Clones... Why?
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This. I've heard the argument how the original maker suffers and loses out from their design work but it seems they have sold their lot and have their money. The ones who MAY suffer are the ones who buy and try to flip the real deal who may not be able to sell their mods for as much of a profit as they expected. I can't say for sure but I was willing to pay more than retail for a Hana mod but with the availability BS going on I am very happy to see China filling that gap.
I would have to generally agree with this. Most OG modders do not have enough capacity to satisfy the market. I rarely can consistently find the original of a popular clone available. I would also add that sometimes the clones offer options that the OG's don't. For instance I am looking at the Tobh clone. The OG is a nice stainless steel; however the clone of it offers a copper top cap that the OG doesn't offer. Because of that at some point I will most likely own both, but will most likely get the clone first since I am looking at getting a copper mech mod.
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The switcheroo has already begun now that clones are popular since 2013 to present. Stay away from places like VapeRev if you want originals. They get away alot with false info & scamming newcomers They're on the decline from bad practices & slandering other companies. Their in store customer service has become snobby as well. Two ppl tht ordered from them recieved a tobeco/ehpro clone.
The one guy at my local b&m swears by his tobeco hades clone. But I agree, hcigar is the way to go as far as clones go.
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Tobeco, in my experience, tends to make better atomizers than mods. The tobeco Origen dripper I have is bang on. But my tobeco hammer needed a modification. Although this may not be the case always.
Hcigar on the other hand, makes an amazing nemesis and the AIOS and 3d I have by hcigar are very well made. But you never know, they could quite possibly have some serious failures.
Ehpro tends to be another good cloning company.
It's a toss-up. I think each mod and atomizer must be taken on a case by case basis and sweeping generalizations might not apply.
I havent owned a tobeco brand clone yet but I have an Smoktech Natural and an ISK (never heard of it before) Maraxus and ISK Kayfun clone and they are insanely well built. If the Original Maraxus is any better than the ISK clone I got I cant imagine where the improvements would be.
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A clone is identical to the original and significantly cheapet... I just bought a hades for 30$... Thr original is 220$... But if you got the spare cash for originals buy them... But dont expect anyone else to do it
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you should look on my desk..several atomizers over $100 each....we won't even add up the mods...
look at the Talon by Versa for a classy copper mod. comes as a fingerprint magnet ,but i put a nice brushed finish on mine and absolutely love it with a tiger bronze atty.
I own multiple clones and always think about buying an original and coveting it but I can never pull the trigger. Knowing that I could have 5 clones for the price of one original I just can't do it.
Many people don't have the disposable income to buy only authentic mods. Many people like to buy the clone to see if they'd like it before buying an authentic. They're a fraction of the cost and there's a high demand. My personal favorite: a good clone can be as good as an authentic. A bad original can be as bad as a clone. My $25 M-16 Sentinel clone has outperformed authentic mods and that's all the proof I need. I have 1 authentic I bought for myself as a bday present a while back but I have roughly 10 clones.
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Lots of gray areas...
Not all clones are poorly done crappy products.
Not all $200 originals are well thought up great products designed by brilliant, experienced designers and crafted by the CNC shop equivalent of a zen master.
Not all clones are poorly done crappy products.
Not all $200 originals are well thought up great products designed by brilliant, experienced designers and crafted by the CNC shop equivalent of a zen master.
I don't get it. Does the word clone just sound better than counterfeit, or is it from the new generation of a Star Wars fans? I collect watches and have never heard of counterfeits being sold as or referred to as clones...
IMO a clone have no markings/brand names but is built like the original. A counterfeit carries the markings/brand name. So you are right. I have no concerns buying a clone, but a counterfeit is just embarrassing...
Infinite is an up and coming clone manufacturer. There Stingray clone is spot on and their 3D Dripper is great as well. I will be looking out for more of their releases.
My experience with the $30 infinite version of turtle ship v2 will have me looking at them as the best right now..plus, what I've read on the other infinite clones.
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Yes! Regardless of quality (I could care less if a counterfeit product works almost as good, or in some cases, as good as the original), I don't understand how one could get any enjoyment of owning a clone. It's like owning a fake Rolex (on a smaller scale) - doubtful with a good copy you would be able to tell the difference, but's still a Folex
I can live with a design being imitated much moreso than logos being copied and product names being used. It'd be nice to see something original come out of China for once...as it is, the Shenzhen companies are a cancer.
GkmF22 will set you back a buck thirty and that's just a genny, a real mechanical mod to set it on will run from up to a few grand to as little as a couple hunnit and change.
If your looking to burn a hole in your pocket a nice kit will do it in a flash.
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Same metal
Same equipment
Same amount of work
The labor and quality control is the difference, but at 10 times the price.
Makes ya wonder who is ripping off who.
Originals are not 10 times better.
And stop with the Rolex analogy, it's very incorrect.
Own a Rolex and you'll see. They are ....e, and need a yearly $200+ service just to maintain warranty.
And they will not stay accurate for over 6 months.
Ask any Rolex collector, they are not bought bcause they are great performing watches. They are jewelry with a heritage.
When buying a mod keep in mind, buying an original over a clone will not guarantee you bought the better performer.
Original mod makers set themselves up to be cloned and copied.
The price gap shows these mods can be made and sold for a fraction of their MSRP.
Buy what you like but have realistic expectation of what you buy.
Your 230$ original king will not out perform my $23 brass king clone.
Same equipment
Same amount of work
The labor and quality control is the difference, but at 10 times the price.
Makes ya wonder who is ripping off who.
Originals are not 10 times better.
And stop with the Rolex analogy, it's very incorrect.
Own a Rolex and you'll see. They are ....e, and need a yearly $200+ service just to maintain warranty.
And they will not stay accurate for over 6 months.
Ask any Rolex collector, they are not bought bcause they are great performing watches. They are jewelry with a heritage.
When buying a mod keep in mind, buying an original over a clone will not guarantee you bought the better performer.
Original mod makers set themselves up to be cloned and copied.
The price gap shows these mods can be made and sold for a fraction of their MSRP.
Buy what you like but have realistic expectation of what you buy.
Your 230$ original king will not out perform my $23 brass king clone.
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