Co-Op Interest for L-Rider Lavatubes for $30 each unit!!!

[Blakd]

Shek,

You are doing one hell of a job. Sometimes people/companies just want to do things a certain way and are not willing to do things differently than they would normally do. Just keep your head up and keep trying.

 

[Scottinboca]

Shek will still be working on getting the co-op together. I know we all want this to work out. This kind of thing is a bump in the road, which happens when working out any type of deal. Everyone just relax. Shek isn't giving up on this.

 

[trukinlady]

Oh YES I'm interested!! I'd like 1 (black) mini or an 18650. I'll that the co-op will be worked out successfully!!

Edit: I'm still for a successful co-op with the best vendor/manufacturer!

 

[Shekinahsgroom]

Why is no escrow a non starter? I don't mind sending you payment, and then you paying before delivery. Do you suspect that l-rider will stiff us?

Salemgold is correct!

I understand your excitement Keys, but it's not a good idea to send ANY company, that you or I have never done business, a large sum of unsecured funds. And especially not to a company overseas! Cuz that entity could quite literally take the money and RUN and we'd have absolutely no leverage to get it back.

OR, if L-Rider sent all defective products, we're SOL.

It's not like I can call the local Police department and report fraud & theft, cuz I'm not a Chinese citizen and/or I don't live in China.

The risk factor is in the "insane" area. Like playing Russian roulette with 5 hollow-points in a 6 round chamber and standing in the middle of a mine field!!

Cuz even if we were lucky enough to get the goods, somebody's gonna get dud, if not many!?

Their refusal to accept secured funds tells me several things.

1. They're not confident in their manufacturing/staff/product to warrant a product inspection period (as is with Escrow) prior to receiving payment.

2. They won't accept Paypal, which is a reverse secured funds system. Paypal requires a seller to give access to their bank account and credit card information to protect customers from fraud and/or defective products, and in the event of a customer return or partial/full refund. Paypal also freezes the seller's Paypal account from making further transactions until the complaint is resolved.

3. They're using their suppliers and wholesalers (one's that do accept secured funds) to absorb their manufacturing defects and their potentials losses.

Now, I'm not a professional negotiator by trade, but I've had enough experience in negotiations to know when to walk away when I have suspicion of deception. And right now, L-Rider just hasn't given me enough information to feel even a little bit confident or secure for sending them an unsecured wire transfer, as the CEO wouldn't even give me a reason for Escrow refusal....that's not good. Denial of Paypal is understandable for many reasons, mainly the seller having to absorb the fees. But refusing Escrow, where we would absorb the fees, is a red-flag of deception....somewhere?

I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

 

[LilyBear]

im with you about being careful but let us know what we can do to make this work if you need to have us pay to you in the end it seems like most are in with that i know i am. I know this is a lot to take on and thank you for doing it for us i hope it all works out in the end! (i would like other than black if its possible also for anyone keeping track ! but i would be happy with whatever we work out)

 

[Shekinahsgroom]

hey Shek. I'm a bit confused (old) as to what we could possibly be getting. Are you dealing for just the battery tube or will this be a kit? (tube, battery etc.) Personally I'm in for anything you're willing to do for us.

I'm negotiating MANY options for everyone.

L-Rider normally would ONLY sell an LT kit for their base price, and then reduce the price with very large orders.

But when long-term product interest combined with a large up front order is present, negotiations of custom requests opens up many more options. Like being able to get JUST the LT for $20 (not the kit), or customized parts like anodized aluminum end caps, custom paint or special name brand batteries for example.

 

[Paislia]

Yes, Shek, that CEO not giving you a reason is what would turn away my interest too. It's not that they don't accept one form or another of secured pmt, it's that so far they haven't accepted ANY form of secured pmt. . . . things that make you go "hmmm".

Also, I didn't say it before, but for the count, I am interested in the 18350 with extention if that ends up in the possibilities. If it ends up being dropped, I'll go with the 18650.

 

[Blakd]

You are correct in your thinking. If l-rider is the supplier of all the companies selling these then they should have a system in place that the resalers use. A resaler would not send payments via wire transfer unless they were going to purposely rip off the customer.

The biggest issue here is if this did happen we would be ordering around 300 to 400 units which is probably the same or more than most resalers will buy at a single time. The company would be in bad shape if half those units did not work. They would need to replace them and eat shipping and bad reviews about the company. Unfortunately the company in question is unwilling to work with individuals in a group buy scenario where it benefits both parties .

I am not saying to give up but if they are not willing to negotiate on the transfer of funds for a product then they might not be the best choice of company to business with.


Just my two cents.......

 

[Shekinahsgroom]

Do they come in chrome, with black end caps? If not, do they come in chrome? I can paint the ends.

So, what does BLAM mean?

 

[Bahiaboy]

Could it be the case that a US vendor has intervened in attempt to thwart your plans,looking at the numbers the normal retail value of this order would be in excess of $21,000 !!!!
I admire what you are attempting though and the best of luck to you all !!

 

[Shekinahsgroom]

sarsi, The two models are identical except for the length. The smaller of the two does have an extension available for it so you're able to use the longer battery if you wish. Both units are VV.

Incorrect Bigtiime.

The mini LT does NOT have an extension available!!

Is was part of my negotiations to have L-Rider custom make one for us.

Or an option of having a local machine shop contract to build one for us, was/is also a very good possibility.

 

[Shekinahsgroom]

Could it be the case that a US vendor has intervened in attempt to thwart your plans,looking at the numbers the normal retail value of this order would be in excess of $21,000 !!!!
I admire what you are attempting though and the best of luck to you all !!

Unlikely....it's just how some Chinese manufacturers do business.

 

[salemgold]

Could it be the case that a US vendor has intervened in attempt to thwart your plans,looking at the numbers the normal retail value of this order would be in excess of $21,000 !!!!
I admire what you are attempting though and the best of luck to you all !!

I wondered if this might happen from the start. I have been involved in a coop where exactly this happened with a Chinese Manufacturer before. Matter of fact, that same company will only sell to suppliers now since a few suppliers complained.

Edit- I am inclined to think that this is not the case here though since they are still willing to sell to us if we paid through transfer

 

[bigtiime]

Incorrect Bigtiime.

The mini LT does NOT have an extension available!!

Is was part of my negotiations to have L-Rider custom make one for us.

Or an option of having a local machine shop contract to build one for us, was/is also a very good possibility.

I stand corrected.

 

[txtumbleweed]

I'm negotiating MANY options for everyone.

L-Rider normally would ONLY sell an LT kit for their base price, and then reduce the price with very large orders.

But when long-term product interest combined with a large up front order is present, negotiations of custom requests opens up many more options. Like being able to get JUST the LT for $20 (not the kit), or customized parts like anodized aluminum end caps, custom paint or special name brand batteries for example.

Just the LT for 20.00 would be great for me because that is all I want anyways even for 30.00 I would take one. That would still be half price. My LT from Volcano arrived today and so far is working good.

 

[Keeno]

With the potential reasons behind not accepting secured funds and no definitive reason given by the CEO for not accepting those secured funds makes me question if there is any reason to put any more effort/time into this buy if this particular company is the only option.....just my personal thoughts on being involved.

 

[araczynski]

thanks for trying at least. i think also part of the problem is that china works in the old communist way of every palm having to be greased.

 

[Shekinahsgroom]

With the potential reasons behind not accepting secured funds and no definitive reason given by the CEO for not accepting those secured funds makes me question if there is any reason to put any more effort/time into this buy if this particular company is the only option.....just my personal thoughts on being involved.

Well before you jump off the boat Keeno, make sure that the ride you on is sinking!

Or some of us may throw you a life jacket and restart the engine....

Babye Keeno, we'll see ya Lavaland!

 

[ChellyNelly]

thanks for trying at least. i think also part of the problem is that china works in the old communist way of every palm having to be greased.

Unless I missed something big, he is still trying, albeit with a different company.

I'm still all in for 2 regulars

 

[Keeno]

The effort I very much appreciate...