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[damselle]

Hi guys. The newshour is doing a piece on FDA regulation of ecig's tonight

 

[bert1983]

Hi guys. The newshour is doing a piece on FDA regulation of ecig's tonight

I caught that. It seems they are setting up to regulate, but nothing has changed other than them stating their intentions and saying they don't have scientific evidence about the safety one way or another.

How's everyone doing? I've been quietly working away at a new product that I hope to release next month in between making clean tanks and graduation/mother's day gifts

 

[HzG8rGrl]

We've been pretty busy. In todays market though, busy is good .
On Saturday we will be taking an a/c tech to all the units and running diagnostics on a/c units. This seems to work in finding any potential condenser problems up front, making for a smooth cool summer for tenants.
This week has been run all over week for small repairs. Repaired a couple door knobs, painted a bathroom ceiling, hung new blinds in another and replaced a washing machine lid switch. Couple HOA meetings and being the trash police in one of the communities .


New project, Bert? Can't wait to see what you have in the works!

 

[sedge]

Great here Bert. Super busy after spring break. Can't wait to see your new creations.

 

[Wharf Rat]

Standing Buy Bert !!!

 

[willowize]

Sign the petition!

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/veto-fda-restrictions-e-cigarettes/kdKtpFH4

 

[sedge]

I've been meaning to post pics of my collection. Up to six now. A long way to the 150 I previously had. Each one is very special.

 

[Wharf Rat]

For the last 3 years it's been hot as hell for Special Olympics. Today, the Big Guy has sent us scattered showers. We'll see how the kids handle this. At least we won't be melting

 

[pmoraldo]

good morning Trippy peeps

 

[Reidus]

Hi all. TGIF!
Well, it's getting crazy around here. Jazz Fest has started today and my neighborhood is filling with cars looking for a place to park. Sophie's not sure what to make of all of this, lol. I'm hunkering down, though I might have to attend tomorrow night: Clapton's performing!

 

[Delilah718]

Hiya Trippykin,

Dental appointment for me today

You all have a great Friday

 

[Brew1961]

Good Evening Trippy Nation! I hope everyone is having a great day and looking forward to a wonderful evening. Just got home from my Friday and am looking forward to both Sat & Sun being in the 70s. Spring has finally arrived. Should have my mower back by early next week so no lawn work this weekend. I would typically say I'm happy that winter keeps me from having to mow so often but after this past winter, I say bring on the bi-weekly grass festivities.

So I saw the post regarding the FDA petition but also saw that CASAA posted that they don't want folks jumping on a Petition that is technically inaccurate and they are trying to put together a more exacting version. In any event, we met the milestone for the last petition they put together and that to date was never answered. I'm afraid the only thing that will get their attention will be a much more escalated threat. Unfortunately we're not a coherent enough group, collective across the entirety of the ECF, to really ever make a difference.....I guess we need to resurrect that Rubber Duck and form us a Convoy! I just hope they don't decide to go after Trippies or their going to have a serious fight on their hands. I wish you all a great weekend and I'm keeping my eyes out for Bert's next product/sale. Brew

 

[bert1983]

I signed it, and already got a response:


.

Regulation of Electronic Cigarettes by the FDA

By Mitch Zeller, the Director of the Food and Drug Administration's Center for Tobacco Products.

Thank you for.your petition on electronic cigarettes.

First things first: While we are seeking to regulate products like electronic cigarettes, the proposed regulation would not ban them.

Some background, which you may already know: TheFamily Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act.that Congress passed in 2009 gave the FDA immediate authority to regulate certain tobacco products -- cigarettes, cigarette tobacco, roll-your-own tobacco, and smokeless tobacco -- under the.Federal Food, Drug, & Cosmetic Act. And while it didn't apply right away to other tobacco products, such as electronic cigarettes, the law gave the FDA authority to cover those products through regulation.

We've.issued a proposed rule.to allow the FDA to regulate those products in the April 25, 2014 issue of the.Federal Register. Electronic cigarettes containing nicotine derived from tobacco would meet the statutory definition of "tobacco product" and so they'd be subject to the FD&C Act when the proposed rule is finalized.

Now the petition states that.sections 905.and.910.of the FD&C Act would "ban all e-cigarettes," and that's not true.

If the FDA finalizes the rule in its current form, electronic cigarettes manufacturers will need authorization to sell products not commercially marketed as of February 15, 2007 -- but this doesn't mean these products would be banned. Sections 905 and 910 describe the applications and reports manufacturers will need to submit to sell their products.

There will be two primary ways for tobacco products to obtain that authorization: either an application for "substantial equivalence," or an application for premarket approval.

"Substantial equivalence" would ask manufacturers to compare their products to another product that was already commercially marketed by February 15, 2007 or that was previously found by FDA to be substantially equivalent -- though we acknowledge this may be challenging for electronic cigarettes. Second would be the premarket tobacco application, where a manufacturer submits information to the FDA establishing it would be "appropriate for the protection of public health" to allow the product to be marketed.

We know that those applications may require time and resources to develop. That's why the FDA does not intend to take legal action against manufacturers for marketing their products without prior authorization until the FDA issues its decision on the application -- so long as the manufacturer gets its application in within two years and thirty days after the final rule is published. Our hope is to provide manufacturers flexibility as the FDA completes its review.

So why are we seeking to regulate these products in the first place? As we discuss in the proposed rule, though all tobacco products are potentially harmful and potentially addictive, different categories of tobacco products may have the potential for varying effects on public health. There's still a lot we don't know about these products, and this rule will expand the amount of information available to the FDA and the public -- that's good for everyone.

Some people believe that e-cigarettes may help smokers quit smoking and that switching from regular cigarettes to e-cigarettes may reduce exposure to harmful components and constituents in cigarette smoke. But again, we don't know enough to make that call. This rule would help us to continue to analyze the potential benefits and risks of e-cigarettes, including their impact on nonusers and on the population as a whole.

It's important to remember that this rule isn't final yet, though. We're seeking comments on the proposed rule as to how e-cigarettes should be regulated based on the continuum of nicotine-delivering products, and the potential benefits and risks associated with e-cigarettes.

The.opportunity to comment on FDA's proposed rule is now open.and comments are due on July 9, 2014. We encourage you to do so, and to provide any data and information you may have to support your comments.

Related links:

See the proposed ruleSubmit a comment on the proposed rule

 

[bert1983]

The most interesting point here for me was

Electronic cigarettes containing nicotine derived from tobacco would meet the statutory definition of "tobacco product" and so they'd be subject to the FD&C Act when the proposed rule is finalized.

What about juice containing nicotine derived from tomatoes and eggplants? I know there was a vendor at VapeFest Las Vegas that was already marketing this product.

 

[willowize]

So........the petition is still a good thing......
The links that we got from that email are info that we need to continue in the right direction. Even if the petition was not completely accurate the signatures show our support against some of the regulations being purposed.

My post somewhere else in forum replying to one of Uncle's post....
"I'm not a lawyer, I'm not a politician, I'm an educated mathematician, stay at home mom, grandmother and ex-smoker that vapes. I feel that my words are as important than the next guys and that everyone has a voice. On each side of the fence there are voices waiting to be heard, don't yell across the fence for no one will understand all that's being said. Discuss, petition, delegate and work together for the best outcome.

I agree (to a previous post), I say sign petitions that will get our points across. What's important is that the petitions reach the signatures required. Waiting will only help get the pot to the boiling point, why not start by dousing the fire. I know that probably doesn't make sense to some but all I'm thinking is Signed petitions will be seen. The FDA is not waiting, they want the boiling water.
"We the People, For the People, By the People", these are not words that we can sit by a let go of. If we want our rights, we have to fight for them. Take a stand and Make a stand for those rights. I'm sure there will be many ways for everyone to do this and a United front will be the best. I say sign the petitions! March on DC. Call your congressmen and anyone that you feel can help in our efforts. Use our freedom of speech."

Also his reply:
"Funny thing - since I signed the petition - I just got a response from "By Mitch Zeller, the Director of the Food and Drug Administration's Center for Tobacco Products." AND - While it may have just been a generic letter sent to everyone who signed the petition, it shows that it was seen and also provided a link to be "heard" . . .

"The opportunity to comment on FDA's proposed rule is now open and comments are due on July 9, 2014. We encourage you to do so, and to provide any data and information you may have to support your comments."

AND - In the email letter I got it also provided the following:

Related links:

See the proposed rule
Submit a comment on the proposed rule
Tell us what you think about this response and We the People.

So - The question now really becomes are "We" being heard even if the petition is poorly written ? ? ? Who knows, but the petition is being seen and getting some attention . . ."

another of my replys.....and I believe that we need to let government, fda, BT, BP know what we think and let them know that we are watching....
"I received same email from The White House.gov. What I do like about that is that it helps lead a way to keep up with what is being proposed and what Uncle just said it's being noticed (seen). Peeps that's a step. Don't just sit and hope that the next guy will say or do what you want done."

 

[Brew1961]

I didn't say I didn't sign it since I was one of the first thousand votes. I just wanted to pass along the note from CASAA good, bad or other.

So........the petition is still a good thing......
The links that we got from that email are info that we need to continue in the right direction. Even if the petition was not completely accurate the signatures show our support against some of the regulations being purposed.

My post somewhere else in forum replying to one of Uncle's post....
"I'm not a lawyer, I'm not a politician, I'm an educated mathematician, stay at home mom, grandmother and ex-smoker that vapes. I feel that my words are as important than the next guys and that everyone has a voice. On each side of the fence there are voices waiting to be heard, don't yell across the fence for no one will understand all that's being said. Discuss, petition, delegate and work together for the best outcome.

I agree (to a previous post), I say sign petitions that will get our points across. What's important is that the petitions reach the signatures required. Waiting will only help get the pot to the boiling point, why not start by dousing the fire. I know that probably doesn't make sense to some but all I'm thinking is Signed petitions will be seen. The FDA is not waiting, they want the boiling water.
"We the People, For the People, By the People", these are not words that we can sit by a let go of. If we want our rights, we have to fight for them. Take a stand and Make a stand for those rights. I'm sure there will be many ways for everyone to do this and a United front will be the best. I say sign the petitions! March on DC. Call your congressmen and anyone that you feel can help in our efforts. Use our freedom of speech."

Also his reply:
"Funny thing - since I signed the petition - I just got a response from "By Mitch Zeller, the Director of the Food and Drug Administration's Center for Tobacco Products." AND - While it may have just been a generic letter sent to everyone who signed the petition, it shows that it was seen and also provided a link to be "heard" . . .

"The opportunity to comment on FDA's proposed rule is now open and comments are due on July 9, 2014. We encourage you to do so, and to provide any data and information you may have to support your comments."

AND - In the email letter I got it also provided the following:

Related links:

See the proposed rule
Submit a comment on the proposed rule
Tell us what you think about this response and We the People.

So - The question now really becomes are "We" being heard even if the petition is poorly written ? ? ? Who knows, but the petition is being seen and getting some attention . . ."

another of my replys.....and I believe that we need to let government, fda, BT, BP know what we think and let them know that we are watching....
"I received same email from The White House.gov. What I do like about that is that it helps lead a way to keep up with what is being proposed and what Uncle just said it's being noticed (seen). Peeps that's a step. Don't just sit and hope that the next guy will say or do what you want done."

 

[Tjloa]

Hey all hope your all well. Boy I'm exhausted lol. Need a few to catch up and then ill be back. Ttyl8r hugs

 

[Reidus]

Morning all. Hope your weekend's off to a great start!
Okay, something I noticed in the response:
Electronic cigarettes containing nicotine derived from tobacco would meet the statutory definition of "tobacco product" and so they'd be subject to the FD&C Act when the proposed rule is finalized.
Several points of interest here: As Bert pointed out, nicotine can be derived from other sources. Also, what about juice that doesn't contain nicotine? That clearly falls outside of this. More importantly, mods, cartos, attys, trippy tips, etc. contain no nicotine at all! It should be noted that while ......... is still illegal in most places. ....s, pipes etc. aren't. Why? Because they can be used for other purposes, even though we know they really aren't. We're having a similar issue here, as my campus, along with all of the other public universities in LA will be "tobacco-free" starting August 1. We're not yet sure whether vaping will be included; that's still be debated here at UNO, among other places. However, I'm tempted to show up to school vaping 0mg juice and see what happens! I believe that these regs as written mainly will only be able to be successfully applied to the pre-packaged items such as NJoy, Blu, etc. Personally, I don't believe that I use e-cigs: I vape using my personal vaping device, which looks nothing like a cigarette.

 

[pmoraldo]

Good morning Trippy Nation

 

[willowize]

I didn't say I didn't sign it since I was one of the first thousand votes. I just wanted to pass along the note from CASAA good, bad or other.

I wasn't fussing at ya, lol. I was just showing some conversations that I've had recently and that I also (at least) got a generic reply back from signing it