Colorado man sues after explosion
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Red flag laden claim?? something you need to understand. You and several others want pictures and the exact batteries used(the e-bay listing number). The reason my attorney told me to keep my mouth shut was because I could be sued if I caused the battery company sales by makig false claims about their batteries. The batteries were not defective they were used in a manner that was not recommended. None the less I contacted the seller and he replaced my batteries. I'm sure buzzkill will confirm, I have not contacted him about replacing my buzz pro as I should not have used those batteries even though he said batteries would not explode in one of his mods due to all the protection that is built in. Unlike the guy from Colorado if I screw up I don't sue someone else for my mistakes.
I would be interested in collecting the $5,000 bet that buzzkill offered saying nobody from ECF cold explode batteries in a buzz pro though.
I will offer ECF a $5,000 bet that they cannot blow up a Buzz Pro or Ipro ( explode with out gassing IF it happens ) with out using water or crushing it, if they can I will pay them $5k !
If they cannot then have to post the results and offer a retraction of the blanket statement about 2 cell mods and DEFINE IT ! as the FACTS dictate not what they THINK. AND pay me $5k
Might get canned for this but hey WTF I stand behind my design 100% and will put my $ where my mouth is.
Your turn ECF and Roly
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I think we all need to face the facts. these batteries we use in all ecigs, even IMR can fail, even the AW dealers tell us these batteries have alot of power and need careful handling. Blaming people is just not cutting it. We ALL need to be aware and know it could happen to any us. When it comes to these type batteries we all need to be cautious. Tube mods/APV's just hold little powerhouse batteries. We all have to know they can malfunction, and the key is what do you do when it happens? Have a plan and I think we need to learn from people it has happened to. bnrk
Thundercats if your buzz "exploded" im not sure you will be typing in a forum right now.... If your battery vented gas im sorry to say you didnt win the bet lol
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Red flag laden claim?? something you need to understand. You and several others want pictures and the exact batteries used(the e-bay listing number). The reason my attorney told me to keep my mouth shut was because I could be sued if I caused the battery company sales by makig false claims about their batteries. The batteries were not defective they were used in a manner that was not recommended. None the less I contacted the seller and he replaced my batteries. I'm sure buzzkill will confirm, I have not contacted him about replacing my buzz pro as I should not have used those batteries even though he said batteries would not explode in one of his mods due to all the protection that is built in. Unlike the guy from Colorado if I screw up I don't sue someone else for my mistakes.
I would be interested in collecting the $5,000 bet that buzzkill offered saying nobody from ECF cold explode batteries in a buzz pro though.
ok so then whats wrong with showing us the pic of the buzz pro that "exploded"?
It was NOT the buzz pro that exploded. The batteries exploded inside the buzz pro. The buzz pro is a quality made PV. It is batteries that are the problem. As buzzkill himself said there is not a mod made that can stop batteries from exploding/venting.
really right here it says it was damaged and that the end caps blew off all we want to see is pics of what happened to the apv. so why is that such a big deal? not pushing it on you or anything but along with the batteries we also wanted to see what kinda of damage it did to the unit itself. its stuff like that, that we can look at and improve on how it came apart.
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I was also gonna say he said the mod blew to pieces basically and then says above nothing happened to the mod .
With the provari one didnt the guy said he had it sitting in his center console in the sun .
My experience using li-ions ,i havent had one even vent in 7 years and more then 40 cells .I have also taken them down to 2.5v plenty of times and some pushed a lot of current in my high power flashlight mods especially my luminus sst-90 mods.
In these cases it could be the charger for all we know. Iv seen people use those cheap ebay chargers for 1.00 plenty of times here or Dx's and so on. We should really recomend people using good chargers if anything.
With the provari one didnt the guy said he had it sitting in his center console in the sun .
My experience using li-ions ,i havent had one even vent in 7 years and more then 40 cells .I have also taken them down to 2.5v plenty of times and some pushed a lot of current in my high power flashlight mods especially my luminus sst-90 mods.
In these cases it could be the charger for all we know. Iv seen people use those cheap ebay chargers for 1.00 plenty of times here or Dx's and so on. We should really recomend people using good chargers if anything.
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Str8, the OP in the provari thread said it was in a cupholder, nothing about it being in the sun.
Latent defect, battery dropped in transit, charger,... Multiple possibilities.
Latent defect, battery dropped in transit, charger,... Multiple possibilities.
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not being upfront to protect yourself from libel is understandable. But sugar coating a statement like 'the mod didn't blow up, it was the batteries' is just plain sillyness. Is there any mod, or even raw pipe from HomeDepot that will blow up on it's own?
Did the mod blow or not? Then consider the cause.
Did the mod blow or not? Then consider the cause.
Red flag laden claim?? something you need to understand. You and several others want pictures and the exact batteries used(the e-bay listing number). The reason my attorney told me to keep my mouth shut was because I could be sued if I caused the battery company sales by makig false claims about their batteries. The batteries were not defective they were used in a manner that was not recommended. None the less I contacted the seller and he replaced my batteries. I'm sure buzzkill will confirm, I have not contacted him about replacing my buzz pro as I should not have used those batteries even though he said batteries would not explode in one of his mods due to all the protection that is built in. Unlike the guy from Colorado if I screw up I don't sue someone else for my mistakes.
I would be interested in collecting the $5,000 bet that buzzkill offered saying nobody from ECF cold explode batteries in a buzz pro though.
Of course it was red flag laden. You come in here, in the middle of a thread about an APV blowing, and you drop a 1 paragraph statement about your APV blowing, from 1 of the safest vendors out there. Then when we ask for some proof and info for the greater good of all, you sit there and watch and dont say a thing for hours! Then after hours of speculation you come in and confirm the fact that you have lawyered up. Once again w a 1 line statement. What are we supposed to think?
Of course the seller replaced your batteries anybody that knows anything about Ebay knows why that is. Dont sit there on your high horse and act like you didnt start this war of words. Dont get me wrong, I stand by my original statement of I'm glad your ok. But I cant even imagine being in Buzzkill's shoes that night. The least you could of done was PM him and then he could of shut us all up without anybody getting sued! You contacted the wrong seller buddy!
If Buzzkill gets thrown out of here because of your actions that forced his emotion about his livelyhood, that is going to be your fault.
Number 1 I did not sit in the thread for hours. When I leave ECF I very seldom ever log out. I just go to other sites. I sometimes show being in threads for days on end.
As for Buzz being through out for being in this thread. Again I believe in people taking responsibility for theirown actions. I did not force him to post in this thread. In fact he had posted in this thread BEFORE I ever made my post. It is my understanding that suppliersare not suppose to post in thisaarea anyways.
As for me sending buzz a PM. That is a two way street!! He could have just as easily PM'd me and I would have responded to him. He did just like Steve did from Puresmoker he took the high ground with denials. You yourself said I had nothing to sue for. Buzz was the one who assumed I meant I was going to sue him and the battery manufacturer. My lawyer as I said was trying to keep ME from being sued.
I suppose its possible that you overlooked the fact that it appeared to all of us as if you were reading and choosing not to respond. With that said we will never know.
Your right you didnt force him to type literally. You only hung his entire livelyhood out in front of him and everyone else. I dont know any normal person who put in that position would of held back.
I did not say that you didnt have anything to sue for, I was the one who said you "lawyered up" and that was the reason for your silence.
His product gives him the right to take the highground. As far as I am aware, there is not another vendor out there that can make the same claim. Regarding safety.
I should not speak for anyone else, but, I think most of us assumed you meant him. Why else would you drop a 1 line sentence about a lawyer. You could of just as easily said that night what you just said first today.
Scarab, I am so sorry that Phil was injured. I can't imagine how difficult this has been for him, his family, and friends. You've been very kind to provide the community with information. Emotions run high when so much is at stake. As evidenced by this discussion, his accident has raised awareness among both consumers and suppliers, leading many of us to examine what can be done to improve both education and safety. Although I know that it doesn't change his situation, I hope it is some small comfort to you. I won't speculate if any supplier should bear some responsibility without having all the evidence, but I do wish you, Phil and his family the best.
Lets keep in mind were having 2 different discussions here. I am not referring to the guy who got hurt. My heart goes out to that couple. I am talking to/about the guy, Thundercat, who chimed in halfway thru this thread , and stated that he had a similar issue without any injury. He is the one that set this thread on fire and off course.
We really should of started a new thread so this didnt happen.
One more reason to give thundercat a big THANK YOU!
kwalka, I knew you were replying to Thundercat and his post on the Buzz. My post was not directed to yours at all. I wanted to step outside the battery discussion for a moment to express my sympathy. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
I understand, I also just wanted to make sure we were all on the same page. Its a horrible thing that happened. There is at least one good thing that has come out of this mess, we have effected a change in the way reputable vendors will move forward after June. Hopefully it will help slow down the rate that these incidents occur. If it saves 1 person it a success.
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