I'm going to order a few of these come Friday $14.96 Panasonic NCR18650PD 18650 3.6V 2900mAH Rechargeable Li-ion Batteries (2-Pack) 2-pack at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
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Excellent choice, those are very good batts as well. I found this post in another thread very enlightening.
[Announcer voice] On this installment of Battery BustersTM: Is the newest, trendiest, battery really the best? Stay tuned for more...
Ok, now that I got that out...what is best? Best for you? Best for someone else? Best for everyone? Best for mech's? Best for VV?
There is not a single answer that covers all of those questions. "Best" is reserved for a very narrow scope with a specific use on a specific PV for a specific person. There are a handful of batteries that will perform very well over the entire spectrum, but "best" needs to be specific.
So lets take a look at how they perform...
CGR18650CH 2250mAh vs NCR18650PB 2900mAh
3A discharge = ~1.3Ω coil in a mech mod, or ~10W on a VV or VW device.
Most won't vape a mech mod down below 3.5V so anything below 3.5V should be ignored. They are pretty similar with the NCR18650PB having a slight advantage.
On a VV/VW device the NCR18650PB has a decent run-time advantage if you run it down to the PV's low voltage cutoff of 3.2V.
Now lets turn up the heat...
CGR18650CH 2250mAh vs NCR18650PB 2900mAh @ 7A
7A = ~.6Ω coil on a mech mod.
CGR18650CH has a moderate advantage in holding a higher voltage under heavier load. The NCR18650PB shows (IMO) a slightly disturbing plateau @ 3.6V. Typically this happens when the battery is being pushed close to it's limit (chemically) and once the cell gains some heat the chemical process improves resulting in the plateau.
Old and forgotten? AW IMR 1600mAh vs NCR18650PB
AW IMR 1600mAh holds much better voltage under heavy load. Meaning your mech mod will have more run-time before you hit the point where you typically change to a fresh battery.
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So the answer to what is the best battery? There is no correct answer. But if you can narrow it down to your specific use, then the correct answers will start to appear. The current trend, or the latest and "greatest" may not be the correct answer. Sometimes "Old and forgotten" might be a better choice.
In the context of this thread:
-The NCR18650PB would perform very well in a VV/VW device that is limited to 15w or in a mech mod with a >1.3Ω coil.
-In a Mech mod with a <1.3Ω coil. The old and forgotten AW IMR 1600mAh performs great and is readily available from many retailers. However, there is also the Samsung INR18650-20R 2000mAh that will outperform the AW 1600 across the board...but it is not so readily available.
Kudos to Bogger Box.
I just Rma'd my VV Bogger Box and I'm very pleased with how the process went.
1. I sent the request for RMA at 3:00am and by 3:30am I had an RMA Number and a Prepaid Return
2. I sent it back to Marcus and he resolved the issue creatively and to my satisfaction the day it arrived
I don't feel that my RMA had anything to do with the quality of the box. In my testing of it I took it to stress limits that would
have choked another box. Also it fell and was damaged, so I glued the part back on. If Marcus had wanted to be hard, he could have blamed it on customer misuse.
Instead he was amicable and dealt with the situation fairly.
Any company can be good when the weather is fair but when it turns foul that's when you know you are dealing with a quality organization.
Thanks Marcus.
I just Rma'd my VV Bogger Box and I'm very pleased with how the process went.
1. I sent the request for RMA at 3:00am and by 3:30am I had an RMA Number and a Prepaid Return
2. I sent it back to Marcus and he resolved the issue creatively and to my satisfaction the day it arrived
I don't feel that my RMA had anything to do with the quality of the box. In my testing of it I took it to stress limits that would
have choked another box. Also it fell and was damaged, so I glued the part back on. If Marcus had wanted to be hard, he could have blamed it on customer misuse.
Instead he was amicable and dealt with the situation fairly.
Any company can be good when the weather is fair but when it turns foul that's when you know you are dealing with a quality organization.
Thanks Marcus.
That is great to hear! Marcus and I have become friends online to a small extent but I was a customer first, a pretty demanding and indecisive one at that. It was his craftsmanship and excellent customer service that kept me hanging around here and pestering him about his operation and I got to know him a bit in the process.
The way I see it, no person is perfect, nor is any company. Not every issue will be handled perfectly to every ones liking. Whether it be miscommunications, production delays or warranty issues, problems will happen with the best of products and companies. I respect the way Marcus always tries to do the right thing for his customers without letting himself be taken advantage of. At least that is the way he has been since I first ordered from him, almost a year now.
I am always glad to see it is not just me that he deals with this way. I don't work for, or with him. I just think he's a cool cat who makes a dam good bottom feeder and I dig that.
The way I see it, no person is perfect, nor is any company. Not every issue will be handled perfectly to every ones liking. Whether it be miscommunications, production delays or warranty issues, problems will happen with the best of products and companies. I respect the way Marcus always tries to do the right thing for his customers without letting himself be taken advantage of. At least that is the way he has been since I first ordered from him, almost a year now.
I am always glad to see it is not just me that he deals with this way. I don't work for, or with him. I just think he's a cool cat who makes a dam good bottom feeder and I dig that.
I'm definitely going to buy another. I love the fact that I can pick my woods. I was telling my vaping buddy at work that certain flavors just taste better in wood mod he said it was all in my head I told him he would understand if he had a fine wood mod
Marcus you know your website still a little jack up right? in the gallery when you try to click on a pic to zoom in. you should get on your IT person for slacking unless you're your own IT person then I understand you'd want to focus on mod making and just ignore me I can live with it.
Ouch to my wallet, I was so pleased with the way that Marcus handled everything,
I bought another VV Bogger Box
and a all natural Stabilized DNA20D Box
I received a regular bottom feeder from a company that begins with R yesterday and it turned out to be my worst purchase of the year.
I ran a .50 Ohm Atomizer on it and it kept melting the button. Yes I verified the atomizer wasn't shorted.
The Voltage Drop was a whopping 1V to 1.2V. A 4.2V battery would go down to 3V under load! I'm asking to return but I'm not confident that he will accept it.
I rebuilt it and it just seems like the parts are garbage, tiny spring, Cheap metal connectors.The black finish came off within three hours, scraped by the door that is hard to insert!! I just can't figure out why R has such a big following.
I'll hold up on details until I've worked it out with R.. to my satisfaction or dissatisfaction.
I had originally planned to use the R unit until my Stabilized Box DNA20d Came in but it's so bad that I ordered another VV Box to use while I'm waiting for the DNA20D to arrive.
I'll have to sell the R unit in the classifieds if he won't accept it back. It's that bad.
I bought another VV Bogger Box
and a all natural Stabilized DNA20D Box
I received a regular bottom feeder from a company that begins with R yesterday and it turned out to be my worst purchase of the year.
I ran a .50 Ohm Atomizer on it and it kept melting the button. Yes I verified the atomizer wasn't shorted.
The Voltage Drop was a whopping 1V to 1.2V. A 4.2V battery would go down to 3V under load! I'm asking to return but I'm not confident that he will accept it.
I rebuilt it and it just seems like the parts are garbage, tiny spring, Cheap metal connectors.The black finish came off within three hours, scraped by the door that is hard to insert!! I just can't figure out why R has such a big following.
I'll hold up on details until I've worked it out with R.. to my satisfaction or dissatisfaction.
I had originally planned to use the R unit until my Stabilized Box DNA20d Came in but it's so bad that I ordered another VV Box to use while I'm waiting for the DNA20D to arrive.
I'll have to sell the R unit in the classifieds if he won't accept it back. It's that bad.
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Having a problem with the cap on the 8ml bottles in my VV leaking.Looks like the o-rings in the cap are swelling to the point I can't get them to stay in.Without the o-ring,these caps seem to leak.Not terrible,just to the point of being an annoyance.Don't want to give up on my VV Stabilized Box.It's my favorite !
You changed my mind, I bought the smaller capacity batteries because your charts showed they were the same or superior at the levels that I want to vape at.
Glad you found it helpful and all credit to Rader2146 who originally posted it. It was very educational to me as well. I now know why the venerable old AW IMR 18650 1600mah battery was/is so highly regarded.
Mah rarely tells the story of a batteries performance.
I'm waiting in breathless anticipation. USPS will be delivering my new VV Box within 2 hours.
Can't wait to get back to bottom feeding!
Can't wait to get back to bottom feeding!
Received replacement rings for my leaky bottle caps today ! Thank you Marcus !
Good Morning all,
Thanks Ratman for the input.I'm so lost as to which battery for which device I should use. I believe I can use either protected IC or IMR on this device,so I think this opens up the batteries I can use,not sure? I saw the discharge output graph that you posted,not sure if I really understand it,but it appears that the AW 1600 IMR would perform well on this device,too. I hope that the DNA20d has the same cutoff of 3.3v as the kick,as I see this will make a difference in perfomance of the batts I purchased from FastTech. BTW, does the button top vs. flat top battery make a difference?I want to purchase some extra batts for and would like advice on what would be the BEST battery with longest life and best performance.
I'm also wanting to start building some RBA's and just purchased an A7-oid from captivape.com,but I think I would like to try something that is more of a dripper,like an ERA clone as I read these seem to perform well on bottom feeders.
I've been watching so many vids trying to get a feel for it. Any advice? also,where is best place to purchase?
I"m looking so forward for the day when all of this will be in place and vaping happily on my new Bogger with the perfect delivery system and juice!
you can use ether button tops or flat tops, I'm using a ERA on mine it is preforming excellently. I was wondering about the era clones myself if they can be bottom fed
Hi Kabonk,
It sounds like you're really enjoying your new plaything; I can't wait to get mine. I would imagine it's like the Darwin,but may even be better.Are you using the AW? if so,what Mah? Also, a friend told me to look at an ERA for my Bogger. Where did you find yours?
thanks for the info
I got mine from a facebook co-op there was a vender that started selling them after that let me poke around and see if I can find it. for batteries I'm using Panasonic hybirds 2250 mah and AW 2000 mah and efest 2000 mah I think I like the Panasonic the best. http://indyvaporshop.com/era-atomizer-coop.html here you go they are quite pricy I remember them being $10 cheaper when I got mine you might want to look into the clones, that Cyclone Rebuildable Atomizer looks pretty nice http://indyvaporshop.com/cyclone-rebuildable-atomizer.html
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Good Morning all,
Thanks Ratman for the input.I'm so lost as to which battery for which device I should use. I believe I can use either protected IC or IMR on this device,so I think this opens up the batteries I can use,not sure? I saw the discharge output graph that you posted,not sure if I really understand it,but it appears that the AW 1600 IMR would perform well on this device,too. I hope that the DNA20d has the same cutoff of 3.3v as the kick,as I see this will make a difference in perfomance of the batts I purchased from FastTech. BTW, does the button top vs. flat top battery make a difference?I want to purchase some extra batts for and would like advice on what would be the BEST battery with longest life and best performance.
I'm also wanting to start building some RBA's and just purchased an A7-oid from captivape.com,but I think I would like to try something that is more of a dripper,like an ERA clone as I read these seem to perform well on bottom feeders.
I've been watching so many vids trying to get a feel for it. Any advice? also,where is best place to purchase?
I"m looking so forward for the day when all of this will be in place and vaping happily on my new Bogger with the perfect delivery system and juice!
Here are my tips on RBA for the VV Bogger Box
[At Least 30 Hours of Research in 1 post]
The best priced performing RBA [Arguably] is the Reomizer from reosmods.com . It's really easy to build.
They plate the bottom with ceramic so it won't ground out and you can keep the wick close to the squonk hole for superb wicking at $45.00 it's a great price.
I have an A7 but it scares me, they have a reputation for center post going out of alignment and shorting the APV.
CAREFUL ERA MAKES A BOTTOM AND TOP FEEDING VERSION. BUY THE BOTTOM FEEDING.
Dripping totally defeats the purpose of a Bottom Feeder.
Buy your Kanthal Wire at Temco it's really inexpensive. http://www.temcoindustrialpower.com/search.html?t1=KANTHAL&sort=price+-+lowest
I suggest that you buy 30G or 32G, I used 29G in a 5 wrap but that might be tough for a beginner.
You'll want to build an Atomizer slightly above 1OHm to take advantage of the DNA20D although I've seen Videos of it Kicking .... on sub 1 Ohm Atomizers.
Wick
Don't bother with regular silica wick, cotton, bamboo etc. The following with possible exception of the German Silica don't burn. You put a blow torch to them and they glow cherry red and don't burn. So avoid the burned taste and go avante garde.
The bomb is Braided Ceramic
http://bigtexvapor.com/collections/wicks-n-wire/products/1-32-xc-116-ceramic-wick-kiln-treated
Also if you prefer Stainless steel [Old School] you can buy pre-rolled pre-oxidized for $2.00 a wick
http://www.shop.goodprophets.com/product.sc?productId=454&categoryId=111
If you want to be new wave than Eko Wool from Russia
http://www.kidneypuncher.com/ekowool-silica-wick/
or
I've heard raves about German Silica
http://www.rtdvapor.com/online-store/accessories/wick-wire/silicawick-detail
I bought batteries in advance and the best deal out their is
$10.51 Panasonic CGR18650CH Rechargeable 2250mAh 3.7V 18650 Lithium Batteries 2-pack - authentic cells / 2-pack at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
at $5.50 a piece delivered whoa, by the way these are the high drain model. [Going by Model number]
I bought 3 Two Packs. These batteries have received raves on the forum. They say that it's the same battery that Orbitronic sells just way lower price.
Fasttech is in Asia and the lead time for an order is around 10-14 calendar days.
Be careful to check the address when they mail you confirmation on the first order, there system totally bolluxed it.
Customer service was good and it was shipped within 2 days of when I straightened out the address error.
A non mainstream choice in batteries are the
Sony US18650VTC3 they are rated at 30 AMps [Not a Typo]
They have short circuit protection and collapse if they heat too much.
Couldn't resist trying them especially for my mechanical.
Bought on FleaBay and arriving at end of week.
Found on Fasttech for less just now
https://www.fasttech.com/products/1315400
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