Cold maceration of tobacco

[Maurice Pudlo]

If you have leftover plants from this year, store them for 1 year min., and it will be much better then.
Not to hard really, mainly make sure the plants don't mold from being too wet.
Too dry really won't hurt cause you're not gonna smoke it, hopefully

I think the trick is to actually induce a fermentation, that's the idea of curing as I understand it. The drying process is easy. The leaf bunch I used was quite dry, but not cured. If you were to use it as cigarette tobacco I would think it would have been a bit harsh.

Today is day 26 for the PG soak, almost to the one month mark... It'll not get tossed and I will try to do something with it even if it is just as a flavoring back note. I need to find a good cigar that's available local.

Maurice

 

[Heabob]

I think the trick is to actually induce a fermentation, that's the idea of curing as I understand it. The drying process is easy. The leaf bunch I used was quite dry, but not cured. If you were to use it as cigarette tobacco I would think it would have been a bit harsh.

Today is day 26 for the PG soak, almost to the one month mark... It'll not get tossed and I will try to do something with it even if it is just as a flavoring back note. I need to find a good cigar that's available local.

Maurice

Curing does not have to be that fussy unless it's for smoking.
Less important, but somewhat important, lol.
If picking green leaves it's gonna be a pain.
Pick only yellow leaves from bottom of plant as they "ripen", it's a head start for "color curing".
Then they need to hang for like 6 weeks.
Watched some u-tube videos from a guy, Bill, in Minnesota, was very informative.

Probably easier to just buy pre-cured from leafonly dot com.
They got some Organic Virginia that sounds good to me.
But they won't do MC on internet orders, so gotta call them.
5-6 bucks for 1/4 pound + shipping is not to bad really.

Note: Think that the fermentation thing is only done with certain tobacco types tho.

 

[Maurice Pudlo]

Curing does not have to be that fussy unless it's for smoking.
Less important, but somewhat important, lol.
If picking green leaves it's gonna be a pain.
Pick only yellow leaves from bottom of plant as they "ripen", it's a head start for "color curing".
Then they need to hang for like 6 weeks.
Watched some u-tube videos from a guy, Bill, in Minnesota, was very informative.

Probably easier to just buy pre-cured from leafonly dot com.
They got some Organic Virginia that sounds good to me.
But they won't do MC on internet orders, so gotta call them.
5-6 bucks for 1/4 pound + shipping is not to bad really.

Note: Think that the fermentation thing is only done with certain tobacco types tho.

That's pretty much the method I used, picked the leaves as they started to yellow, strung them up on fishing line to dry in my basement for well over 6 weeks, the bunch I did turned out very pretty to look at. The smell was nice but not particularly strong or clearly tobacco.

I will look into planting a darker tobacco next go around.

Maurice

 

[Sl4gathor]

Just tried my mix, I mixed 20% 70/30 PG/VG last night,
I then put it and a Hangsen Turkish in a zip lock bag, filled my thermos with 140°F water and let the juice sit in it over night,
just dripped some into my Kayfun with fresh wick, and wow, even with cheap RYO baccy, this is DAUM good on its own, it blows the heat extracted NET I made right out of the water......

HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY!!!!!!

I am sure it isnt as good as some of the fancy tobaccos you guys use, which I will eventually try, but it's all mine and WT!!!!!!

Thankls again for all the infos in this thread.......

 

[Heabob]

Just tried my mix, I mixed 20% 70/30 PG/VG last night,
I then put it and a Hangsen Turkish in a zip lock bag, filled my thermos with 140°F water and let the juice sit in it over night,
just dripped some into my Kayfun with fresh wick, and wow, even with cheap RYO baccy, this is DAUM good on its own, it blows the heat extracted NET I made right out of the water......

HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY!!!!!!

I am sure it isnt as good as some of the fancy tobaccos you guys use, which I will eventually try, but it's all mine and WT!!!!!!

Thankls again for all the infos in this thread.......

Good deal, if "you" like it that's all that really matters...

 

[regal55]

For filtering at a medium volume this works great. First two times thru stuff the bottom /14 with rayon, then the final a circle cut of 5 micron felt. This builds tones of pressure and doesn't have the lip on the bottom and wastes less than a French press:

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I'm getting filtering close to MJV with the same tobacco.

 

[Ian444]

Ha, you been reading the same threads Regal, I spotted someone suggesting that the other day and have one on my evilbay watch list
I'm going for one with slightly different "handles" which should be easier on the hands, if I end up going that way. I already have a French press but my samples are so small, I'm only doing 3 or 5gm tobacco samples for now until I work out my final method.

I filtered some 3 month old cigar macerations yesterday, the extract is definitely stronger than the one month macerations of the same cigar I did previously, but I won't know if its actually *better* to do the longer maceration until some mixed juice has steeped for 2 months. I have some Peter Stokkebye Luxury Navy Flake thats been in for 2 months that I will filter very soon. Also the McClelland Classic Virginia 2010 that I thought was pretty ordinary a week or two ago is finally starting to come around after 6 to 7 weeks steeping, or maybe its also my taste buds, never was a pipe smoker in the past (but I love pipe tobacco vapes now).

 

[regal55]

Ha, you been reading the same threads Regal, I spotted someone suggesting that the other day and have one on my evilbay watch list
I'm going for one with slightly different "handles" which should be easier on the hands, if I end up going that way. I already have a French press but my samples are so small, I'm only doing 3 or 5gm tobacco samples for now until I work out my final method.

I filtered some 3 month old cigar macerations yesterday, the extract is definitely stronger than the one month macerations of the same cigar I did previously, but I won't know if its actually *better* to do the longer maceration until some mixed juice has steeped for 2 months. I have some Peter Stokkebye Luxury Navy Flake thats been in for 2 months that I will filter very soon. Also the McClelland Classic Virginia 2010 that I thought was pretty ordinary a week or two ago is finally starting to come around after 6 to 7 weeks steeping, or maybe its also my taste buds, never was a pipe smoker in the past (but I love pipe tobacco vapes now).

I dreamed up the idea to use the hot plate with a pot for a water bath. I knew the old lady wouldn't dig it but you can control the temp really easy and it hold any where from 110F to 160F. I think heat is essential, one thing we learned in Physical Chemistry is things move faster with heat.

Besides Vaperites award winner VR4 I can make all the vape I want DIY now. That will save the money a throw at Kanger dual coils. I'm just not kut out for building Kaylites always taste the wick burning. If I could figure that out this would be a cheap hobby.

 

[Ian444]

Billherbst posted recently he mostly uses Evods (single coil I think, and rebuildable) for NET's, definitely worth a try. For me a bottom feeder and RDA with cotton wick is the silver bullet.

 

[johni]

Billherbst posted recently he mostly uses Evods (single coil I think, and rebuildable) for NET's, definitely worth a try. For me a bottom feeder and RDA with cotton wick is the silver bullet.

I'm with you Ian. Reo, RDA, and cotton wick is my best setup for NETs. I look for the least complicated, drama free, and economical means to achieve my desired results and that's a big part of why I started doing room temp soaks and drip filtration.

 

[boomerdude]

The Evod 2 dual-coil is really good. Easy to burn off the coils and so far I'm still using the original coil after a month of almost daily use.

Billherbst posted recently he mostly uses Evods (single coil I think, and rebuildable) for NET's, definitely worth a try. For me a bottom feeder and RDA with cotton wick is the silver bullet.

 

[Maurice Pudlo]

That's pretty much the method I used, picked the leaves as they started to yellow, strung them up on fishing line to dry in my basement for well over 6 weeks, the bunch I did turned out very pretty to look at. The smell was nice but not particularly strong or clearly tobacco.

I will look into planting a darker tobacco next go around.

Maurice

Today is one month so the filtering process begins; I went about it by draining the easily strained liquid through a fine mesh drink strainer, then I scooped out the remaining soaked tobacco and pressed it using of all things a garlic press (worked beautifully by the way).

I am now waiting on this pre-filtered liquid to pass through a brown coffee filter as my second to final stage of filtration.

My last stage will be to simply allow any remaining sediment to fall out of suspension and draw off the sediment free liquid.

Out of interest in doing something different I took the pressed tobacco that remained and have it soaking in vodka, I plan to strain and press this in a month then attempt to evaporate the alcohol to see what if anything is extracted.

Maurice

 

[regal55]

I'm with you Ian. Reo, RDA, and cotton wick is my best setup for NETs. I look for the least complicated, drama free, and economical means to achieve my desired results and that's a big part of why I started doing room temp soaks and drip filtration.

I found just the opposite an aerotank with a kanger coils lasts 3x-5x longer than a KLF build.

 

[Maurice Pudlo]

Just finished up with the coffee filter stage, it is amazing how much sediment settling occurred just in the time it took the PG to make its way through the filter.

On a lighter note, the vodka secondary extraction seems to be doing something as the vodka is already dark.

Maurice

 

[Bunnykiller]

Just finished up with the coffee filter stage, it is amazing how much sediment settling occurred just in the time it took the PG to make its way through the filter.

On a lighter note, the vodka secondary extraction seems to be doing something as the vodka is already dark.

Maurice

this sounds promising... I have saved all of my tobaccos after their "primary" steeping... I was wondering if a second chance may result in a milder batch.... probably have 24 oz of used pipe tobaccos in a large ziplock bag just waiting for another PGA bath

 

[Maurice Pudlo]

this sounds promising... I have saved all of my tobaccos after their "primary" steeping... I was wondering if a second chance may result in a milder batch.... probably have 24 oz of used pipe tobaccos in a large ziplock bag just waiting for another PGA bath

I don't see why it wouldn't be worth a shot, I used vodka simply because I just purchased another bottle to do my DIY cleanup and had just enough left in my last bottle.

Maurice

 

[Bunnykiller]

makes one wonder if there is a saturation point for what we do with tobacco... as in only so much can be extracted from the tobacco into the solvent and then it reaches a point where it wont "pull" any more from the tobacco... but a second go-round can extract whats left

 

[regal55]

Whats the theory behind alcohole extraction. I mean PG seems a much stronger solvent. Is this an attempt to create a cleaner burning NET?

 

[Bunnykiller]

Whats the theory behind alcohole extraction. I mean PG seems a much stronger solvent. Is this an attempt to create a cleaner burning NET?

Since I cant use PG ( severe throat reactions and sinus swelling) I use PGA to extract the goodness. Once the steeping time has expired ( warm 2-3 days or room temp 2-3 weeks) I filter the PGA from the tobacco ( filters quite easily) and then I reduce the volume of the PGA/goodness by about 90% ( evaporation at 140F till reduced) leaving a dark coffie colored hi powered PGA extract. This then gets mixed with VG to produce a honey colored translucent juice, but still strong enuf to add VG nic base to without diluting the flavor and viscosity too much. This results in a cleaner juice with minimal opportunity to gunk up a coil as quickly as a VG steeped batch. Straight VG steeping resulted in a dark heavy almost chocolate syrup consistancy that would trash a coil in minutes... the PGA method I use is so much easier on coils/wicks and still offers great flavor...

here is a picture of 3 different batches done with VG and PGA

VG on left PGA on right

 

[Bunnykiller]

I don't see why it wouldn't be worth a shot, I used vodka simply because I just purchased another bottle to do my DIY cleanup and had just enough left in my last bottle.

Maurice

just got finished loading up a container with the left-overs tobacco, added about 12 oz Everclear to cover, going to let this sit in the crockpot for 24-36 hrs and see what becomes of it... if it smells/tastes good, Ill go thru the trouble of reducing it down to about 2 oz of concentrate and add it to VG and VG nic base to about 20mg/ml total. Will need to see how much flavor will come from this second run. Even after 10 minutes of soaking the Everclear has already taken on a dark tea color... looks like it has potential to produce another batch