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[Mr.Mann]

thanks Mr. Mann will try WholeCig.com next

Your most welcome. It's good to have options. When I get more time I'll try and explain the differences between the two. But as of now, just know that for the first time in a long time, there are 2 WTA vendors.

p.s. Do you DIY at all? Any desires to? And what is your normal nic level?

 

[loxmythe]

I have no idea what that is.

But since you're joking I imagine I probably don't want it?

I should probably make it a firm offer, though...entice you all...

How about 180ml (six 30ml bottles) for a working Provari (any model) in good condition?

Pm incoming

 

[flowerpots]

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[flowerpots]

I've only heard good things about the Vamo2's via fasttech but the price is not nearly as "oh my god you want how much?".

You know, I really like my FT Vamo2. I think it was an awesome deal for $50 to get the intellicharger 2 bay, the gun metal Vamo2 body, and 2 fairly decent batteries. It's not a top-o-the-line model, but it works for me.

(I'm seriously looking at the iTaste SVD like Shatner mentioned. I'm a tactile person, and I'm worried that the difference in circumference where the bottom part and top part of the mod meet and cause a ridge will not be comfortable to handle. That's the only reason I have not ordered it yet)

 

[Starlyte2]

I've had my SS Vamo since they came out, and I still have 2 chrome ones as backups. They're great, do all you want: bat level, VV, VW, resistance reading. And for the price you pay in China, around 20 quid, if my calculations are OK, post included. As they say, don't look a gift horse in the mouth

So don't insult a VV/VW mod that takes 18650 & 18350 batteries, for next to nothing or else. Although I did juste look at the SVD. Pretty beastie it is...and not over priced, either, for a change.

Hope you'll be doing some higher dosed WTA for us DIYers, in far away places, pretty please

PS If I want more TH, as I vape at 12mg/ml, I add up to 20% PG, which is enough TH for me, although you could add more if you dilute to a lower nic level than that in the WTA. I have delicate tastes so 10% is usually my PG level.

 

[RT88]

p.s. Do you DIY at all? Any desires to? And what is your normal nic level?

no maybe later but only been vaping 5 months and still discovering. i am at 6mg for all juice starting at 12 which was too strong. i smoked ultra light menthol but have not craved menthol. this is day 2 of WTA for me so i have to try one of those 12mg at full strength...just once

 

[Mr.Mann]

no maybe later but only been vaping 5 months and still discovering. i am at 6mg for all juice starting at 12 which was too strong. i smoked ultra light menthol but have not craved menthol. this is day 2 of WTA for me so i have to try one of those 12mg at full strength...just once

If you vape at 6 mg, but still require a little assistance, if you bought a 25 mg bottle of WTA from WC and cut it with either PG or VG, you could get a TON of usage out of it. Wow.

 

[RT88]

yes, that's my plan WC next. i'll still go for 12mg tho because i want max alk. i'm thinking the nicotine is added at the end and the alk conc is same for all nic levels... i think

 

[Mr.Mann]

yes, that's my plan WC next. i'll still go for 12mg tho because i want max alk. i'm thinking the nicotine is added at the end and the alk conc is same for all nic levels... i think

WC does not add nicotine to WTA since WTA is already mostly nicotine. Other WTA vendors do that, but not WC. That does not mean WC will work "better" for you, but it's just information. Just remember that, say, if someone tells you that two liquids, 12 mg and 18 mg, both have the same minor alkaloid amounts, the most that could go in the 18 mg would be the max that could go in the 12 mg. So the max minor alkaloids for a WTA exclusive at 12 mg would be 0.6 mg, so that would have to be in the 18 mg as well (no more, but possibly less). Anymore WTA that would go in the 12 mg would add the the overall nic level, thus making it more than 12 mg, since WTA is a unit consisting of 95% nicotine.

Make sense?

If you have 12 mg, 18 mg, 24 mg or even 30 mg, but they all have the same amount of WTA, the most they could have is the max for the lowest amount, i.e., 12 mg (0.6 mg minor alkaloids) and the rest will be added nicotine.

WC's 25 mg is 1.25 mg minor alkaloids and roughly 23.75 mg nic.

 

[RT88]

oh that would require GC/MS for each large batch? and add zero nic WTA to cut it to the target?

or they make zero nic WTA and add a known strong whole alk/nic to get it there? ok then i may have to go 24 and just add to my 6s or get 0mg NETs

 

[Mr.Mann]

oh that would require GC/MS for each large batch? and add zero nic WTA to cut it to the target?

or they make zero nic WTA and add a known strong whole alk/nic to get it there? ok then i may have to go 24 and just add to my 6s or get 0mg NETs

Not sure totally what you're saying, but I'll try to respond (I used to not really get this stuff, and even now I only know a little). There is no such thing as zero nic WTA. WTA is a unit comprised of 95% nicotine and about 5% other minor alkaloids (the minor alkaloids are not added in by themselves--they are always accompanied by the nicotine from the extraction). But you are right about adding low nic levels, or even better yet, no nic juices to get to your target. The best would be to use a vendor like natuarllyextractedtobacco.com or momandpopvaporshop.com to get their concentrates. That way you won't be diluting the flavor. But, that is quite close to actual DIYing. DIYing is really not much work unless you really want to experiment.

 

[SouthernBliss]

Why those concentrates? Different companies and different flavors within those companies tend to vary as to what percentage you need. Flavorwest is often used at 12.5% successfully but many of its tobacco flavors need to be used at 4% or less. TFA flavorings are often used at 10-15% but the caramel cappuccino is so strong you can't use more than a drop or two per 10 ml. Hangsen has a huge following on the boards right now and they seem to be a low percentage brand. Not surprising since they were created expressly for e-cig flavoring.

This has been said before but I am going to stress it. Do not have your first go at a DIY flavoring with your WTA. If your going to be flavoring WTA get some VG (you can get it at CVS and walmart) to try the flavoring in and to get strength before you do the WTA. You can always do a test with 2-3ml and see how it goes so your sure that the flavors going to be right.

 

[flowerpots]

WC does not add nicotine to WTA since WTA is already mostly nicotine. Other WTA vendors do that, but not WC. That does not mean WC will work "better" for you, but it's just information. Just remember that, say, if someone tells you that two liquids, 12 mg and 18 mg, both have the same minor alkaloid amounts, the most that could go in the 18 mg would be the max that could go in the 12 mg. So the max minor alkaloids for a WTA exclusive at 12 mg would be 0.6 mg, so that would have to be in the 18 mg as well (no more, but possibly less). Anymore WTA that would go in the 12 mg would add the the overall nic level, thus making it more than 12 mg, since WTA is a unit consisting of 95% nicotine.

Make sense?

If you have 12 mg, 18 mg, 24 mg or even 30 mg, but they all have the same amount of WTA, the most they could have is the max for the lowest amount, i.e., 12 mg (0.6 mg minor alkaloids) and the rest will be added nicotine.

WC's 25 mg is 1.25 mg minor alkaloids and roughly 23.75 mg nic.

This confused me for awhile. Glad you explained it here to make that clearer as at one point I was going to add my usual mg nicotine to the unflavored WTA thinking it only had the 5% minor alkaloids.

 

[Mr.Mann]

This confused me for awhile. Glad you explained it here to make that clearer as at one point I was going to add my usual mg nicotine to the unflavored WTA thinking it only had the 5% minor alkaloids.

Wait. What do you mean "thinking it only had the 5% alakoids." As in there was no nic?

 

[Mr.Mann]

Why those concentrates? Different companies and different flavors within those companies tend to vary as to what percentage you need. Flavorwest is often used at 12.5% successfully but many of its tobacco flavors need to be used at 4% or less. TFA flavorings are often used at 10-15% but the caramel cappuccino is so strong you can't use more than a drop or two per 10 ml. Hangsen has a huge following on the boards right now and they seem to be a low percentage brand. Not surprising since they were created expressly for e-cig flavoring.

This has been said before but I am going to stress it. Do not have your first go at a DIY flavoring with your WTA. If your going to be flavoring WTA get some VG (you can get it at CVS and walmart) to try the flavoring in and to get strength before you do the WTA. You can always do a test with 2-3ml and see how it goes so your sure that the flavors going to be right.

Why those? Oh, I dunno. The poster spoke about NETs, that's all, and I was keeping in that vein. And with those concentrates, they are essentially the eiluqid already mixed (just without nic/solvent), so the hard work is already done. It's like "just add water." Of course FW, TPA, Hangsen, Inawera, TFA, etc., can be used, but those are full fledged DIY (in my book). Then again, Hangsen's tobacco concentrates are made from real tobacco, so that would suffice.

Yes, though, try it out without the WTA first to see.

 

[SouthernBliss]

NET seems so much more DIY to me. But then one of the first DIY things I did was to try making them. I guess I sort of honed in on not wanting to dilute the mix too much with the flavoring. NETS from what I read generally take a higher percentage of flavoring (and are gunkyier most of the time) than some of the extracts. Especially the tobaccos. The majority of those, no matter the maker, tend to take much lower percentage than bakery or fruit. I think that is why so many people get sketchy results with tobacco. Case in point, everyone always says that Flavor west is super weak but the honey tobacco is so strong that one drop in 10ml is too much for some people.

 

[Mr.Mann]

NET seems so much more DIY to me. But then one of the first DIY things I did was to try making them. I guess I sort of honed in on not wanting to dilute the mix too much with the flavoring. NETS from what I read generally take a higher percentage of flavoring (and are gunkyier most of the time) than some of the extracts. Especially the tobaccos. The majority of those, no matter the maker, tend to take much lower percentage than bakery or fruit. I think that is why so many people get sketchy results with tobacco. Case in point, everyone always says that Flavor west is super weak but the honey tobacco is so strong that one drop in 10ml is too much for some people.

In the case of Mom and Pop Vapor Shop, you can get the equivalent of their 30 mL for about half the price by buying their concentrate. It's TA based so no worries of gunking, and since RT88 vapes at low levels, a lot of liquid could be made and still have some WTA leftover. Of course all that is predicated on the notion that M&P appeals to RT88. Just tossing around ideas. Frankly, I am vaping the unflavored straight as I type this. So most people know where I stand on it. LOL

 

[flowerpots]

Wait. What do you mean "thinking it only had the 5% alakoids." As in there was no nic?

Yeah, 5% of the minor alkaloids and the nic mg like 25mg or 17mg was the strength of those 5% minor alkaloids.

So, I almost added nicotine to it, to make up for the other 95% lol Glad I posted here before I did that.

 

[Mr.Mann]

yeah, 5% of the minor alkaloids and the nic mg like 25mg or 17mg was the strength of those 5% minor alkaloids.

So, i almost added nicotine to it, to make up for the other 95% lol glad i posted here before i did that.

Yowzers! LoL

 

[aikanae1]

Sure thing. The list has probably even grown since we discussed it!

1. Even from a relatively light amount of research, it seems pretty clear that VG is a better "carrier" for alkaloids. This seems true also in my experience with both VG only and 70/30 PG/VG.

2. VG does not "go bad" and PG does. That's huge for both us and customers.

3. Though some people do have allergic reactions to VG, the number of people either allergic or sensitive to PG seems much higher...fairly common, in fact. We'd like our e-liquid to please the largest amount of people possible.

4. PG, in my understanding, is normally a constituent of e-liquid due to its ability to deliver a strong "throat hit" and well...as you all know by experience, that isn't necessary with WTA.

5. I do have some PG, but I am seriously too busy at this time to mix special batches. That's unlikely to change any time soon. Sorry about that.

6. The VG we use is mixed with distilled water at 7%...it doesn't take much to change viscosity. Another 1 or 2 percent should do the trick, without much of a change in how it vapes. That's what you probably want to do, flowerpots.

Hopefully that covers it!

Thanks for this. There is a lot about VG that I don't know - idk enough to ask questions; purity / sources, etc.

I also wanted to mentioned that I came down with a sinus infection a couple of weeks ago that incuded a scratchy throat (ugh). I wasn't fond of the unflavored when I first tried, but I reached for it agan and BINGO. That's what I needed. It actually felt soothing to vape. It saved the day. I think I would have found the energry to go out and pick up a pack without it.

As it so happens, the only thing I had handy was a clearo with about 10% old coffee vape (crystalized mud) in the bottom. I filled it with WholeCig WTA and ... noticed about an hour later that the wick and everything seemed like I had rinsed them out. It was working nicely. I have no idea if that works for every brand / style / juice but it was a nice surprise. I had a fever at the time, so I may have been hallicinating too. WTA's become my main vape since.

So pleeeeeze stock economy sizes.
I also wanted to thank you for keeping in stock as much as you have.