Actually, I'm fairly certain it can (or could) be processed green. The curing is just for smoking.
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Actually, I'm fairly certain it can (or could) be processed green. The curing is just for smoking.
Yes, but, if I am not mistaken, the curing process (unfortunately) not only brings about the development of TSNAs, but maturation of the alkaloids. I know alkaloids are in green leaf tobacco, but I don't think you'd be able to quite get the alkaloid profile you could get with cured tobacco. It would be nice if you could. But if you can, do it!
I've had the same thought about green tobacco as it would provide extremely low TSNA content. As far as the WTA it would produce, could be good, could be awful. To me, the most surprising thing about selection of tobacco is how similar the WTA product is to me (subjectively) no matter the tobacco I use. I've used expensive organic tobacco and I've used cheap tobacco, I've used snus, I've used Malboros, and I've even used rustica... They always make the same sweet elixir.
Come to think of it, I did use some cigar tobacco once that did seem kinda funky...
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I hadn't heard that. Thanks. Any links appreciated as always...but I trust you're probably correct. I do wonder if "maturation" would be more about yield, or some metabolic process and also which would be affected..if it were some of them, like myosimine or cotinine, I wouldn't think it would much affect the profile's effect...not entirely certain, but that's my immediate thought, anyway.
And certainly for another time, as far as even experimental efforts, unfortunately. Fun to think about, maybe one day look into. Milwaukee has a lot of urban agriculture, so the people you'd want to talk about such a project are here, which is nice.
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I hadn't heard that. Thanks. Any links appreciated as always...but I trust you're probably correct. I do wonder if "maturation" would be more about yield, or some metabolic process and also which would be affected..if it were some of them, like myosimine or cotinine, I wouldn't think it would much affect the profile's effect...not entirely certain, but that's my immediate thought, anyway.
And certainly for another time, as far as even experimental efforts, unfortunately. Fun to think about, maybe one day look into. Milwaukee has a lot of urban agriculture, so the people you'd want to talk about such a project are here, which is nice.
I have no idea where the link is, meaning where I saw this (so take it with grain of salt), but I think I read (from the same source) that there are other constituents (alkaloids) in green leaf tobacco that may not be as desirable for our purposes (maybe the curing kills those undesirables if there are some? Is that a silly theory?). I don't know where I saw it, but I know it had something to do with looking into tobacco rituals of indigenous people.
I ought not post willynilly like this, but whatever. We're just talking.
With flue-cured tobacco, one of the single worst traditional practices is the use of direct propane heat. Burning propane in air produces nitrogen oxides, and when these nitrogen oxides are blown over the tobacco, say hello to TSNA's. A more modern practice in flue-curing still involves using propane, but venting the propane outside the curing barn while drawing fresh air through a heat exchanger and then passing that heated fresh air over the tobacco. Problem is, when buying tobacco, you're usually pretty far removed from knowledge of the precise flue-curing methodology.
Thanks for this info...
You are correct, in that we don't know the actual curing process used, but we are single-sourced, so we can certainly ask!
Here's a link to one particular study on TSNA formation during flue curing.
There is more out there on the topic, and I recall reading in one spot that the tobacco industry has mandated indirect heating via a heat exchanger, but I'd need to see much more to feel comfortable that this improved practice is actually universal now.
Interestingly enough, there also seems to be a correlation between leaf position on the stalk and TSNA content, with the lower leaves apparently tending to have higher TSNA levels than the upper leaves.
One might ask, "If DVap actively works with Aroma, why would he be posting tidbits like this on a WC thread?" The answer, I believe, is because any competition between Aroma and WC is being handled in a mature manner by both vendors. Further, and perhaps more importantly, the information is out there, and I can hardly justify trying to be secretive about it for the sake of the vendor that I'm associated with. In other words, minimizing TSNA levels in WTA is bigger than the idea of a "competitive edge". Anything I can learn about it, I think should be available to any vendor, since, in the end, some customers will likely prefer one vendor's product or the other vendors product, and TSNA content is, again, a topic that I consider too important to try to use to leverage one product over another.
There is more out there on the topic, and I recall reading in one spot that the tobacco industry has mandated indirect heating via a heat exchanger, but I'd need to see much more to feel comfortable that this improved practice is actually universal now.
Interestingly enough, there also seems to be a correlation between leaf position on the stalk and TSNA content, with the lower leaves apparently tending to have higher TSNA levels than the upper leaves.
One might ask, "If DVap actively works with Aroma, why would he be posting tidbits like this on a WC thread?" The answer, I believe, is because any competition between Aroma and WC is being handled in a mature manner by both vendors. Further, and perhaps more importantly, the information is out there, and I can hardly justify trying to be secretive about it for the sake of the vendor that I'm associated with. In other words, minimizing TSNA levels in WTA is bigger than the idea of a "competitive edge". Anything I can learn about it, I think should be available to any vendor, since, in the end, some customers will likely prefer one vendor's product or the other vendors product, and TSNA content is, again, a topic that I consider too important to try to use to leverage one product over another.
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I just found this thread and read all 35 pages!
I have ordered twice now from WholeCig and this stuff is a perfect addition to my DIY projects.
Count me as a satisfied repeat customer.
I have ordered twice now from WholeCig and this stuff is a perfect addition to my DIY projects.
Count me as a satisfied repeat customer.
I like the new site, JF. 
I would still like to see more info, maybe in an FAQ or something. People need to know more as to what is what and why it is that.
I would still like to see more info, maybe in an FAQ or something. People need to know more as to what is what and why it is that.
I like the new site, JF.
I would still like to see more info, maybe in an FAQ or something. People need to know more as to what is what and why it is that.
Thanks. It is still "under construction" though functional. We will be adding a FAQ section soon as well as more products.
Thanks. It is still "under construction" though functional. We will be adding a FAQ section soon as well as more products.
Thanks. I figured as much, but wanted to put it out there.
Happy news! Very satisfactory results from initial vapes of our first in-house NET (naturally extracted tobacco) flavor. It's from the same tobacco as our WTA (Virgina flue-cured) and is really synergistic with it. Since it's in-house extracted we can guarantee that it's VG only, as well. This is one exciting and satisfying vape.
Coming soon.
Coming soon.
Happy news! Very satisfactory results from initial vapes of our first in-house NET (naturally extracted tobacco) flavor. It's from the same tobacco as our WTA (Virgina flue-cured) and is really synergistic with it. Since it's in-house extracted we can guarantee that it's VG only, as well. This is one exciting and satisfying vape.
Coming soon.
Nice! Interesting. Interesting.
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There's a problem with ordering on the new website...sorry if anyone's tried in the last couple days and failed. Rick is furiously trying to figure it out and fix it. I trust he will shortly.
Apologies for any inconvenience.
Apologies for any inconvenience.
yeah, tried to order and couldn't... after the initial dread, fear and panic I called and spoke to rick and ordered two bottles over the phone. now relieved I can go back to vaping the last bottle I have knowing it won't be the last!.......
Nice. Glad he got you taken care of. The site is now back in working order I am assured.
Capitalism is saved. Commerce may commence.
Happy news! Very satisfactory results from initial vapes of our first in-house NET (naturally extracted tobacco) flavor. It's from the same tobacco as our WTA (Virgina flue-cured) and is really synergistic with it. Since it's in-house extracted we can guarantee that it's VG only, as well. This is one exciting and satisfying vape.
Coming soon.
i'm all tingly with excitement(did I mention I have no life?) anyway, bring on the new and good stuff.......
JF, let me tell you that the bottle I received today of WC's WTA is really good. I don't know if you have been tightening the screws or what, but this batch is very good. I might even say this is the best batch I've had. Keep pushing forward and never settle for "good enough!"
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