Cloud chasing turning into a four letter word?

[dopamine1]

Seems to me a lot of vapers like to look down on cloud chasers like non smokers do to smokers. And there's not really any good reason to. Seems like it's mostly "Damn kids these days!!" stuff. Cloud chasers could make fun of flavor chasers with many of the same arguments. You don't need a strawberry and cream flavor to get your nicotine fix, do you? And all these flavors make vapers look bad in the media!! (Sarcasm...)

Reckless, inconsiderate vapers make us look bad, period. It doesn't matter if they are using an ego or a 26550 mech with a 0.15 ohm coil on it. For example, someone using an ego battery in a restaurant and refusing to stop when asked vs. me blowing clouds on my own property and not bothering anyone. Really which is worse?

For the record, I started vaping to stop smoking. I'm not into super sub ohm (lower than .25 imo) cloud chasing. It's too hot and too much of a hassle, re dripping every 2-3 hits and I'm not comfortable pushing batteries that hard. My main vapes are protanks and a kfl, usually around 8 watts. But... I do enjoy a cloud once in a while, and I've done the research to do it safely, I'm considerate about when and where I do it, so what's the problem?

Yes... there are some idiots in the cloud chasing subculture. Those that run ridiculous, unsafe builds on batteries that can't handle it. And people who treat it like some kind of .... measuring contest. But those people are everywhere. So.. chill out. Live and let live?

 

[Derack]

I agree.Nothing wrong with cloud chasing.For alot of people vaping is a hobby.People are supposed to have fun with their hobbies if i'm not mistaken.Cloud chasing isnt dangerous if you know what you are doing.People just want to put all the cloud chasers in the same group as people like de jay and its not fair.

I dont cloud chase myself.
I found my happy vape spot at .3-.4 ohms on a RDA.
Cheers

 

[SunshinePete]

I support your freedom to vape how you like without inconveniencing others. Power to the people.

 

[Roxxette]

People just want something to complaint, since the start people were always feel the need for more vapor hence chasing the clouds now people are really chucking the vapor with the dripping rebuildables but I've yet to find someone in the open tossing huge clouds lol hell when i see someone complaining about paper its always a ego vaper with a tank most of the time (to not say always).

 

[dam718]

To be honest, the "flavor chasers" are doing more to the detriment of this industry than the cloud chasers, IMO... What do you hear the mainstream media complaining about? It's rare you hear them reporting on people making big clouds of vapor... Nope... You hear them complaining about juices that taste like cotton candy and bubble gum and whatever other flavor they deem attractive to kids. All they anti vaping crowd wants is to see us vaping garbage that tastes like chicken livers, stop advertising, and put age restrictions on everything...

In the mean time, I saw some 13 year olds smoking cigarettes today when I picked up my kids from school... Good job FDA, your advertising bans and age restrictions are working!

 

[dmetzcher]

Seems to me a lot of vapers like to look down on cloud chasers like non smokers do to smokers. And there's not really any good reason to. Seems like it's mostly "Damn kids these days!!" stuff.

I agree with you.

I was just making similar comments in another thread titled "Cloud Chasing Fad". There's so much negativity toward cloud chasers in there. It bothers me when people are so quick to judge others and try to separate them from the group. It's just ugly behavior, and while that sort of ugliness is all around us, I was surprised upon joining this forum to find it here. I thought we were all on the same team where we encourage one another to enjoy vaping, whatever that means to an individual, so long as they are being safe and courteous toward others.

I suppose that some people are just naturally negative, and they drag that negativity around with them wherever they go, bringing people down and finding others to pick apart in order to make themselves feel a bit more superior. If anyone's going to be separated from the community, though, it should be the holier-than-thou members who are insulting others simply because they don't understand them.

 

[David1975]

I don't see a problem with cloud chasing or flavor chasing as long as it's done how you put it, respectfully out in public. The problem as I can see it through talking with others both online and in person is many lack respect, or view it as "It's legal so don't tell me what to do".
These people, and not the clouds, are what I have a problem with. Lack of respect will put us all outside with the smoke were trying to get away from. Many need to remember that people who know nothing about e-cigs are learning and growing an opinion about it based on what the see, without actually having knowledge about it....
My case in point is a restaurant I went too. I always as if I can vape inside before doing so, so I asked the server, who had to ask the owner. His response told me everything I needed to know about HIS experience. He told me "yes, you can use them in here for now. But at the beginning of next month, this will probably change to being banned inside." When I was talking with him, he explained that he didn't have a problem with some people using them, but others put out too much "smoke" (in his words) and/or ignored him when asked not to use them.
This is a guy who knows nothing about e-cigs, so, I taught him. Turns out he has no problem at all with cig-a-likes, smaller ego type devices, or even MOD's with tanks set at lower wattages. What he did have a problem with was Mech MOD's, drippers, or anything set high enough that put out a very visible "smoke". Through out the time I was there after talking with him, he stopped by to watch me, and also to talk.... this ended up with 2 good things happening.
1- He won't be banning e-cigs, only MOD's and drippers, while limiting other devices to around 8-9 watts. Considering his initial all out ban idea.... I consider this better as we ex-smokers can still vape if we need too.
The final good thing.... he comped the entire meal and all the drink! Said he could have lost the business of people like me (vapers) with an all out ban, where now he can possibly keep both side (vaper/non-vapers) happy. This to me makes me think others may not necessarily want to ban us from vaping indoors, but they don't know what's what in the vaping world so they think it's all the same....and even though only some use it rudely, we all suffer.

 

[dmetzcher]

@David1975

I think your story is a perfect example of what we can achieve if we are respectful of others. No businessperson wants to ban paying customers from their establishments. Most of them simply don't understand vaping, and if they have a negative experience with it, they are going to ban it simply because they feel that it will drive other customers away. If we are respectful of people, they will not support over-regulation by the government when they hear about it. This includes business owners. It's a win-win situation for everyone.


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[happydave]

(IMO) as the general understanding of vaping related technology has evolved, more and more people are exploring the ragged edge between safe and potentially dangerous. regardless of them knowing it or not.
i use a mechanical mod with duel coil setup, around .3 or .5 ohms for a lot of my vaping needs. i would not consider myself to be a "cloud chaser".
at .3 ohms with a fully charged battery (4.2 volts) im pulling 14 amps from the battery (30 amp battery). my battery (Sony VTC4) is rated to put out 30 amps continuously.
this setup is using less than half of the discharge rating, and makes plenty of vapor for my needs.

lets say i wanted to make more vapor, i could experiment with different types of wick and wire, different shapes of coils, different airflow, find a max VG e-liquid i like. all of these things could lead to more vapor production and stay within the range of the batteries continuous discharge rate.
my preferred build is super easy takes about 10 minutes and makes all the vapor i need and is relatively very safe.

the real issue is that people are either knowingly doing something outside of the normal "safe" operating conditions of the battery to get more vapor.
or sometimes they are clueless and do something that is dangerous.
people modifying and adapting technology in a hobby type atmosphere leads to some great and wonderful things. but it needs to be done with safety in mind.
also, don't think that vapers are the only group with people pulling some crazy, potentially dangerous crap with electronics. on that note i leave you with... Laser Enthusiast Builds Super-Dangerous Homemade Pistol | The Escapist

 

[David1975]

@David1975

I think your story is a perfect example of what we can achieve if we are respectful of others. No businessperson wants to ban paying customers from their establishments. Most of them simply don't understand vaping, and if they have a negative experience with it, they are going to ban it simply because they feel that it will drive other customers away. If we are respectful of people, they will not support over-regulation by the government when they hear about it. This includes business owners. It's a win-win situation for everyone.


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You bring up another good point, aside from him loosing customers and money.... his vote, if/when the time comes. Would he vote to help me say a customer now, or vote to loose my(our) money in the long term? IDK for sure now, but I think the odds are more in OUR favor now, than when I first came in his door.

 

[doctadrea]

I don't think respect has anything to do with whether someone is sub-ohming or not. I don't blow my vapor in a way that it will get into a stranger's personal space because it will probably make them uncomfortable. I also don't burp in people's faces. If I'm sitting at a lunch counter, I don't take my dirty fork and sample my neighbor's dish. I don't care if you're using a dripper or an evod. Just show some respect.

 

[Ryedan]

I don't see a problem with cloud chasing or flavor chasing as long as it's done how you put it, respectfully out in public. The problem as I can see it through talking with others both online and in person is many lack respect, or view it as "It's legal so don't tell me what to do". These people, and not the clouds, are what I have a problem with. Lack of respect will put us all outside with the smoke were trying to get away from. Many need to remember that people who know nothing about e-cigs are learning and growing an opinion about it based on what the see, without actually having knowledge about it.... My case in point is a restaurant I went too. I always as if I can vape inside before doing so, so I asked the server, who had to ask the owner. His response told me everything I needed to know about HIS experience. He told me "yes, you can use them in here for now. But at the beginning of next month, this will probably change to being banned inside." When I was talking with him, he explained that he didn't have a problem with some people using them, but others put out too much "smoke" (in his words) and/or ignored him when asked not to use them. This is a guy who knows nothing about e-cigs, so, I taught him. Turns out he has no problem at all with cig-a-likes, smaller ego type devices, or even MOD's with tanks set at lower wattages. What he did have a problem with was Mech MOD's, drippers, or anything set high enough that put out a very visible "smoke". Through out the time I was there after talking with him, he stopped by to watch me, and also to talk.... this ended up with 2 good things happening. 1- He won't be banning e-cigs, only MOD's and drippers, while limiting other devices to around 8-9 watts. Considering his initial all out ban idea.... I consider this better as we ex-smokers can still vape if we need too. The final good thing.... he comped the entire meal and all the drink! Said he could have lost the business of people like me (vapers) with an all out ban, where now he can possibly keep both side (vaper/non-vapers) happy. This to me makes me think others may not necessarily want to ban us from vaping indoors, but they don't know what's what in the vaping world so they think it's all the same....and even though only some use it rudely, we all suffer.

David, I read much of your post and enjoyed it, but it would have been easier going if you would have hit enter a few times at appropriate places to make paragraph breaks.

I'm not a grammar Nazi by any means, but that wall of text I see above is a bit daunting and I don't want to ignore your thoughts because of that.

Peace and vape on my friend

 

[InTheShade]

To be honest, the "flavor chasers" are doing more to the detriment of this industry than the cloud chasers,

that comment made me lol. Seriously, define a flavor chaser. Then tell me again how a flavor chaser is more of a detriment to the industry.

I don't even think cloud chasers are a detriment to the industry, but I'd love to know more about these flavor chasers and their nefarious ways.

 

[Vaslovik]

In all the time I've been vaping I've yet to see a single instance of anyone cloud-chasing in public where I live. The only time I've seen anyone blowing wall clouds was in the B&M's by the young hipsters working there. So I really can't see what the problem is. Most vapers around here who vape in public use ego rigs and don't blow as much of a cloud as the smokers. Maybe it's different in other places, I don't know.

 

[TheJakeBailey]

Honestly, I don't participate on the forum nearly as much as I used to. So much finger pointing, so much negativity, so much my way is the only right way. Maybe it's always been like this, but it seems to have gotten a whole lot worse over the last few months. I'm the kind of person who will dive right into the fray, and I fight enough battles in my real life/job. Truth be told, I'm not even a cloud chaser... I drip, I want a decent amount of vapor and flavor, and that's what satisfies me. i run about .3 to .9 depending on the mod/mood. But I've never seen someone blowing a larger cloud than mine unless it was at a vape meet of some kind. Where are all of these huge cloud blowing, disturbing the public types? I live in Austin, and there is a vape shop on every corner. You would think the whole city would be clouded out. Nope. The only time I've even noticed vapor in an inappropriate place (twice ever) was an ego user and an itaste vv user. Movie theater and office waiting room respectively. I'm just one man, in one city, but I think we are "blowing" this way out of proportion. Why worry about the FDA? We are doing a fine job of persecuting ourselves.

 

[dam718]

that comment made me lol. Seriously, define a flavor chaser. Then tell me again how a flavor chaser is more of a detriment to the industry.

I don't even think cloud chasers are a detriment to the industry, but I'd love to know more about these flavor chasers and their nefarious ways.

You probably took that a bit more literal than I intended it to be.

The point was this. When you see a news article written by some pinhead talking about how ecigs need to be strictly regulated, do you ever hear them talking about those big clouds of vapor? Or how attractive all the different flavors are to children?

I don't personally have a problem with all the different flavors, but the fact that it "tastes good" seems to alarm the anti vaping crowd a lot more than the fact that it could potentially blow off your lips. LoL


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[InTheShade]

You probably took that a bit more literal than I intended it to be.

The point was this. When you see a news article written by some pinhead talking about how ecigs need to be strictly regulated, do you ever hear them talking about those big clouds of vapor? Or how attractive all the different flavors are to children?

I don't personally have a problem with all the different flavors, but the fact that it "tastes good" seems to alarm the anti vaping crowd a lot more than the fact that it could potentially blow off your lips. LoL


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I disagree, but thanks for clarifying.

A flavor chaser could just as easily be 'chasing' a good tobacco flavor as a candy or bakery flavor.

 

[Asbestos4004]

Vaslovic...I agree 100%. The Atlanta area has many b&M's and more are opening everyday. We've hosted some fairly large vape meets in Atlanta. The vaping scene is fairly established here, to say the least. You'd think I would've witnessed some of these rude, obnoxious, arrogant public cloud chaser punks clearing a restaurant or a bus stop by now. I've been reading about them on here everyday for the last year. Yet, they continue to elude me.....
So far, this small set of thrill seekers hides in vape shops, vape meets or in their own homes. I haven't been able to pinpoint the times when they take it to the streets to annoy innocent bystanders and single handedly "ruin vaping for everyone else". But I know they're doing it....because I read it on ECF.
However, I have seen my fair share of responsible , mature vapers blowin it up in the checkout lines of Walmart and publix grocery store with their egos.....
Thats ok.....I'll catch em eventually ! And when I do, you can bet heads will roll !!!

 

[Bunnykiller]

(IMO) as the general understanding of vaping related technology has evolved, more and more people are exploring the ragged edge between safe and potentially dangerous. regardless of them knowing it or not.
i use a mechanical mod with duel coil setup, around .3 or .5 ohms for a lot of my vaping needs. i would not consider myself to be a "cloud chaser".
at .3 ohms with a fully charged battery (4.2 volts) im pulling 14 amps from the battery (30 amp battery). my battery (Sony VTC4) is rated to put out 30 amps continuously.
this setup is using less than half of the discharge rating, and makes plenty of vapor for my needs.

lets say i wanted to make more vapor, i could experiment with different types of wick and wire, different shapes of coils, different airflow, find a max VG e-liquid i like. all of these things could lead to more vapor production and stay within the range of the batteries continuous discharge rate.
my preferred build is super easy takes about 10 minutes and makes all the vapor i need and is relatively very safe.

the real issue is that people are either knowingly doing something outside of the normal "safe" operating conditions of the battery to get more vapor.
or sometimes they are clueless and do something that is dangerous.
people modifying and adapting technology in a hobby type atmosphere leads to some great and wonderful things. but it needs to be done with safety in mind.
also, don't think that vapers are the only group with people pulling some crazy, potentially dangerous crap with electronics. on that note i leave you with... Laser Enthusiast Builds Super-Dangerous Homemade Pistol | The Escapist

and whats wrong with lasers and Tesla coils??? I love hearing the buzz of 1.2 million volts ripping thru the air

 

[exnihilo]

Humans love bandwagons.

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