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I have been trying to learn as much about batteries as possible. It seems the explosions mostly come from unprotected and also stacked batts. four2109 you said your batts were protected but also had problems with them stacked. So is stacking batts maybe something we should avoid? I have read that using one batt in a PV is the safest if it is a safe chemistry batt or a protected batt. Reason I ask is I am using two mods but each only uses one batt, so has anyone heard of anything exploding or overheating using one batt in a mod? thanks, bnrk

Un fortunately we do NOT know , this appears to be ECF proprietary info at the moment , BUT a single battery has as much chance to be put in a DEAD short situation as stacked batts , because there are 2 batts when stacked they are 2x as likely to have problems , beyond that I have not seen any evidence that stacked batts are any more dangerous than a single battery , I have looked all over for evidence of this from battery MFG and the battery industry !!! this info is NOT there , you see stuff on forums BUT FORUMS are NOT MFG and do NOT have the data ! they have assumptions and conclusions but NO DATA that we know of , THIS includes ALL of the forums I have visited to be clear.
 

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Single battery vv battery overheating, yes. User pulled and tossed it before seeing what would happen (smart move -- don't ignore signs of things going wrong), no harm to the individual. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/provape/275857-my-provari-went-up-smoke.html

Supposed to be one of the safe chemistry batteries, and it wasn't the first use after recharge. Both the battery and the particular APV have excellent reputations. Sometimes Schmidt happens, even with good products.
 
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I have been trying to learn as much about batteries as possible. It seems the explosions mostly come from unprotected and also stacked batts. four2109 you said your batts were protected but also had problems with them stacked. So is stacking batts maybe something we should avoid? I have read that using one batt in a PV is the safest if it is a safe chemistry batt or a protected batt. Reason I ask is I am using two mods but each only uses one batt, so has anyone heard of anything exploding or overheating using one batt in a mod? thanks, bnrk
The only problems I have heard of with a single batt device were a few EGO type batteries that blew the endcap and battery while charging. Still very serious and discounting these as "charging incidents" is moot and irresponsible because they come with a usb charger and I consider a house fire to be as serious as having my teeth knocked out. One of those put a dent in a door 25 feet away and I believe both started fires. Another single battery in a link I posted above caught fire in a woman's coat pocket while she was in a restaurant.
With all of the complaining you read here about the Chinese, they developed a safe and efficient device. They have also tried to address our ever increasing demands for more vapor, throat hit, battery life...
The variety of batteries used in mods has become very complex and when coupled with the various resistance atomizers, comes increased drain on the batteries...
Bottom line in my opinion, if you just want to vape and not become an expert on the battery types, ohms, resistance, wattage, c ratings, drain, and the specifics of the design of the devices, stick to a single battery device, and don't leave batteries to charge unattended.
Edit to add: And don't leave batteries in a hot car or in your pocket with coins, keys, etc.
 
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I have been trying to learn as much about batteries as possible. It seems the explosions mostly come from unprotected and also stacked batts. four2109 you said your batts were protected but also had problems with them stacked. So is stacking batts maybe something we should avoid? I have read that using one batt in a PV is the safest if it is a safe chemistry batt or a protected batt. Reason I ask is I am using two mods but each only uses one batt, so has anyone heard of anything exploding or overheating using one batt in a mod? thanks, bnrk
The idea that using protected stacked batteries is unsafe is hogwash. I have been using stacked batteries for almost 3 years and have had no issues. One battery does not provide the power I need to satisfy my addiction. Once again I am saddened when I hear of someone being hurt while using an e-cig, but proper use and protected batteries will prevent further accidents from happening.

:)Wiz!
 

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And so you've been lucky not to have had a short or other issue. I sincerely hope your charger and device have the safety built in that you have decided to forgo.

What are you trying to accomplish by saying this? Please don't encourage others to follow your lead! At the very least, you could provide specifics on how you've made your use of this battery "safe".

You scare me.
 

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And so you've been lucky not to have had a short or other issue. I sincerely hope your charger and device have the safety built in that you have decided to forgo.

What are you trying to accomplish by saying this? Please don't encourage others to follow your lead! At the very least, you could provide specifics on how you've made your use of this battery "safe".

You scare me.

Well a HH atomizer shorted using that battery , nothing happends :) when in my post i told him (rocketman) or other people to use that battery ? i just say thats what i use regarding the little talking about single batterys (protected or not) , never heard of problems with these batterys or other "quality" cells around so the failure rate is way down i guess ; if you feel a bit safe with protected batterys they sell in that website the same cell with "extra protection" for just 1 dollar more :) those are the best 18650 at these date FOR ME.

Scare ? why man ? the same chances of these doing harm are the same you have , probably my chances are better than the cells you use.
 

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Well a HH atomizer shorted using that battery , nothing happends :) when in my post i told him (rocketman) or other people to use that battery ? i just say thats what i use regarding the little talking about single batterys (protected or not) , never heard of problems with these batterys or other "quality" cells around so the failure rate is way down i guess ; if you feel a bit safe with protected batterys they sell in that website the same cell with "extra protection" for just 1 dollar more :) those are the best 18650 at these date FOR ME.

Scare ? why man ? the same chances of these doing harm are the same you have , probably my chances are better than the cells you use.

You are quite correct (of course) that you were not making a blanket statement that the batteries should be used by anyone. It's pretty easy to read as an endorsement however - I think anyway.

That's really the part that is "scary" to me; Saying you scare me was just a bit dramatic :p

I apologize if that offended you.

IMO, it is a bit irresponsible of anyone to point out that they use an "unprotected battery" in (what I understand) is a purely mechanical tube mod without any sort of additional protection, and without qualifying how or why it is safe to do so. Unless my head's been on backwards for the last however many pages (could be!), the general consensus is that this is not a good idea, particularly in a tube. Aside from your one experience with a short (phew!) do you know of any information supporting your choice do to this as a wise one?

Your post, to me anyway, may imply that them being unprotected doesn't matter, Or at least that your opinion is that this aspect of the batteries' features is to be disregarded as something necessary or even useful.

Now, if you had included information about how these particular batteries are safer due to their heat resistance layer offering protection against shorts, well, then you'd have shared something indicating what is special about these particular batteries, and at least someone would have a clue that it's not OK to use just any "unprotected battery" should they start seeing others saying "I use bla bla unprotected battery too! no issue!"

Yes, everyone has their own responsibility to themselves to get accurate and complete information and that's not your responsibility. I would just suggest that you please try to be as thoughtful as you can about how you share information about what is clearly a dangerous subject.

ETA: Guess what I just realized? Re-reading my own post, particularly concerning the heat resistant layer, I'm kinda doing what I was trying to recommend others to avoid. HA! OK, well, disclaimer then: I don't know if these are safe for vaping :) I simply don't know enough about them. FWIW, there is an otherwise identical protected version of these as well. The heat resistant layer only mentions offering added protection against overheating due to shorts which certainly is a plus, but nothing about over-discharge nor over-charging.
 
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Wolcen i agree with everything you say my man :) but the best advice new people need entering not only in the ecig world but with battery world is that they need to treat with proper respect and responsability ; i see a lot of people buying batterys in the website they buy there mod and they only reason they do so is because they either sell it as a bundle/kit and offer in the shop but almost none take the time to read or search about the batterys they using and how to treat then only that they know when they dead they need to plug in the charger.... theres more to it people :) a example was the user rocketman asking what is the safest battery to stack , if he do a proper search about it he will understand more about the subject and probably make hes own conclusion but asked and all he will get is "i use xxx battery and never a problem/the best" variants hehehe

And no bro i wasnt offended ! you seem to be very nice person to get along !

Ps. Sorry for the english , not my native.
 

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Single battery vv battery overheating, yes. User pulled and tossed it before seeing what would happen (smart move -- don't ignore signs of things going wrong), no harm to the individual. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/provape/275857-my-provari-went-up-smoke.html

Supposed to be one of the safe chemistry batteries, and it wasn't the first use after recharge. Both the battery and the particular APV have excellent reputations. Sometimes Schmidt happens, even with good products.

Thanks for the link. Wow I guess so much is still unknown even when we think we have all the bases covered. Something I started doing is the first hit on a carto I do is not in my mouth, just a 3 second button push warm up away from me. Then if nothing smokes I vape :) It does make me nervous tho about these darn batts. But I don't want to go back to 808's after having a GLV and Provari! Dang I got spoiled. bnrk
 
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Net, a decent PV, with reasonable mix of safe chemistry and/or electronic protections and venting, is still likely a heck of a lot safer than the real hazards of smoking. I'm not talking long term health, but the losses incurred due to cig-related accidents; deaths from fires, property damage, auto accidents from driver getting a burn when smoking while driving (our fumbling to find a dropped lit cig)...

Don't compare accident rates to nominally innocuous things, compare pv accident rates to bad things happening with cigs.

(Separately, the lithium batteries commonly used are nominally good for hundreds of recharges. I wouldn't dispose of them unless their performance dropped significantly or there was some kind of damage.)
 
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This thread started because of the law suit and the user not using the proper batteries.
The model he used was originally marketed to use stacked 3.2 volt cells. There are other mods, mechanical and electrical, without regulation, marketed (sometimes tongue in cheek) to use stacked 3.2 volt cells. So when I asked what cells would "you" stack why didn't those show up in bunch of replies? What, no one wants to stack those cells and overload them?

Why? Afraid of hurting yourself?
6 volt vaping seems to be somewhat popular.

After the January (Colorado) and the February (Florida) events, some, but not all, vendors started removing those cells from their sites. So, what do the owners that previously bought those mods do for 6 volt vaping ? Pick 3.7 volt AW cells, buy the Junk they find at the less scrupulous vendors, or run around town looking for replacements?

All of the safer alternatives suggested would be better, but what was the trend before these two events? And where would you go to get the straight scoop? Maybe ECF?
 
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