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[SouthernBliss]

Yes, we have Canadian customers. So far, I haven't heard of any problems.

Groovy!

I'm presently experimenting with snuff and snus in hopes that this will break completely break me away from analogs.

I don't think I could ever do snuff (my grandmother dipped and being from Ga. it goes without saying that at some point I dated someone who dipped skoal and had to clean up after him so I have "issues") but I did brave snus. The camel we get here is alright though some of it makes me feel sick to my stomach. I did notice that one of the local convenience stores has started selling General which is said to be far superior. But at 9 bucks a tin I'm not sure I want to find out if it is or not. I'm positive that WTA is a more enjoyable experience than the camel and a much cheaper one than the general would be. I'm glad your getting some mileage out of it though.

 

[DoloresB]

Unfortunately I can't do snuff either. I've used all but once, and I think I finally have my nose back.

As for snus, there are a couple of brave souls on this forum that have done an extraction from it. I have a tin of General Titanium Wintergreen, and I'm going to try an extraction. Now I've just got to remember where on this forum I found the recipe.

Meanwhile, hearing from jfresh that he does have a Canadian customer base and has had no problems so far, I will try to place an order with him as soon as I can free up some funds to do it.,

 

[SouthernBliss]

I've actually done a snus extraction. I'm not wild for tobacco flavor but its an easy enough thing to do. I did mine with 5 little packs of snus that I wet down with 2ml of distilled water and covered with 10 ml vg. It is more flavor than anything else though I suspect. It might have a little extra "stuff" in it other than flavor but it would take an awful lot of it in a mix to feel it if at all and I would guess that coils hate that sort of thing.

 

[jfresh]

I've actually done a snus extraction. I'm not wild for tobacco flavor but its an easy enough thing to do. I did mine with 5 little packs of snus that I wet down with 2ml of distilled water and covered with 10 ml vg. It is more flavor than anything else though I suspect. It might have a little extra "stuff" in it other than flavor but it would take an awful lot of it in a mix to feel it if at all and I would guess that coils hate that sort of thing.

I've actually done one of these myself...but with "loose" snus. About a year and a half ago. If i remember correctly, I used VG, barely covering the snus, let it sit for several days, and squeezed the mixture in a syringe that had a .5 micron filter in the end. I would agree that it was mostly flavor that I got out.

The idea of using snus as the primary tobacco in the chemical process we use was also intriguing to me, but as the particle size is well smaller than the ideal for our particular process, even that wouldn't work without either changing our extraction methods, or doing significantly more "cleaning" of the extract. (This is already a pretty large part of the process)

My best friend quit smoking using "General" snus, and I do believe it works for many people, especially those less habituated to the "hand to mouth" action in smoking and vaping. But, it's my opinion that the two things (vaping and snus) are likely to remain separate, but equally valid approaches.

 

[jfresh]

I just want to thank everyone who endorsed our product in this thread http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...t. lol. Yep. So cool. I really loved it. :)

 

[rothenbj]

My best friend quit smoking using "General" snus, and I do believe it works for many people, especially those less habituated to the "hand to mouth" action in smoking and vaping. But, it's my opinion that the two things (vaping and snus) are likely to remain separate, but equally valid approaches.

I was pretty habituated to smoking hand to mouth at 2-3 PAD. However snus was the only thing that finally got me off those last 6 cigs a day that I was still on after 7 months of vaping. That said, WTA wasn't available in the dark ages or it might have been a quicker transition.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I just want to thank everyone who endorsed our product in this thread http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...100-spend-e-juices-ones-do-you-buy.html...Sue, Peter, Sue, and djezewski (don't know your name...but appreciate you all the same)

That's so awesome that you feel that way!

And I know it is genuine...our early customers almost certainly share a certain disregard for notions of "brand loyalty" and the like with us.

If it's good and it works, then we buy it. lol. Yep.

So cool. I really loved it.

JF, you got tangled up in your link, so it needs to be fixed. I want to see that thread...

Found it: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-liquid-discussion/461530-youve-got-100-spend-e-juices-ones-do-you-buy.html

 

[jfresh]

JF, you got tangled up in your link, so it needs to be fixed. I want to see that thread...

Found it: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-liquid-discussion/461530-youve-got-100-spend-e-juices-ones-do-you-buy.html

Dude, you are seriously, the best. Thanks.

 

[flowerpots]

I have an ordering question. Is it possible to special order a 30 or even 60 mls of pg only WTA or maybe 50/50 base?

 

[It's Only Me]

Hey, anyone notice the much better pictures of the new bottles on The WholeCig site.

Nice job!

 

[jfresh]

I have an ordering question. Is it possible to special order a 30 or even 60 mls of pg only WTA or maybe 50/50 base?

Not at this time, unfortunately. We do plan to offer a higher mg VG e-liquid, possibly in 50ml bottles in the future, by special order, just for DIY enthusiasts. Something you could get 50% PG into, if you so chose. Right now I can't promise a timeline for that, however, and sorry.

 

[jfresh]

Hey, anyone notice the much better pictures of the new bottles on The WholeCig site.

Nice job!

Thanks so much!

Rick will be pleased.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Not at this time, unfortunately. We do plan to offer a higher mg VG e-liquid, possibly in 50ml bottles in the future, by special order, just for DIY enthusiasts. Something you could get 50% PG into, if you so chose. Right now I can't promise a timeline for that, however, and sorry.

JF, I know why (we've talked about it), but could you shed some light on why? I like info and I know everyone else will appreciate it too.

And, FP, what mg are you trying to vape the WTA at?

 

[flowerpots]

And, FP, what mg are you trying to vape the WTA at?

I have the 25mg and don't want 100% VG, it's too thick. But if I mix it with PG, it's going to dilute the WTA, so I'm not sure what to do, except add regular nic to it and then dilute it with PG. I want anywhere in the range of 18-25, not much higher than that, though.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I have the 25mg and don't want 100% VG, it's too thick. But if I mix it with PG, it's going to dilute the WTA, so I'm not sure what to do, except add regular nic to it and then dilute it with PG. I want anywhere in the range of 18-25, not much higher than that, though.

Well, that answers that. LOL. I was thinking that if you wanted 12 mg then you'd be in luck. Have you tried diluting the thickness with a couple drops of distilled water?

 

[flowerpots]

Well, that answers that. LOL. I was thinking that if you wanted 12 mg then you'd be in luck. Have you tried diluting the thickness with a couple drops of distilled water?

I will try this. TY for the suggestion.

 

[SouthernBliss]

I was going to suggest the water as well. I've just tried to compare the viscosity of the WTA I have vs some regular VG and the WTA is less viscus. If it had been just as thick as the VG I would have suggested 20% distilled water unlesss you were also going to add flavoring. In that case bring the flavoring and water to 20% total. But since it isn't as thick I would try a drop at a time so that you don't get it too runny.

 

[pamdis]

Thank you WholeCig! I am starting to get my mind back finally after vaping 20mg WTA only for the last week. I was struggling something awful for the last several weeks, tried WTA from another vendor, and it wasn't working. I was ready to give up and return to cigarettes when I discovered that the WTA I had wasn't really WTA at all. Decided to give your product a try before surrendering to smoking again. You have saved me from that horrible fate! I bought 4 more bottles yesterday - 2 at 20mg, and 2 at 25mg which I will be mixing with the ton of premixed liquids I already have that were headed toward the garbage can on the way to buy analogs. Thank you, thank you, thank you!

P.S. - I would also vote for a higher mg that could be used as DIY so I could end up with something close to 70/30 pg/vg mix at a min of 18mg. Not entirely sure how that would work though. Is the WTA portion always 5% even as the nic level goes up? So then when it's diluted back down, then do I lose a lot of the benefit of it because it's now only 1 or 2% or even less? Should we not even really be shooting for higher mg to dilute?

 

[jfresh]

JF, I know why (we've talked about it), but could you shed some light on why? I like info and I know everyone else will appreciate it too.

And, FP, what mg are you trying to vape the WTA at?

Sure thing. The list has probably even grown since we discussed it!

1. Even from a relatively light amount of research, it seems pretty clear that VG is a better "carrier" for alkaloids. This seems true also in my experience with both VG only and 70/30 PG/VG.

2. VG does not "go bad" and PG does. That's huge for both us and customers.

3. Though some people do have allergic reactions to VG, the number of people either allergic or sensitive to PG seems much higher...fairly common, in fact. We'd like our e-liquid to please the largest amount of people possible.

4. PG, in my understanding, is normally a constituent of e-liquid due to its ability to deliver a strong "throat hit" and well...as you all know by experience, that isn't necessary with WTA.

5. I do have some PG, but I am seriously too busy at this time to mix special batches. That's unlikely to change any time soon. Sorry about that.

6. The VG we use is mixed with distilled water at 7%...it doesn't take much to change viscosity. Another 1 or 2 percent should do the trick, without much of a change in how it vapes. That's what you probably want to do, flowerpots.

Hopefully that covers it!

 

[jfresh]

Thank you WholeCig! I am starting to get my mind back finally after vaping 20mg WTA only for the last week. I was struggling something awful for the last several weeks, tried WTA from another vendor, and it wasn't working. I was ready to give up and return to cigarettes when I discovered that the WTA I had wasn't really WTA at all. Decided to give your product a try before surrendering to smoking again. You have saved me from that horrible fate! I bought 4 more bottles yesterday - 2 at 20mg, and 2 at 25mg which I will be mixing with the ton of premixed liquids I already have that were headed toward the garbage can on the way to buy analogs. Thank you, thank you, thank you!

P.S. - I would also vote for a higher mg that could be used as DIY so I could end up with something close to 70/30 pg/vg mix at a min of 18mg. Not entirely sure how that would work though. Is the WTA portion always 5% even as the nic level goes up? So then when it's diluted back down, then do I lose a lot of the benefit of it because it's now only 1 or 2% or even less? Should we not even really be shooting for higher mg to dilute?

Thank you! So happy for you!

I should explain that our WTA is "WTA exclusive" meaning the entirety of alkaloids, including nicotine, are extracted together and comprise what is considered "WTA." No additional nicotine is ever added. It's a common misconception that "WTA" means "the minor alkaloids" but it actually refers to the entire composition of alkaloids. A higher mg of WTA, for DIY, would be mixed the same as a higher mg of nicotine-only e-liquid.

I should add that anything over 25mg really shouldn't be vaped without diluting it. I vaped 30mg all day long of nic only, but a couple months ago tried a few hits of 32mg WTA and was literally sick to the stomach. Had to lay down. And I'm very punk rock.

Congratulations again on your success! We love to hear it.