Coffee flavor?

[liveone]

I tried coffee extraction last night finally.

I ground up some fresh espresso blend beans in my mazzer mini. Just left the ground settings as I would normally grind for a double espresso. Filled up a glass 30ml bottle half way then filled with pg. Then I put on the cap, swished it around to fully saturate the grounds, then filled back up to the top with pg.

Microwaved for 10 seconds, then let sit in hot water for 20 minutes. Brought out a coffee filter to drain into a cup, then left it overnight since it dripped so slowly. In the morning, I quickly filtered it again in a less dense paper tea filter.

I ended up with 15ml of very dark coffee flavoring. It's completely opaque. It occurred to me that most people haven't used such a finely ground coffee. I hope it doesn't taste over extracted and bitter. I will try to mix a 5ml batch later tonight.

 

[Gloria]

Wanting to resurrect this thread as I just got around to trying the extraction last night and would like to hear from others who are more experienced with this method.

And hopefully by sharing this, someone can get a chuckle at my expense. If so, it'll be worth the mess I made.

In order for you to get the full impact of my little adventure in coffee extraction, I have to preface this by relaying that my husband is **cough-analretentive-cough** about keeping the floors clean. In other words, you had better remove your shoes when entering our home and for heaven's sake don't walk around barefoot, it leaves oily footprints on the tile and hardwood. His idea of a great gift would be a new swiffer or a carpet steam cleaner (which my daughter actually gave him for Father's Day). His Mom says she doesn't know how he got this way. LOL

So...I half filled a 30mil glass bottle with some Starbucks Kona coffee a friend had given to me. Filled it to the top with PG. Microwaved for 10 seconds. Let sit for 15. Topped off with PG (although it was still almost full). Hot bath for 20 minutes. Then into the coffee filter that was clipped to a large coffee mug.

Without really thinking, I decided to take it upstairs to my office to let it drip overnight. On my way up the stairs, the large clip slipped off of the cup and the coffee filter along with its glorious black, gooey contents fell out of the cup onto the light beige carpet. Good grieeeeef!!!

It wasn't long before hubby comes along and asks what I'm doing on the stairs. Suffice it to say... seeing Kona coffee grounds mixed with PG spilled on his carpet was NOT one of his happier moments.

After making a 2nd batch....on to my results.

Maybe I did something wrong, or the grounds weren't fine enough for this process, but I wasn't really able to taste the coffee much even at 20% in VG. So I just dripped it straight onto the atty and it was pretty good. I think that even 50% would be weak to me.

Do you think that the grind of the coffee is the cause of it being so weak? The grounds didn't really seem to soak up the PG after the 10 seconds in the microwave. The level of PG was about the same after heating. Is that what happens when you do it?

I'll be trying it again with another type of coffee to see if there is a difference in strength. Thanks in advance for any input that you may have.

 

[Mdemon]

Just let it steep longer. I usually steep 3 days to a week or more at least.
I likes me coffee strong lol

 

[SteveD3]

So, I'm wondering what I did wrong here.

I tried this method with Folgers first, it created a somewhat off smelling coffee extract. It tasted ok when mixed and vaped, but not like coffee.

A day later I tried it again with Millstone Caramel Truffle. This smells better, but has no flavor at all. After I mixed the extract, I tested it in an eGo-C with a new tank, and new standard & low resistance atty. As I mentioned, no flavor. I tried it in a Vision v2. Nothing.

Extracts tested and mixed at 10, 15, 20, 30% flavor. It smells great, but that's about it. One bottle of the Folgers I mixed with Marshmallow and Bavarian Cream from Lorann. It was ok, but tasted like popcorn.

Nicotine targeted for 18mg (started with a 50% PG / 50% VG mix of 36mg), by using a 60/40 PG/VG ratio on Folgers & 70/30 PG/VG on the Millstone.

I stopped after 8 test batches essentially failed. I have plenty of PG/VG, nicotine (20oz @ 36mg), and bottles. Near unlimited access to coffee. Any help or advice for the n00b would be greatly appreciated.

In return, I offer the universal Internet currency.

 

[buffaloguy]

If you arent getting flavor its likely you arent keeping it hot enough during the steeping process. I use a pyrex beaker and a pan of boiling water. As the water comes to a rolling boil I remove it from the heat and let it cool for only 2 minutes.

I then add 50 ml of pg, 2 level tablespoons of coffee (any), to the beaker, and then put the beaker in the hot water. I let it steep 15 minutes, take the beaker out. (a pyrex bowl or dish will accomplish the same thing, just be sure its heat safe. I find extracting inside bottles is a PITA)

Reboil the water, let it sit 2 minutes then add the beaker back for 15 mins. At this point use you best judgement. If the extract is looking very light I add a lil more coffee grounds. However, I do this steeping process one more time and steeping is done. A total of three times in very hot water is all I find I need to do.

To strain use a funnel and put a coffee filter inside it. Set it over a clear glass, and add the still warm grounds and pg to strain. Since its still warm it will strain easier. However I let it strain for several hours.

Now in my case I hold the glass containing my extract up to a bright light and check for any sediment or particulate. I dont want my attys exposed to that. If there is ANY visible particulate I strain the extracted liquid alone (not with the grounds again) through a clean coffee filter after washing and drying the funnel.

This is my tried and true never fail method for extracting all kinds of things. Coffee, tea, herbs, either dried or fresh.

Fruit doesnt work, dont try it, dont ask me... lmao. It a whole diff convo.

BTW, this method is the one I use through the wonderful advice and expiriments done by others in this thread, and I thank you all.

 

[denali_41]

health cabin has a flavoring "caramel mocha" that has a very distinct restaurant style coffee flavor

 

[SteveD3]

If you arent getting flavor its likely you arent keeping it hot enough during the steeping process. <snip epic instructions from post #265>

Thanks for the help! I did exactly as you instructed. I checked before the 3rd steeping. It looked liked brewed coffee, so I didn't add any additional. Right now, it is filtering, so I will leave it sit for a few hours. It's about 7:00 p.m. now, so I will check it at about 10-11.

I'm hopeful that this will work better. It looks and smells like the real deal. I'm using Millstone Chocolate Velvet, and unlike the previous attempts, I actually started to smell the coffee as it steeped this time.

Will follow-up and let you know how it turns out. Thanks again!

-Steve

 

[buffaloguy]

Glad I could help. I am sure it'll work out for you. If not, maybe I have some kind of vodoo cause thats what I do time after time.

 

[SteveD3]

Glad I could help. I am sure it'll work out for you. If not, maybe I have some kind of vodoo cause thats what I do time after time.

It did, and it didn't. The extract was richer, and had more scent and flavor than before. However, when mixed it didn't turn out so well. I'm thinking maybe I just need to experiment with ratios at this point. I'll need to invest in some extra tanks to test or some attys for dripping first however. Thanks again for the help!

-Steve

 

[buffaloguy]

Well what was wrong with it when you mixed it? Elaborate, maybe we can help?

 

[SteveD3]

Sorry for the delay. When I mixed it, it either had no flavor, or it tasted like an ashtray, depending on the ratio. This is with and without nicotine in the mix. I used straight PG, so maybe I need to use VG or a mix of the two. I need to order more supplies and just experiment it seems.

-Steve

 

[Mdemon]

What percentages did you mix at?

 

[SteveD3]

I used Breaktru Software's calc.

20% (.6 ml) PG Coffee Extract (Millstone)
37.33% (1.12ml ) nic juice (50/50 mix @ 48mg down to 18mg)
1.33% (.04 ml) PG
41.33% (1.24 ml) VG

The sample set was a 3ml bottle. I tried adding one drop at a time of the coffee after that. However, I wasn't dripping, I was using the eGo-C tanks (Type A). So I would mix, fill, test, repeat w/ a new tank.

On a whim I increased the size to 10ml, but the results were the same.

 

[buffaloguy]

I use an ego-c, a type. Sr attys for regular vaping daily. I use 510 attys and drip for testing. Generally I find that if it is tasting like an ashtray or dirty/caustic (homemade coffee extracts can do that at too high concentration) at 20% that means the extract is good and strong and you need to use less. Btw, overflavoring sometimes means you wont taste it at all as in the case of the lemons I tried to extract (nightmares... *shudders*).

Less is more. Make three batches in 3ml size. 3%, 5%, 7% flavoring. I bet you hit it around 6-10% flavoring.

Try this recipe of mine as an example. You can swap in just about any coffee extract: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/e-liquid-recipes/285221-morning-coffee.html

 

[Mdemon]

Yep all what buffaloguy said. Beat me to it
20% sounds a bit high. Maybe make 3 batches at 5%, 10% & 15% & see which tastes closest to a good taste. You can then combine part batches to zero in the taste eg. 10% too weak 15% too strong then mix equal parts 10% & 15% & taste at 12.5%.

If you'd like to drip, you can do it just with the ego-c attys. Just remove the atty spike like if you're gonna clean em but leave the spike off & use it with the coil exposed. It's a small atty so just use 1 drop (or .03ml from a syringe) for best results & you'll get a good 5-6 toots without flooding the atty.

 

[SteveD3]

So, I mixed 3, 5, 7, 10, and 15%. I didn't have any of the FA flavors, so I just used the coffee, and added the percentage based on what the calculator said. When I dripped, the ashtray taste was gone, and I could smell and taste coffee with each batch, nothing too strong and not up to what I was expecting.

However, after reading several posts, I'm going to let these sit for a day or so and try them again. I've gotten a solid source for bulk 18mg nicotine in any concentrate I need, so I will start again if need be next week once I get the order placed.

Again, thanks for helping the noobie out. If anything, I now have a solid set of things NOT to do.

 

[buffaloguy]

Im glad we could help. Remember, sometimes too much flavor makes too much of a bad thing! To get to the sweet spot for you and your palatte, start low. Thats the best advice I ever read from the ecf diy veterans and it always solves most problems when dialing in flavor percentages.

 

[wizard10000]

I work in straight VG so I probably use a little more extract than most but I mix at 25% and let the batch steep for at least a week before I vape it.

I have two 50ml bottles I use - I vape from one while the other is steeping - and when I empty the first one I make another one; that way I've always got something that's steeped for awhile. I find steeping this stuff makes a heck of a lot of difference in the final product.

 

[Uma]

Wow what a thread! Thanks to all the posters for their hard work and dedication. I hope to begin a batch soon of zero-nic for direct dripping til I get the feel of it.

I don't want to use sweeteners if I can help it, so I bought the Tazmanian TeaBerry beans to add to the Italian Coffee beans. In real life, we do this to cut the acidity of the rich coffees when we're trying to adjust without sugar or honey. I hope this works with the extraction too and if anyone has a tip about doing so, I'd really appreciate the sharing of said tip and of any tips for that matter.

Wish me luck.

Bumping the thread back into everyone's subscription email. Come out and play! The coffee's ready.

 

[~Sue~Feb2012]

Ha...listen to Donna on that one. That stuff is crazy strong. First time I mixed it at 20%. Holy crap was it bad. Like about to hurl bad. I do 1 drop per 10ml now.
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Same thing with TPA Carmel Capp..it smells too strong... I can smell the UNopened bottle across the room and have been afraid to try it in a vape LOL I'll try just one drop in 10 ml and see how that goes. Thanks for the tip!