real and better REO.

Who knows. I see so many posts about people buying things, I hope everyone here REALISES that there are now, and have been, many many vapers who have walked the halls of this forum who were barely able to afford vaping, eliquids, etc. because of job loss, medical bills, family emergencies, etc.

They NEED fasttech and they NEED clones. (they also need fellow vapers to put stuff in treasure chest for free that they aren't using so that somebody who really needs something can get it.)

I don't use "kleenex" but I buy walmart tissues, so I guess i'm guilty of something too.

 

[Racehorse]

Personally I'm happy with things as they are no more Facebook limited runs and company's watching us screw each other over to try and get what we want as they limit production to inflate the price.

I hadn't thought of that but I'm sure it is true in some cases.


Look, this stuff isn't really like classic cars or something. Most of the stuff that people were climbing over each other to get in 2012 when I started vaping, if it appears in the ECF classifieds now for 1/3 of the price, it often just ......sits there. (one reason I don't stockpile anything that is not utterly *basic* needs).

I mean, there are a handful of vaping articles that hold their value, but most of it just.........doesn't.

If you are a collector and it brings you joy, that is another thing entirely. But I remember stuff that would last less than 6 minutes in the classifieds, now it might be more like 6 days......or never.

 

[Bunnykiller]

I would buy originals... if they made enuf of them and made them affordable...

 

[Vesta Krohn]

Banned all Clone Companies.

 

[Bunnykiller]

Who determined that the original was overpriced? WE did.
One company spends the time, effort and money to develop a product, puts it on the market at a cost that will recoup their investment and be profitable. Five companies copy the product and sell at much lower cost without all the front-end expense. Originating company loses sales to the copiers.
Where's the incentive then to innovate and make better products? Not with the cloners.
Cloning of products is not going to disappear. Just a fact of economics and business strategy and ethics. But we have to be accountable for our part in it as consumers.

name 2 original makers who have the capacity to manufacture the quantities to meet the demands... at an affordable price...

lets mention numbers... company makes 1000 units at 100$ each, or they can outsource, make 100,000 units at 10$ each.... seems option B is going to produce more income.....

 

[beckdg]

Clone.
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Not clone.

Abomination.

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

That`s my plan. Life is way too complicated in the deep end, much more carefree in the shallow end. :?)

I try to stay out of the gene pool myself.

It gets a little sticky in there at my age.

Tapatyped

 

[smokinGAVIN]

name 2 original makers who have the capacity to manufacture the quantities to meet the demands... at an affordable price...

lets mention numbers... company makes 1000 units at 100$ each, or they can outsource, make 100,000 units at 10$ each.... seems option B is going to produce more income.....

The question is where will they have it outsourced? If it's done in china it will be easier for them to clone it since the manufacturing company will be given full specs. No need to reverse engineer it. They may even quietly clone it themselves.

Maybe I'm wrong but I have yet to see a 10$ authentic.

The Clone makers don't care if the device is cheap or expensive, they will clone anything that is selling. They even clone cheap authentics from China. The Chinese manufacturers have the capacity to mass produce and sell a good product at a good price and they get cloned nonetheless. The only way they can probably do it is skimp on the quality of materials or skimp on labor costs which if you talk China, you're talking poverty level wages.

 

[440BB]

Looking back, hitting F5 repeatedly in the middle of the night to get a precious device seems kind of silly. I did it and it was fun and exciting, but not really relevant to 99.9% of people who took up vaping to stop smoking.

When it comes to cloning, I think the issue has become less important at this point in the vaping market. Most of the makers of machined metal devices have either adapted or fell off, leaving a select few to satisfy the demand for expensive, seemingly exclusive mechanical mods. Now that many vapers are moving to electronic devices, chinese manufacturers have the skills to constantly churn out inexpensive variations that are derivative, but not really copies.

Ironically, sub ohm vaping on mechanicals led to the need for safer regulated high wattage boxes, making cloning unnecessary for many chinese manufacturers. Temperature management hitting the market benefited chinese manufacturers most. They will win pretty much all the time when it comes to inexpensive electronic devices.

Those who put quality and service first will survive the onslaught of inexpensive, throw away devices. The rest will have a small collector market to serve.

 

[Completely Average]

I find it funny that many of the clone makers are now producing their own authentic products which are in many cases superior to the old devices that they cloned. For example, EhPro's Bachelor RTA is one of the easiest to build on RTAs out there and produces great flavor, at a price that is a fraction of many not quite as good "authentic" RTAs from other companies. Hcigar has one of the cheapest real DNA 200 devices out there.

Maybe I'm wrong but I have yet to see a 10$ authentic.

Not quite $10, but less than $20.

Ehpro bachelor tank - $19.99


Or an authentic mech mod for $22.

HCigar The Warriors

And both are quality devices as well.

 

[MMW]

The UD IGO- series RDA are pretty inexpensive and work well.

 

[Flt Simulation]

Notice how the OP never came back to this thread he started ... not a word after making his initial post.

 

[mudmanc4]

there's rumor that some "clone"s come out from same factory of originals..

'Shift changes'. During the day one company runs the machines, at night, another company leases the space and machinery. Standard practice.

 

[smokinGAVIN]

I find it funny that many of the clone makers are now producing their own authentic products which are in many cases superior to the old devices that they cloned. For example, EhPro's Bachelor RTA is one of the easiest to build on RTAs out there and produces great flavor, at a price that is a fraction of many not quite as good "authentic" RTAs from other companies. Hcigar has one of the cheapest real DNA 200 devices out there.




Not quite $10, but less than $20.

Ehpro bachelor tank - $19.99


Or an authentic mech mod for $22.

HCigar The Warriors

And both are quality devices as well.

I agree with you. They are finally innovating and not making money from the R&D of someone else. I love my Crius and it is probably the cheapest one I own.

The metal tube argument is one that I don't really participate in. I stated in other threads, there was more to cloning then just the tube mods. There were RDAs and Kayfuns and Reos. After all the tube mech mod will always be just a metal tube. It may be art to some people but in the end, it still is a metal tube.

The new Subtanks and RTAs that are worth my while is made in China at affordable price points. The thing is, even those get cloned.

Vapers wanted cheap, China gave us cheap. If we demand cheaper than china cheap, the sacrifice might be subpar materials, slave labor or worst than that, they might sacrifice their R&D budget. Sacrificing R&D budget means less innovation.

 

[Bad Ninja]

I agree with you. They are finally innovating and not making money from the R&D of someone else. I love my Crius and it is probably the cheapest one I own.

The metal tube argument is one that I don't really participate in. I stated in other threads, there was more to cloning then just the tube mods. There were RDAs and Kayfuns and Reos. After all the tube mech mod will always be just a metal tube. It may be art to some people but in the end, it still is a metal tube.

The new Subtanks and RTAs that are worth my while is made in China at affordable price points. The thing is, even those get cloned.

Vapers wanted cheap, China gave us cheap. If we demand cheaper than china cheap, the sacrifice might be subpar materials, slave labor or worst than that, they might sacrifice their R&D budget. Sacrificing R&D budget means less innovation.

R&D?
On a flashlight?

On their logo?
Sub par materials?

Uhm... No.

As a former manufacturer of automotive suspension parts I call BS on that.
You are guessing and using false logic.

I have over 80 mechanicals and probably 20 lbs of atomizers.
Both authentic and clones.
Times have changed.
Clones are now, in many instances, better than the originals.
Made in a bigger better factory in better equipment.

If you collect, by all means buy authentic.
But if you think this makes you morally better, you don't understand business.


And stop with the "slave labor" racism propaganda.
Unless you have actual proof, it's a pretty nasty thing to say.

 

[EddieAdams]

Yes, and I'm going to shove my face in and smell it before I eat it.

Umm...

Ohhhh...the popcorn...
got it now....

 

[sonicbomb]

Not a big fan of popcorn so will munch a good bacon sarnie as this goes on

Streaky or back, white or brown bread, toasted or not, ketchup or brown sauce?

 

[roxynoodle]

Not $10...$11.60 and authentic.

$11.60 Authentic Wotofo The Troll RDA Rebuildable Dripping Atomizer - stainless steel / 22mm diameter at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

 

[EddieAdams]

China just called. They're ceasing all clone production as of 10 hours ago citing gordong11's rant as reason...

 

[Tol]

I am taking pre-orders for roxynoodle styled popcorn (now with optional kettle corn flavoring)