Well, I thought I've found a perfect match - and as far as styles go it still holds true.
But then I noticed it's a very wide (to my taste) opening drip, and went on to find the next best thing.
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Well, I thought I've found a perfect match - and as far as styles go it still holds true.
But then I noticed it's a very wide (to my taste) opening drip, and went on to find the next best thing.
Thanks for your input!
Any and all theories are worth investigating if for no other reason than to eliminate a possibility.
The Amber is an industrial grade (lower cost alternative) while Clear Glue is more for Retail/Visual applications.(amber is also higher hold)
Both have pretty much the same properties and function, however Application of either could result in contribution.
I do not believe Hot Glue has any R-value in insulating but it is also NOT a good heat conductor for shedding excess.
IC Chips get hot under load and need to efficiently cool. This is why you never see anything covering a PC main board.
Now you have me considering going deep to have a look.
Maybe I will wait until #2 arrives.
Now you have me considering going deep to have a look.
Maybe I will wait until #2 arrives.
Don't do it unless you plan on upgrading it. I did because I'll probably throw in a DNA40. The plastic cover is held in place by hot glue and does not fit back properly once removed (yeah, I could probably get it back to look like new but I'm lazy
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Don't do it unless you plan on upgrading it. I did because I'll probably throw in a DNA40. The plastic cover is held in place by hot glue and does not fit back properly once removed (yeah, I could probably get it back to look like new but I'm lazy
LOL - okay, I'll show patience.
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Senior Stupid Moment...............and.............Wow these mini's are stout!
Decided to rework my Flaky Orchid. OMG, that thing looked like it had 2 Charcoal Briquettes for Coils.
Rinsed it and the Cellucotton came clean(white), but the coils were not even visible.
I did a dry burn and they came right back to Cherry. Looking good and heating even. Re-wicked/wet and assembled.
1) Was running at 30w with reading issues
2) Coils were totaled
3)Coils now Fresh
4) Still sitting at 30w
5) Didn't notice the misread of 1.67ohm on the Mini Screen
6) SNAP, CRACKLE, POP - Super HOT VAPE
7) Loosen/Snug tank - .49ohm - (correct/close)
8) lower power to 20w
9) to late..........................Char Broiled again
Moral of the Story - Don't get old!.................errrr............ Check your ohms ON THE MOD!
I'm only guessing but I'd say the Mini hit the Orchid with about 60w-80w......and survived.
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Those are niceWell, I thought I've found a perfect match - and as far as styles go it still holds true.
But then I noticed it's a very wide (to my taste) opening drip, and went on to find the next best thing.
Well, I thought I've found a perfect match - and as far as styles go it still holds true.
But then I noticed it's a very wide (to my taste) opening drip, and went on to find the next best thing.
Wish those 16mm tips came in, oh, something under 10mm, preferably 8mm
Honestly, I wish you and others would stop trying to minimize or pass off this thing as blind panic or hysteria.
One simple fact: if it even happens to one device, there's a problem here, and a potentially fatal one. If even it's just a few dozen devices out of "100s of thousands" (I find that claim by Cloupor a bit optimistic) it is still a hazard and still has the potential, under equally rare circumstances, to be dangerous and/or fatal. If some vaper falls asleep with one of these faulty devices among some very combustible material, poof, up they go, up their house goes.
I do believe all things should be put into perspective, but I've read almost every post in this thread and there's a commonality amongst a few posters - "this is much ado about nothing". But it's not. There's a potential danger here, and Cloupor's initial reactions have not been reassuring -- including, but not limited to, deleting facebook postings showing damaged units, denying FT returns, vague messages about only affecting a few devices and maybe you need to use the device another way than how it was intended, etc etc.
The news today about them narrowing down the problem is good. But the circumstances, AS THEY DESCRIBED IT causing these "few faulty devices" is also a big cause for concern as it shows their QC in the factory is really shoddy. That in itself is a worry.
I have one on the way too, and I'm worried. I'm worried about the actual combustible ones, but I'm also worried about Cloupor's poor QC on the devices. I feel bad for everyone who's already had a scare with these devices, and thankful we haven't heard of anything worse happening so far.
Anyway, just my $0.02.
I take full responsibility for everything I have posted on the matter and do not see where I have Down played anything. Sure there may be a much calmer tone to my postings, but I would like to reassure some of the NOW owners that there are limits to what can and cannot be discovered during a Q/C run.
A few of your comments make total sense. A few are just as panic ridden as those you claim calm minds are trying to pass off.
I personally feel Vaping in bed is as smart as Smoking in Bed. We have already had MEMBERS of ECF post of severe damage due to Falling asleep with their Mod. Both Regulated and Mechanical units.
As to Q.C. you obviously do not understand how production works. Samples are pulled from a Run(BATCH) not the entire Batch. If there is a problem it May or May not be detected right away. This is a rather common manufacturing(NOT CHINA Manufacturing) Practice and complies with most areas Legal Compliance standards.
Agreed:
My perspective - There is a NOW known Problem
There is a Serious Problem
There needs to be a Solution to this Problem
Hind Sight is 20/20. The thing that now matters in finding a solution, not creating a split or causing people to freak out.
There is a simply solution for those that cannot handle the stress:
Many Vendors are willing to take back the units pending a resolve. Contact your Vendor for a return.
If your vendor is not cooperative - Remove the Battery and place the unit in a Drawer until we have a Definitive, acceptable to the community, answer.
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As to your Fasttech comment - I shop FT very often and understand their way of doing things.
They make Authentic purchases through wholesale Brokers - Same ones I have Purchased through in Co-ops.
Cloupor did not authorize Sale nor is obligated to Warranty Directly and purchase through FT.
NONE of that is Relevant! Fasttech Provides Their OWN buyer Protection. i.e. Fasttech Customers have a better chance of replacement than most other venues.
I am not playing anything down. I just don't see things in the same light.
I have also been using My Mini heavily without stressing and I know how to remove the battery if needed.
Lot of people do.
Including myself.
Hanging out by my laptop I charge and vape at the same time all the time.
Very convenient.
I use a MVP20W.
Eric
Welcome to the real world...the QC (or lack thereof) of many (if not most) manufacturers in China has always been sub-standard compared to the Western world...that's nothing new and we must deal with. That's the chance we take when buying such products.
If you have one on the way, chances are you won't get one from the 0002 batch (but who knows). I got mine early and it was from the 0002 batch. It tested fine twice @ 30W with no issues other than the tank I tested it on (dual coil Orchid V3) got hot as expected, but my Cloupor Mini was fine and did not experience any heat issues at all. Good luck with yours.
What if my mini did someday melt. I would be bummed but really what would be damaged ? The unit is in a metal box. I really quit worrying about anymore. I will be buying another after the Chinese new year. After all the bad press drives down the price down.
I could just fire off the standard "you don't know me, so don't make assumptions". Instead, I will say I know quite well how manufacturing, especially in China, works. I consult on the design and usability of coffee and espresso equipment as part of my living, and see all stages of proof of concepts, early and late prototyping from a variety of manufacturers, some of whom manufacture in China, Taiwan, Vietnam, Indonesia and India.
Q/C, based on Cloupor's own feedback here, is very poor standards. No way would this kind of claimed mess up (they claim wrong boards put in) would have happened at Innokin or Kangertech's factories.
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I'm sorry, but this is too black and white a view. Many manufacturers in China (and Taiwan) have exceedingly high quality control standards, often rivaling anything made in Europe or North America. But in this case, I wouldn't put Cloupor in that class.
- M
Over the four years and three months since I began vaping, I've purchased 193 PVs---eGos, bottom-feeders, handmade box mods, tube mods, Twists/Spinners, VVs, VWs, mechanicals. No, I haven't purchased everything in the marketplace, but I've owned and used more of what's available than many (most?) vapers.
Of those 193 PVs, I've given away about 25, retired another 25, and had 25 more fail. Some gave up the ghost early on, others after a year or two of use. About 15 of the failures were "invisible." The unit simply broke one way or another, stopped working, and went quietly to its grave. The other 10, however, failed in more dramatic or even spectacular fashion, usually due to a short inside the PV. None of those exploded, but most got hot and burned in some fashion. I am now familiar with the smell of melting plastic cases and internal chip/boards. A couple of these were clearly my fault, caused by mistakes such as a shorted atty coil or inserting a battery in backwards. The others were caused by something going wrong inside the PV itself. I've also had a battery catch fire and vent in a faulty dedicated charger. Luckily, I was ten feet away when that happened.
What I'm saying is that this is the state of affairs in the vaping industry.
I'm sure that many vapers have never encountered a problem with their hardware. I'm equally certain that a meaningful percentage of vapers would report experiences similar to mine, although perhaps not as many. I've come to accept that the devices we use to power our vaping are not infallible, and probably not to be trusted.
Yes, my American-made ProVari and Buzz Pro are still going strong after almost three years, but then so is the very first PV I ever bought---a 650mAh eGo Riva battery from China. Of the failed units, there's no apparent correspondence with price. I've had expensive PVs go belly up as often as cheap ones. The same applies to country of manufacture. American? Chinese? The failures are seemingly random in terms of national origin.
So far, my Cloupor Mini has been nearly flawless. Yeah, I had to fix the clicking battery door, but otherwise it's been perfect. Do I trust it? Not on your life, especially given the recent reports. It did pass the 15-second cutoff test, however, so that has given me some reassurance, although I still turn it off before going to bed. Nothing surprises me, though. My first iStick 30W had an overheating malfunction and had to be sent back for exchange.
I try to use care and common sense and not abuse my PVs. I expect failures, however, and am not shocked if/when one occurs. As I say, that's the state of affairs in this young industry, and I love vaping so much that I'm willing to take the risk.
Of those 193 PVs, I've given away about 25, retired another 25, and had 25 more fail. Some gave up the ghost early on, others after a year or two of use. About 15 of the failures were "invisible." The unit simply broke one way or another, stopped working, and went quietly to its grave. The other 10, however, failed in more dramatic or even spectacular fashion, usually due to a short inside the PV. None of those exploded, but most got hot and burned in some fashion. I am now familiar with the smell of melting plastic cases and internal chip/boards. A couple of these were clearly my fault, caused by mistakes such as a shorted atty coil or inserting a battery in backwards. The others were caused by something going wrong inside the PV itself. I've also had a battery catch fire and vent in a faulty dedicated charger. Luckily, I was ten feet away when that happened.
What I'm saying is that this is the state of affairs in the vaping industry.
I'm sure that many vapers have never encountered a problem with their hardware. I'm equally certain that a meaningful percentage of vapers would report experiences similar to mine, although perhaps not as many. I've come to accept that the devices we use to power our vaping are not infallible, and probably not to be trusted.
Yes, my American-made ProVari and Buzz Pro are still going strong after almost three years, but then so is the very first PV I ever bought---a 650mAh eGo Riva battery from China. Of the failed units, there's no apparent correspondence with price. I've had expensive PVs go belly up as often as cheap ones. The same applies to country of manufacture. American? Chinese? The failures are seemingly random in terms of national origin.
So far, my Cloupor Mini has been nearly flawless. Yeah, I had to fix the clicking battery door, but otherwise it's been perfect. Do I trust it? Not on your life, especially given the recent reports. It did pass the 15-second cutoff test, however, so that has given me some reassurance, although I still turn it off before going to bed. Nothing surprises me, though. My first iStick 30W had an overheating malfunction and had to be sent back for exchange.
I try to use care and common sense and not abuse my PVs. I expect failures, however, and am not shocked if/when one occurs. As I say, that's the state of affairs in this young industry, and I love vaping so much that I'm willing to take the risk.
Felt the need to respond to this as well. I know somewhat (based on completely third party reporting, and a lot of speculation by the vaping community) that FT buys their products through a variety of channels, often getting products without manufacturer consent or as an "official vendor" status.
I also know and understand how a manufacturer would not honour a product warranty for just normal random problems (ie, one out of a thousand units in a specific production run) if it was bought through FT.
In this case though,
a) this is a known manufacturing defect, affecting an entire run (according to Cloupor) of their product.
b) this is a potentially dangerous and life threatening defect.
In this case, Cloupor needs to man up, own this, and say "no questions asked, if your boxmod if from the production run we've determined to be faulty, we'll replace it, at our cost".
Once they do that, they'll probably gain back a bit of faith. Playing the "they aren't an authorized dealer" card here won't bode well for the company's reputation.
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Too black and white?...call it what you will but I've been in the electronics manufacturing industry too long to think otherwise, so your statement just goes-in-one-ear then out-the-other. You say "Many manufacturers in China have exceedingly high quality control standards..." and yes that may be true but based on the volume of manufacturers there then that probably means about 1 out of [say] 20 if not more. You can complain all you want to whoever on this forum but if you continue your rant then the integrity of your statements will be questioned.
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