Clones... Why?

[principle]

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Just realised I was arguing on the internet LOL

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Anyhow back OT people buy clones because.

A: they are cheaper
B: the originals are never in stock
C: the mod they want is no longer made

Set morality aside and the above pretty much sums it up.

Dave

 

[Chelonian]

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Just realised I was arguing on the internet LOL

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Anyhow back OT people buy clones because.

A: they are cheaper
B: the originals are never in stock
C: the mod they want is no longer made

Set morality aside and the above pretty much sums it up.

Dave

Yeah arguing in IRL is pretty useless, much less over the internet. Good on you for keeping it reasonable.

Maurice, the moral stance is the one I have been pointing out, as well as the money. However, no matter how right you are, the method of delivery matters as much as being right.

Principle:

Putting morals aside is a toughie....the only reason I could see for cloning is the last one.

 

[Dusif]

When you don't have enough money for essentials, vaping, smoking, drinking, etc. just isn't an option is it?

There is never a good reason to support theft, I don't care how broke you are. Some things are just wrong.

Seriously if your running such a tight budget luxury stuff like vaping needs to step aside a while while you get the rest of your life in order.

Maurice

The world would be such a beautiful place if we all had your high moral...

Remember that moral if one day you end up homeless and without money... Dont steal a loaf of bread... And if someone offers you a knockoff whiskey for 1$... Dont buy it eventho you actually just found 1$ in the gutter...


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[Maurice Pudlo]

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Just realised I was arguing on the internet LOL

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Anyhow back OT people buy clones because.

A: they are cheaper
B: the originals are never in stock
C: the mod they want is no longer made

Set morality aside and the above pretty much sums it up.

Dave

A. They are cheaper than what? To whom are they cheaper? Let me answer for you; they aren't actually cheaper, when you buy a clone that is a sale of an original that will not be made, it is equal to stealing the sale from the mod designer plus you pay for the fake. The sale is not something you can pick up and run away with so it doesn't seem like your stealing but you are.

B. Never is a strong word, how about clone buyers are not diligent enough to wait for something to be in stock. It's odd to me that people simply can't wait for something they want. If they don't get it right away they storm off in a big fit. Maybe you'll recognise that if you really wanted something you would wait for it. Instant gratification is an issue here, good things come to those who wait.

C. Lots of things are no longer made, I'd love to buy a new 94 Honda civic VX (federal version), unfortunately they just aren't making those in 2014, so I'm looking for a used one. Have you ever seen a clone car, a Lamborghini maybe, you know it isn't real, and its kinda sad.


If your going to set morality aside why not just toss it to the wind and steal a real one? At least then you become aware of exactly what you are doing. Its tangible, it will impart a bit of understanding of theft. Intellectual property theft is not victimless, you just get to be at a comfortable distance so its easy to justify. Would you steal enough money to buy a real device?

Maurice

 

[roflwaffles]

A. They are cheaper than what? To whom are they cheaper? Let me answer for you; they aren't actually cheaper, when you buy a clone that is a sale of an original that will not be made, it is equal to stealing the sale from the mod designer plus you pay for the fake. The sale is not something you can pick up and run away with so it doesn't seem like your stealing but you are.

B. Never is a strong word, how about clone buyers are not diligent enough to wait for something to be in stock. It's odd to me that people simply can't wait for something they want. If they don't get it right away they storm off in a big fit. Maybe you'll recognise that if you really wanted something you would wait for it. Instant gratification is an issue here, good things come to those who wait.

C. Lots of things are no longer made, I'd love to buy a new 94 Honda civic VX (federal version), unfortunately they just aren't making those in 2014, so I'm looking for a used one. Have you ever seen a clone car, a Lamborghini maybe, you know it isn't real, and its kinda sad.


If your going to set morality aside why not just toss it to the wind and steal a real one? At least then you become aware of exactly what you are doing. Its tangible, it will impart a bit of understanding of theft. Intellectual property theft is not victimless, you just get to be at a comfortable distance so its easy to justify. Would you steal enough money to buy a real device?

Maurice

A. They're cheaper for me, because I would never buy an authentic anyways unless it was to support a friend who made the mod.

B. This is just silly. I'm not gonna appreciate a mod more because I had to wait 8 months to get it.

C. Buying a used authentic that's no longer being run isn't supporting the manufacturer, its supporting the dude on eBay who's flipping the device for double its original market value.

 

[principle]

If your going to set morality aside why not just toss it to the wind and steal a real one? At least then you become aware of exactly what you are doing. Its tangible, it will impart a bit of understanding of theft. Intellectual property theft is not victimless, you just get to be at a comfortable distance so its easy to justify. Would you steal enough money to buy a real device?

Maurice

What a great idea, next time i see someone with a real mod I'll simply hit them on the head and take theirs, never occurred to me before thanks. I know a lot about theft I used to work for a bank

I also see my own IP plastered all over the web all the time, does not bother me but that's a whole different discussion

Cheers
Dave

 

[principle]

Principle:

Putting morals aside is a toughie....the only reason I could see for cloning is the last one.

I never put my own morals aside, I simply recognise that not everyone subscribes to my moral belief system, some of mine are a bit kinked lol I try though not to judge other people based upon a set of moral principles i adair to. Each to there own.

BTW I just put my name down for a Super T Precise ELA I had not seen that one before, i looked it up after your post. No idea when they will be back in stock. If the missus asks i'm blaming you, just so you know

Dave

 

[bsoplinger]

A. They're cheaper for me, because I would never buy an authentic anyways unless it was to support a friend who made the mod.

This is the grist of it all. No way am I going to pay $200 for a tube, switch and 510 connector. Never. Not possible. So there is no loss of sales. No missing profits. No out of work mod builders being forced to the bread line begging for crumbs.

So if clones didn't exist some Chinese company that makes nice flashlight tubes and 510 connectors would be getting my $20 to $40 instead of some Chinese clone maker. I don't see much of a difference here, sorry.

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[Chelonian]

Dave

We got a deal. I pre ordered the Strata

I am even practicing :

" But honey, Dave said....."


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[crxess]

Unstoppable force meets unmovable object

Waste of time and space

 

[Chelonian]

Dave

We got a deal. I pre ordered the Strata

I am even practicing :

" But honey, Dave said....."

Edit

A better one :

"Dave was doing it!"

I like this


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[icemanistheking]

Why buy a Toyota?
Because I can't afford a Lexus.

EXACTLY. You buy a cheaper car because that's what you can afford, not a fake Lexus. So buy a Smoktech Magneto or one of Youde's original models rather than a Nemesis or Chi clone.

 

[ADLinATL]

The best stuff doesn't seem to be cloned. Where are the XXIX or Ramble clones? I have nothing against clones. I have a nemesis and caravela clone from fasttech and use them regularly but they are inferior to my high ends. Maybe the clones are like the originals and if so the originals are over-hyped. The switch on my Caravela is stuck and my Nemesis clone switch is a pain and a bad design. Maybe these are different from the originals. Most people jump on the bandwagon for certain items like nemesis, paps, caravela, thus opening the market for cheaper alternatives. On the flip side what makes stuff made in the Philippines better than the clone in China? The Philippines are not known as a high end manufacturing country.

 

[roflwaffles]

EXACTLY. You buy a cheaper car because that's what you can afford, not a fake Lexus. So buy a Smoktech Magneto or one of Youde's original models rather than a Nemesis or Chi clone.

People pay for cheaper, lower end, lower performance products when they cannot afford higher end ones. "Clones" in a lot of other industries suck because they won't perform as well, will have noticeable quality differences, or won't have post-purchase support.

When it comes to mech mods, this isn't the case. My Stingray and Panzer clones perform just as well as the originals and are just as pretty. From a consumer standpoint, it is foolish to purchase a lower quality product at the same price point that you can purchase one of higher quality.

 

[roflwaffles]

The best stuff doesn't seem to be cloned. Where are the XXIX or Ramble clones? I have nothing against clones. I have a nemesis and caravela clone from fasttech and use them regularly but they are inferior to my high ends. Maybe the clones are like the originals and if so the originals are over-hyped. The switch on my Caravela is stuck and my Nemesis clone switch is a pain and a bad design. Maybe these are different from the originals. Most people jump on the bandwagon for certain items like nemesis, paps, caravela, thus opening the market for cheaper alternatives. On the flip side what makes stuff made in the Philippines better than the clone in China? The Philippines are not known as a high end manufacturing country.

Might be too new or the demand isn't apparent yet for a clone company to considering investing the resources into cloning it. Most of the big internet hype mods have been cloned.

 

[Gibbz]

EXACTLY. You buy a cheaper car because that's what you can afford, not a fake Lexus.

If they made a fake Lexus, I would def buy one, especially if it was 1/10 the price of the original

 

[Chelonian]

And they don't make fake Lexuses.......enough money is involved to make the lawsuit worth it.
Seeing as its wrong to counterfeit the products of others and all....

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[TheBeardedMann]

A Lexus ISF 1:1 clone that looks and performs like the original for only $7,000...yes please.

 

[catilley1092]

I'm using an Astro clone that cost $24, my distributor told me that it was much cheaper than the real deal (made in China instead of the US). It is easily serviceable & parts are plentiful. He uses one himself, the real one, allowed me to place my tank & battery onto his, I could tell no difference in the vape.

I suppose there are some differences in quality of cloned devices though, as not everything can be a 100% copy. And as other posters has noted, cloned devices may be better than the real brand, as these companies can accept input & fix minor details.

But how do they get away with it? In many industries, this would be copyright infringement that carries stiff penalties/fines. For example, the Apple/Samsung saga.

The one thing that I can tell differences in, is the heater coils, even from the same 5 count blister pack, there is much variation. So today, I ordered a genuine pack of Kanger coils to see if quality control is better.

Cat

 

[MrKiltYou]

But how do they get away with it? In many industries, this would be copyright infringement that carries stiff penalties/fines. For example, the Apple/Samsung saga.

Cat

That is because I would guess that most hobby mod makers don't have the money or political pull that companies like Apple and Samsung have. Someone earlier commented about counterfeit fashion wear like LV, Rolex, and etc. If you think about it; while you can find those items you don't see them mass advertised on where to get them because if they did the OEM manufactures would sue them in a split second.