Sorry, but just because it is in a wiki doesn't make it true!
Why Do People Knowingly Buy Clones?
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Sorry, but just because it is in a wiki doesn't make it true!
Oddly this morning I receive a Press Release from them: Press Release - New Models : Cold Steel | Anytime | Anywhere
Perhaps their lower end and "gimmick" stuff is made in China, but their quality (read bread and butter) knives are not made there.
I guess you are not familiar with Wikipedia. It is a highly reliable online encyclopedia with submissions that go through a process of peer review and then assessed by experts in the field. Submissions require references and must be nominated by subject-matter experts for publication. Inaccurate information is quickly suppressed. Although there may be an error somewhere, it is no more common that you would find an error in a publication like the Encyclopedia Britannica.
In my case it was a mix of being poor, as in unemployed, disabled,having to go back to school and I had know clue what I liked. I saved for and stockpiles liquid for a few months to get the money together for a good high end mod, then to spend the same amount on an RBA that was an experiment was unthinkable.
Also after that mod, I came to realize I sill did not know what 'style' of vaping suited me. I knew smoking was out of the question, but did I want to drip or use a tank, high power or low power, was the mod enough? I did not know any of it. So. I bought 2 clone attys a month until I figured it out. Its also an issue of availability and overhead cost. I love my erlkonigin, authentic. When they were first released they were only available in Europe and on top of 180.00 it was 40$ shipping, them the poem draw center post, stainless drip tip..... all in it was going to be 260$. When the kf4 first released I was a like standing in line at Disney, same for my aqua v2, Busardo had issues finding an authentic orchid. We can't simple say its because people are cheap, or poor. And the erlkonigin and kf4 havbebecime more available, but if there is a demand and no supply, someone is going to create the supply.
Now we are a week away from a full year of vaping, working again, and I know what I like. Also the prices of good drippers has dropped and the availability is in place, no more clones. Some RTAs are getting there also... but if someone does not know what they like. 25-30$ for a GOOD clone that's a click away or 160$ for an authentic RTA that's hard to find in stock anywhere. I mean we can't exactly say that Its solely because people are cheap,
Also after that mod, I came to realize I sill did not know what 'style' of vaping suited me. I knew smoking was out of the question, but did I want to drip or use a tank, high power or low power, was the mod enough? I did not know any of it. So. I bought 2 clone attys a month until I figured it out. Its also an issue of availability and overhead cost. I love my erlkonigin, authentic. When they were first released they were only available in Europe and on top of 180.00 it was 40$ shipping, them the poem draw center post, stainless drip tip..... all in it was going to be 260$. When the kf4 first released I was a like standing in line at Disney, same for my aqua v2, Busardo had issues finding an authentic orchid. We can't simple say its because people are cheap, or poor. And the erlkonigin and kf4 havbebecime more available, but if there is a demand and no supply, someone is going to create the supply.
Now we are a week away from a full year of vaping, working again, and I know what I like. Also the prices of good drippers has dropped and the availability is in place, no more clones. Some RTAs are getting there also... but if someone does not know what they like. 25-30$ for a GOOD clone that's a click away or 160$ for an authentic RTA that's hard to find in stock anywhere. I mean we can't exactly say that Its solely because people are cheap,
Not all wiki editors are truly "subject matter experts". I am familiar with their vetting process and know someone who is a SME on technology and he's a twit, but he's been doing it for years!
Really? Just stop.
You can search the facts yourself. It's common knowledge.
The Laredo Bowie in SK5 is a $175, 13 inch outdoor blade.
It's one of their their flagship models. All their SK5 blades are made in China. That's where SK5 steel comes from.
It's not a bad thing. Other models are made in Taiwan, and a few in Japan.
(FYI, Taiwan made knives are incredible nice.)
You guys with hate for China are either seriously uninformed or just being racist.
I don't have any opinion one way or another about Chinese people; I don't know any. It is their government, manufacturing and business practices which I will not support...
Support and reward? For what?
...?
I don't work all week to reward companies.
You don't get rewarded for doing the right thing. You are SUPPOSED to do the right thing.
You get rewarded for going above and beyond.
Entitled youth.
Give me a break.
I also said I WAS LEARNING and trying to figure out what I liked.
amd whenever I came to ecf for help I got posts as helpful as yours, the only b&m in my area was also unhelpful.
We all do things differently, apparently i'm stupid, thank you for that.
I'll be sure to run future purchases by for your approval, I ordered a freak show mini this morning, I already have two of the existing model. One with a nickel build on with Kanthal depending on my mood, but I wanted the lower height for my VSDNA, I'm sure that's silly too. But may I have your approval for the where and how I spend my money?
How cool would it be if there were a place online where people helped each other out rather than mocked them for decisions they make?
Furthermore, while a different build can be employed tl achieve a different vape the atomized itself does in fact play a role. if one atomizer could be built in certain ways to perform like all other atomizers, there would be less variety in the marketplace. And there would be no reason for a 'MAKO' and a 'MAKO WAR'
Like tanks. A kayfun and aqua 2 are drastically different animals. Personally I prefer the aqua, but I needed both to decide and no one here sells either..... {MODERATED}
Apparently I'm still silly
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I think it's human nature and maybe even common sense to look for a bargain. Some believe that there is nothing wrong with finding that bargain in clones and some believe otherwise. You can change how you think about it but you can't change how others think about it. I know I won't change because of a forum debate, specially on a thread like this that seems to keep going around in circles. I have decided to respect all views whether I agree with it or not and not let it affect my views. A healthy debate is good for the brain but I don't think it is doing the community any good at this point. Let's just agree that we disagree. We can get along even if we disagree on something. Vape on.
Well put!
I still wish I could come to ecf, just once and get help, state my own experience and opinion and move on without someone telling me I'm silly or an idiot.
You don't think when you spend that hard earned cash on an atty that you are rewarding a company for manufacturing a well-made or otherwise attractive product?
What I am saying is: with respect to attys before any of us ventures off into clone land; we should buy (and therefore reward) from those companies making reasonably priced and quality products first!
OK some of you need to take a step back and take a breath before posting again in here. There is no need to attack the poster, ie: berate people for personal choices / actions. That needs to stop, as it is against forum rules.
It is also against forum rules to attack back if attacked. Either ignore, try to resolve in PM's, or report the post if it breaks forum rules.
This pettiness needs to stop now please.
Thank you
It is also against forum rules to attack back if attacked. Either ignore, try to resolve in PM's, or report the post if it breaks forum rules.
This pettiness needs to stop now please.
Thank you
Its a discussion.
We r under the impression that forums are called "discussion forums" for that reason.
No one is attacking anyone.
No one is complaining. All ECF rules are being followed.
If don't like the subject matter, just say so.
But don't turn this into a TOU argument, as it is clearly not one.
This is where you are wrong, wrong, wrong.
We have had multiple reports from this thread creating extra work for staff.
Your post in itself is a violation of the rules - Discussion moderation in the open forum
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