Co-Workers think vaping is worse... but I don't

[porkchop_express]

These are some handy links I have referenced in the past:

A recent study confirming that vaping is less toxic than smoking.
Carbonyl Compunds Study

A site devoted to analyzing data from ecig studies.
Ecig Research

A study confirming that direct, and second hand vaping, is far safer than smoking.
Indoor Air

Many studies and followup analyses can be found by searching google for things like "electronic cigarette formaldehyde" or "ecig acrolein study". The information is available, though not always for free. Enough studies have been done to make a fair estimate of vapor safety vs smoke. Anyone who tells me that ecigs are worse better come with facts, because I will press them to prove their point.

 

[porkchop_express]

I'd just offer that there are 4000 chemicals in tobacco smoke, 599 that are additives, and at least 69 that are known to cause cancer. My ecig's juice contains PG, VG, flavorings, water, and nicotine. All except nicotine are in foods, drinks, and cosmetics like toothpaste and are FDA approved for human consumption.
Cigarette Ingredients - Chemicals in Cigarettes

To be fair, comparing smoke to liquid is just confirmation bias. You inhale vapor, so that is what needs to be studied. The heat used to vaporize eliquid creates different copmounds, thus vapor does contain toxic substances even if the liquid doesn't.

That said, every study I have read confirms that the amount of toxic substances in vapor are orders of magnitude less than smoke.

 

[CabinetGuyScott]

It's safer, but new data says it's not as safe as previously thought by some http://www. iflscience. com/health-and-medicine/studies-reveal-health-risks-e-cigarettes

This piece of scare-mongering writing sure is getting lots of hits... 3rd time I've seen it this morning.

Please review this thread before citing that article for its supposed "facts" and "objective" content:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/media-general-news/587551-ifls-writes-article-about-e-cigs.html

You really have to understand the fallacies of the primary study that cited in order to know that the circumstance that caused the higher reading is NOT real-world .

Another good source of information is to read the 1300+ comments to the article itself!

 

[CabinetGuyScott]

It's safer, but new data says it's not as safe as previously thought by some http://www. iflscience. com/health-and-medicine/studies-reveal-health-risks-e-cigarettes

This piece of scare-mongering writing sure is getting lots of hits... 3rd time I've seen it this morning.

Please review this thread before citing that article for its supposed "facts" and "objective" content:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo.../587551-ifls-writes-article-about-e-cigs.html

You really have to understand the fallacies of the primary study that cited in order to know that the circumstance that caused the higher reading is NOT real-world .

Another good source of information is to read the 1300+ comments to the article itself!

 

[DaveP]

It's worth the time for all of us to read this study by Drexel University. Components of vapor are listed and rated by PPM. Comments compare those levels to what we encounter in public when we breathe the air in a typical metropolitan community. It's the results of testing done on 5000 vapers over several years.

If you are into the bottom line, at least examine the charts on pages 16,17, and 18 where spectrographic analysis of the vapor is listed. TLV is "Threshold Limit Value". TLV is a number greater than 1 in most if not all of the tests. The actual measured levels in the vaper were almost all listed typically on the right side of the decimal point in hundredths and thousandths of the TLV.

Peering through the mist:
What does the chemistry of contaminants in electronic cigarettes tell us about health risks?

Igor Burstyn, PhD
Department of Environmental and Occupational Health School of Public Health Drexel University
1505 Race St., Mail Stop #1034
Philadelphia, PA 19102 USA


http://publichealth.drexel.edu/~/media/files/publichealth/ms08.pdf

 

[DaveP]

To be fair, comparing smoke to liquid is just confirmation bias. You inhale vapor, so that is what needs to be studied. The heat used to vaporize eliquid creates different copmounds, thus vapor does contain toxic substances even if the liquid doesn't.

That said, every study I have read confirms that the amount of toxic substances in vapor are orders of magnitude less than smoke.

You must have already seen the Drexel Study I posted. Yes, we inhale vapor and heat does generate compounds. What we inhale is mist droplets, not nicotine coated ash particles as cigarettes produce. You are right in saying the ecig vapor produces toxins that are magnitudes lower than that of combustible tobacco. That, to me is the point.

The good part is that the testing shows the presence of harmful components that are roughly equal to what we inhale every day in the air we breathe as we move around in the outside air. With burning tobacco the numbers are off the charts.

 

[CMD-Ky]

I have no doubt that your co-workers all have the educational background sufficient so that their "thoughts" are the thoughts to which we should all pay rapt attention, perhaps even change our entire lives in deference to their wisdom. Ignorance will always speak its mind, wisdom, perhaps less.

Shrug, my co-workers which a lot of them smoke, have told me vaping is worse than regular cigs.
But I have quit smoking cigs.. been almost 5 weeks and haven't felt better in (lung wise) as I do now in quite a while.

Just saying
started a blu.. not so great.. (dunno)
then to a e-cig(brand) (dunno)
then to a emode joytech (16mg)
then to a joytech evic (16mg)
then and now to a blackbox (16mg-12mg zeus, Virgin vapor) (my work carry)
and I have a king clone mod and a stillare v2 clone dripper (at .2 ohm dual micro coil) (home only 3mg juice.. coffee and a 3mg mango juice)
and about to try to build on a SS kracken tank on a kato hammer...

 

[JerryScully]

It can be worse. When you read what toxins and poisons they put in cigarette I really doubt ecigs it can be worse. But you know, colleagues talk for nothing sometimes

 

[AngiBe]

I have to admit, while i was still smoking years ago and my sister in law tried ecigs, I was one of those that said "hey, that's worse than smoking"

Part of the reason why I said it was because I read or saw on TV something that said it was worse and partly because I didn't want to give up smokes, The part I saw on TV I've learned was a very old study with 100% Chinese liquids and gear (old school and not even used any more). So I've learned to ask a LOT of questions-who is doing the study, what gear, what coils, what liquid..in other words, is it even a valid test. Or is it done to scare people and not even legitimate testing?

Those who don't know about vaping will take some random test at face value without knowing facts.

 

[mazdajdavis]

Complete BS enough research has been done now, ive been vaping for 4 years. In the beginning there wasn't much info not so now. Vaping especially if you don't buy pre packaged Asian juices has been PROVEN to be MUCH safer than analogs. Just use common sense, your not inhaling paper, plant material, plus all the additives. Vaporizers for ........., which don't actually burn the material have been proven to be better for you and thats just buy heating not burning plant material. So remove the plant material completely and of course its better for you. Its just vegetable oil, propylene glycol, food based flavor, and nicotine. None of those materials is harmful when inhaled. Nicotine has the normal constriction of blood vessels, but is not cancerous. Its so much better than analogs its undisputible at this point. The only negative is nicotines well known effects. Now this is only good juice that really only contains the ingredients listed, so buy good juice never sealed prepackaged stuff. I buy from Freedom Smoke USA which is here locally in Tucson Az. They are extremely popular and ship all over the country, i think even globally. All juice is made to order and you control all mixture amounts. Just Google it, its no longer a debate.

 

[mkbilbo]

Shrug, my co-workers which a lot of them smoke, have told me vaping is worse than regular cigs.

Translation: "I don't WANNA quit smoking!"

People rationalize all the time. Shrug?

I've had a few sneer at vaping. I just keep going. Some have come back later, carting an eGo.

 

[gelgoog]

are your co workers young or older? hell when i was in my 20s. i could smoke, drink, party as much as i want. you are bullet proof when you are young. not so much when you get older.

 

[MykOne]

If it's worse then why do I feel better ?

when I smoked I was always tired, always coughing, short of breath, tightness of chest, smelled like a ash tray and my anxiety attacks were worse....

I don't feel any of that anymore like I did the last few times I quit smoking I felt much better... smoking is definitely a lot worse

studies show that 99% of studies are made up to sway opinion... Im sure the tobacco industry pays for a lot of those studies in their favor

 

[MissBlue]

Co-Workers think vaping is worse... but I don't.

You are right and they are wrong. You can either attempt to engage them in an informed conversation or not, depending on your mood or interest level. When I'm approached by someone who's curious, asking questions and expressing interest, I respond and engage in discussion about it. Other times I have zero patience; if it's an ignorant noseybody with attitude, knowing nothing but having only negative things to say and quacking the LOUDEST in their ignorance, all bets are off, LOL. All depends on the mood of the moment and how they approach me. but either way I'm content in the knowledge that I know what the facts are, and it doesn't really matter to me what others think. I also know that even before I started vaping, I didn't automatically believe what I heard on the TV news ... so from jump, people who smugly cite that as 'what they heard', get even less slack from me when they use that as their 'informed opinion'. LOL.

So where can I get the facts so I can ease my husband's fears?

the internet. we have a veritable encyclopedia of ALL known information in the universe, all at our disposal for the price of typing a few words and clicking 'enter'. I'm not trying to be snippy - but there is information EVERYWHERE, it takes very little effort to find it.

14 Electronic Cigarette Studies That Shame the Critics - ChurnMag

The Ultimate List of E-Cig Studies: Are E-Cigs Actually Safe? *Updated 2/16/14 » onVaping

Electronic Cigarettes vs. Nicorette Quickmist » The Electronic Cigarette Buyers Guide

 

[vertigo18]

Ranges..16-60s, I am in the middle, well leaning to the end.. haha 43..
As a matter of fact, is that I am selling my boss my joytech emode tomorrow and giving my mom the other!!
How about that, tho, my boss is British... I guess I'll have to find him some juice that tastes like Earl Grey Tea with cream!! lol (serious)

 

[Slots]

The FDA has basically already approved e-cigs and they don't even know it.

E-Cigarettes Versus Nicorette Quickmist | Ecig Advanced News

 

[keepsmiling]

the internet. we have a veritable encyclopedia of ALL known information in the universe, all at our disposal for the price of typing a few words and clicking 'enter'. I'm not trying to be snippy - but there is information EVERYWHERE, it takes very little effort to find it.

14 Electronic Cigarette Studies That Shame the Critics - ChurnMag

The Ultimate List of E-Cig Studies: Are E-Cigs Actually Safe? *Updated 2/16/14 » onVaping

Electronic Cigarettes vs. Nicorette Quickmist » The Electronic Cigarette Buyers Guide

Thank you.Wasn't trying to be lazy.Sometimes people may know of one specific bit of good info that may be hard to sift through. I appreciate the links.

 

[keepsmiling]

please keep your theories to yourself on how safe or unsafe vaping is.

Wow... nice...

 

[mkbilbo]

The FDA has basically already approved e-cigs and they don't even know it.

E-Cigarettes Versus Nicorette Quickmist | Ecig Advanced News

But... but... IT HAS ANTIFREEZE IN IT!!!!

AAAIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

 

[porkchop_express]

But... but... IT HAS ANTIFREEZE IN IT!!!!

AAAIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

I heard that load of crap this past weekend. From a really intelligent person too. Yet he rolled his eyes when I explained PG. Yeah, keep on smoking and eating bigmacs and feel good about your superiority.